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4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits
    #23869177 - 11/26/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hi all,

I want to know from people who have used both 4-AcO and Shrooms, do you get the same incredible benefits days after (anti-depressant effects, positive outlook) from 4-AcO as you do Shrooms?

eg.. Shrooms are found to be a good PTSD treatment, what about 4-AcO?

Thanks for any input.


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: YeOlde]
    #23869208 - 11/26/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: YeOlde]
    #23869342 - 11/26/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It depends on the person. I have both right now and the after effects are the same for me. 4aco differs from person to person, for me it is a slightly lighter mindset with the same visual experience. For other people they see it as darker, some people see it as exactly identical, others think there's no comparison. 4aco dmt is a prodrug but it has activity on it's own, individual pharmacology varies, so the experience does. Overall I would say it has the same therapeutic potential, perhaps more because the doses are exact.


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23869832 - 11/26/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

XLCaps said:
others think there's no comparison.




That's funny


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: YeOlde]
    #23869857 - 11/26/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would say the effects of actual mushrooms are better than 4-aco, but I doubt that anyone could tell it apart in a double blind study. Still it's possible, and if so my money is definitely on mushrooms. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about mushrooms that I like more.


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23869925 - 11/26/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
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XLCaps said:
others think there's no comparison.




That's funny



I've seen it claimed. They're probably just super picky, or wanna be 'that guy.'


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23870410 - 11/26/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't mushrooms contain Bufotenine? Could that affect the trip?

For me 4-Aco-DMT is just about the same. I've noticed differences, maybe , but for me they're slight. Might have been just cause people told me there were supposed to be differences, so I saw some differences.

4-Aco-DMT = Maybe a slightly lighter headspace, maybe less mindfuck, but I still get the same intense spontaneous verbal activity that I get from Mushrooms. Where I just get the urge to talktalktalk and Sing/Chant the whole time. And that's why I love mushrooms and 4-Aco-DMT. So seeing as both of them trigger that, they're equal to me. And the visuals are intense on both.

I'd say they're just as equally therapeutic. If there are differences they aren't that big enough IMO to notice unless you took both of them a lot.


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23871086 - 11/27/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms are better, imo. It isn't just about psilocybin, it's about the combination of substances in the mushroom that gives the full effects. 4-aco is just an isolated chemical and thus I find it gives a different trip.


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: Tiamo]
    #23874360 - 11/28/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Appreciate all the answers but my question was specifically about the afterglow, therepeutic effect. Does 4-AcO have the same benefits?


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DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once)

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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Shrooms: The afterglow / Medicinal Benefits [Re: YeOlde]
    #23874683 - 11/28/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

4 aco dmt is essentially the extracted version of mushrooms. So yes the afterglow and experience should be very similar. 4 aco dmt is acelayted psilocin, mushrooms are phosphorlated psilocin, the acetyl group allows it to act faster, and produces more visionary deep states with less dosage than mushrooms.

4 aco dmt is more so closely related to Oral DMT than mushrooms in my opinion


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