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Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian?
    #23868031 - 11/26/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You know..when it comes down to it..i thought "who is more likely to be a dick and not tip their server...an atheist or a Christian"


Instantly i got my answer...and it is obviously the atheist. This is why atheism cannot replace Christianity in this country..for that simple reasoning.

It might be a silly way to look at things but its honest.

Dont be a dick and tip!!!



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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868056 - 11/26/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I had a friend who would never tip he was christan. I would only have a few bucks to throw down and id ask him to throw down and he says no fuck them. It was a real piss off. It happend twice and once was at a nice place.

But i agree an atheist is more likely to not tip.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23868064 - 11/26/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
I had a friend who would never tip he was christan. I would only have a few bucks to throw down and id ask him to throw down and he says no fuck them. It was a real piss off. It happend twice and once was at a nice place.

But i agree an atheist is more likely to not tip.





No shit huh? what an ass..i cant stand people who dont tip.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 5
    #23868065 - 11/26/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sure. "Pizza" everyone knows that's code for sex with children. He got paid $700 to bring children to a religious cult for some kind of satanic ritual. Nobody tips that much for an actual pizza (if there is such a thing.) somebody needs to find this guy and report him to the cops before he sells more kids. I don't even know why we aren't rounding up all these "pizza delivery guys." What about the children?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868067 - 11/26/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure. "Pizza" everyone knows that's code for sex with children. He got paid $700 to bring children to a religious cult for some kind of satanic ritual. Nobody tips that much for an actual pizza (if there is such a thing.) somebody needs to find this guy and report him to the cops before he sells more kids.





:lolsy:


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868068 - 11/26/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think religious views are such a small part of what may factor in to whether or not someone tips, if it's even relevant at all.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868072 - 11/26/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would think an atheist would be less likely to tip for the simple fact that they don't have to worry about a vengeful God punishing them for not doing so

A lot of atheists do believe in karma tho so I could be wrong I guess


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23868077 - 11/26/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I think religious views are such a small part of what may factor in to whether or not someone tips, if it's even relevant at all.





I agree but im just looking from the outside..

You have a Christian and an atheist. Who is more likely not to tip?

For some reason its the atheist. even though religious beliefs have nothing to do with this, its true though. The answer is the atheist.


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23868079 - 11/26/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would think an atheist would be less likely to tip for the simple fact that they don't have to worry about a vengeful God punishing them for not doing so

A lot of atheists do believe in karma tho so I could be wrong I guess





No i just think Christians tend to be nicer people for some reason.


:shrug:


they seem to be more fulfilled with a positive attitude towards life.


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #23868080 - 11/26/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What makes you think that atheists are less likely to trip? I would think that Christians, living a life where a vast part of their social world relies upon the acceptance of their religious community, would be more likely to avoid any kind of drug in order to be accepted.

Atheists, on the other hand, are not worried about eternal judgment and they probably don't care what a religious congregation thinks about them anyways.

From that perspective, it seems like an atheist would be more likely to trip.
Would they continue being an atheist after a few trips? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm sure that anyone who goes into a psychedelic experience with fixed and firm beliefs will have them challenged and maybe even thrown away at some point during their altered journey.



edit: :rofl: I really read this whole thread as 'who is less likely to trip' watched the video and wow


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23868088 - 11/26/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What makes you think that atheists are less likely to trip? I would think that Christians, living a life where a vast part of their social world relies upon the acceptance of their religious community, would be more likely to avoid any kind of drug in order to be accepted.

Atheists, on the other hand, are not worried about eternal judgment and they probably don't care what a religious congregation thinks about them anyways.

From that perspective, it seems like an atheist would be more likely to trip.
Would they continue being an atheist after a few trips? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm sure that anyone who goes into a psychedelic experience with fixed and firm beliefs will have them challenged and maybe even thrown away at some point during their altered journey.





You know...you say christians are worried about eternal judgement and all that...but most of the ones i meet are focused more on jesus and how they were "saved" moreso than fear of going to hell.


im not saying all this to stick up for the Christians...i am saying this all based on my judgements of how each atheist and christains act.


I am jealous of these Christians because they truly seem happy. Whether its based on ignorance or something real is irrelevant. The point is..they are truly HAPPY. Atheists seem to be on the other end of the spectrum.


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23868089 - 11/26/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Chakra Shock said:
What makes you think that atheists are less likely to trip? I would think that Christians, living a life where a vast part of their social world relies upon the acceptance of their religious community, would be more likely to avoid any kind of drug in order to be accepted.

Atheists, on the other hand, are not worried about eternal judgment and they probably don't care what a religious congregation thinks about them anyways.

From that perspective, it seems like an atheist would be more likely to trip.
Would they continue being an atheist after a few trips? Maybe, maybe not, but I'm sure that anyone who goes into a psychedelic experience with fixed and firm beliefs will have them challenged and maybe even thrown away at some point during their altered journey.



edit: :rofl: I really read this whole thread as 'who is less likely to trip' watched the video and wow



:ahahaha:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #23868095 - 11/26/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In a lot of ways I totally agree. I think people who have found some guidance from mystical and holy books, the teachers from that tradition, and even the communities around them, tend to have genuine compassion and a higher capacity for appreciation and therefore happiness.

I think there are people out there who are also genuinely happy who simply do not believe in religion whatsoever, but you're right, most christians are not worried about eternal judgment, it's more about how you're living your life.

I also read this thread as though it was about tripping, though, so take my post with a grain of salt haha


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868096 - 11/26/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

how many drug addicted Christians do you see? not many. How many depressed Christians do you see? Not many.

So for all the atheists who judge these people...all i gotta say is...maybe you should be more like them :shrug:

i dont consider myself a Christian or an Atheist but i do wish i had the "soul" of a Christian moreso an atheist.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868100 - 11/26/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah dude, kindness all the way. A buddhist monk in the Himalayas watching the sunrise, get them on the big speaker to speak to all of humanity. I just try not to form prevarications based on someone's beliefs. It takes all kinds.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868143 - 11/26/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno but the way things are set up with tipping is stupid. It should be the employer paying the employee, rather than the employee having to rely on the good will of customers (who are subject only to a social obligation, not a legal one, to tip) in order to get fully compensated for their work. If the employer wants to build in a performance bonus then great, but they should pay them their wages out of the menu price of the food, which isn't negotiable by the customer.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Chakra Shock] * 1
    #23868157 - 11/26/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The conservative christians I know  are cheap bastards. I tip way more than they do.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi]
    #23868159 - 11/26/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Overall, the states in which people gave the highest percentage of their adjusted gross incomes were also states that voted for Romney, while states in which people gave the lowest percentage of their adjusted gross income went for Obama. The top 17 states for rate of giving all went for Romney.




liberals definitely give less, are they more likely to be atheist?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868161 - 11/26/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is old people.  They are the worst tippers.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi]
    #23868166 - 11/26/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I dunno but the way things are set up with tipping is stupid. It should be the employer paying the employee, rather than the employee having to rely on the good will of customers (who are subject only to a social obligation, not a legal one, to tip) in order to get fully compensated for their work. If the employer wants to build in a performance bonus then great, but they should pay them their wages out of the menu price of the food, which isn't negotiable by the customer.




What else is fucked up is those wages are taxed, I always tip in cash, that way the waitress at least has a chance of keeping more of her hard earned money,


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23868184 - 11/26/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's just too hard to lump people together in a category like this.  Both sides have bad people and good people I think it would depend more on upbringing and their moral code.  There's just so many different people that are atheists and christians.  I really can't think of one thing that would bring someone to tip or not just on a religious view.  There seems like there is just too many variables.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: DTCharlieB] * 1
    #23868236 - 11/26/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What does a priest and Walmart have in common?


Little boys underwear half off...:lol:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868253 - 11/26/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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how many drug addicted Christians do you see? not many. How many depressed Christians do you see? Not many.




Tons dude, haven't you noticed that's the reason that NA and AA have those prayers in their meetings?

Similar to how gangbangers in jail are always wearing crosses on their neck and praising Jesus and shit...


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23868267 - 11/26/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Overall, the states in which people gave the highest percentage of their adjusted gross incomes were also states that voted for Romney, while states in which people gave the lowest percentage of their adjusted gross income went for Obama. The top 17 states for rate of giving all went for Romney.




liberals definitely give less, are they more likely to be atheist?




When you post data like that, please include the source. Too much unsourced shit going around these days.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868300 - 11/26/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some Christians like to leave Christian propaganda as a tip.  Yes, Jesus will pay your bills.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868302 - 11/26/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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liberals definitely give less, are they more likely to be atheist?




When you post data like that, please include the source. Too much unsourced shit going around these days.




Actually I would think conservatives are cheaper tippers, since the whole term "conservative" sort of implies that you're going to be more frugal with money. They're also the types that are more likely to say "if you don't like it, get a real job" and "stop asking for handouts" in regards to people who rely on tips for a living.

Remember when Les Moonves stiffed the valet because he "only had $100 bills?" :lol: And this motherfucker was on CAMERA too when he did this shit, he didn't even try to ask the valet if he has change for $100 to save face! :lol:
http://pagesix.com/2015/06/01/les-moonves-stiffs-valet-because-he-doesnt-have-small-bills/

I actually think people from lower to middle socioeconomic backgrounds are more likely to be better tippers. People have ran a lot of these social experiments where they put a homeless person in a working class neighborhood like Long Beach, and then in Beverly Hills. People in Long Beach were far more likely to give $10 or some food to the homeless, whereas people in Beverly Hills were more likely to be assholes and say "get a job."

There's something about being poor or struggling that really humbles you and allows you to have more empathy for other people in your situation.



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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868337 - 11/26/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I worked in the service industry for most of my life, and I really have no answer to this question because it's impossible to tell if a person is Christian or Atheist just from serving them.

:shrug:

I will say that for the last 4 years that I lived in NYC I worked the coat check of a very prominent music venue and the best tippers by a long shot were metal heads.

After almost 20 years in the business I can definitely say that it always felt as though, for the most part, those who had the least gave the most.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868467 - 11/26/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

white christians are the biggest freeloaders you'll ever meet


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: yeah]
    #23868501 - 11/26/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The tip I got from my priest ended up being bigger than I expected.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868531 - 11/26/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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Overall, the states in which people gave the highest percentage of their adjusted gross incomes were also states that voted for Romney, while states in which people gave the lowest percentage of their adjusted gross income went for Obama. The top 17 states for rate of giving all went for Romney.




liberals definitely give less, are they more likely to be atheist?




When you post data like that, please include the source. Too much unsourced shit going around these days.




Sorry, I forgot you don't know how to use google

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/republicans-most-generous-people-in-the-world-democrats-not-so-much


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868543 - 11/26/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno, I don't know many Christians but most people I know tip (id say most are agnostic with a few atheists) so my anecdotal evidence is not very conclusive... I don't think I know anyone who doesn't tip actually, period


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23868546 - 11/26/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry, I forgot you don't know how to use google

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/republicans-most-generous-people-in-the-world-democrats-not-so-much




Your own link says that is for charity, not tipping.

And the only reason for that is because in Christianity people donate money to the collections jar that circulates in the church.

People who don't attend service obviously, don't put money into the collections jar.

Not only that, but apparently if you EXCLUDE religious donations, then it turns out liberals are slightly more generous.

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According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23868547 - 11/26/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

An atheist is not only more likely not to tip, but also more likely to lie about it and claim they always tip. (Also applies to liberals)


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23868555 - 11/26/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sorry, I forgot you don't know how to use google

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/republicans-most-generous-people-in-the-world-democrats-not-so-much




Your own link says that is for charity, not tipping.

And the only reason for that is because in Christianity people donate money to the collections jar that circulates in the church.

People who don't attend service obviously, don't put money into the collections jar.

Not only that, but apparently if you EXCLUDE religious donations, then it turns out liberals are slightly more generous.

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According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html





So only if you exclude a major portion of charitable giving, then libs give about the same. Got it :thumbup:

***talk about fixing numbers to suit their agenda...:facepalm:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23868559 - 11/26/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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An atheist is not only more likely not to tip, but also more likely to lie about it and claim they always tip. (Also applies to liberals)



:rolleyes:
pray tell how do you 'know' this 'fact'? I could assert republicans lie about tipping, or jews, or christians, or americans... you need something to back that up bucko  :tardpig:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23868561 - 11/26/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
if you EXCLUDE religious donations, then it turns out liberals are slightly more generous.




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According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.




That would suggest conservatives are more generous... if they give a higher percentage of their income.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23868571 - 11/26/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Christians just leave those fucking chick tracts or say some rude shit like here's a tip: GET A BETTER JOB.

That video was like Christianity in reverse. What they really do is offer nothing and expect people to just give them money. They call it passing the plate.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23868599 - 11/26/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So churches pass around a plate full of money for Christians to take from before passing it on?

FYI - I don't go to church, so I'm not really all that intimately familiar with this churchianity stuff.


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    #23868612 - 11/26/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The tip I got from my priest ended up being bigger than I expected.





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    #23868619 - 11/26/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.


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So churches pass around a plate full of money for Christians to take from before passing it on?

FYI - I don't go to church, so I'm not really all that intimately familiar with this churchianity stuff.



No christians put money in the plate to pay the pastor's salary.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23868625 - 11/26/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So only if you exclude a major portion of charitable giving, then libs give about the same. Got it :thumbup:

***talk about fixing numbers to suit their agenda...:facepalm:




LOL, you want to talk about fixing numbers to suit a political agenda? This has everything to do with RELIGIOUS affiliation. It just so happens that people who are devoutly religious and therefore give 10% of their earnings to charity are more likely to vote Republican. That's literally the only reason for these findings.

It has NOTHING to do with political affiliation, it's more to do with religious affiliation and it just so happens that religion correlates with one political party.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: King Klick] * 2
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Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
So churches pass around a plate full of money for Christians to take from before passing it on?

FYI - I don't go to church, so I'm not really all that intimately familiar with this churchianity stuff.



No christians put money in the plate to pay the pastor's salary.




And the settlements with abuse victims


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23868636 - 11/26/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
An atheist is not only more likely not to tip, but also more likely to lie about it and claim they always tip. (Also applies to liberals)



:rolleyes:
pray tell how do you 'know' this 'fact'? I could assert republicans lie about tipping, or jews, or christians, or americans... you need something to back that up bucko  :tardpig:




Because he makes false assumptions all the time.

Just in another thread he was claiming that only Democrats and fake Republicans who are really Democrats deep down are guilty of pedohilia :rolleyes:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23868640 - 11/26/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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hostileuniverse said:
So only if you exclude a major portion of charitable giving, then libs give about the same. Got it :thumbup:

***talk about fixing numbers to suit their agenda...:facepalm:




LOL, you want to talk about fixing numbers to suit a political agenda? This has everything to do with RELIGIOUS affiliation. It just so happens that people who are devoutly religious and therefore give 10% of their earnings to charity are more likely to vote Republican. That's literally the only reason for these findings.

It has NOTHING to do with political affiliation, it's more to do with religious affiliation and it just so happens that religion correlates with one political party.




Religions aren't a real charity anyways. They're a business.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23868643 - 11/26/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23868648 - 11/26/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

Ezuma said:
Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
An atheist is not only more likely not to tip, but also more likely to lie about it and claim they always tip. (Also applies to liberals)



:rolleyes:
pray tell how do you 'know' this 'fact'? I could assert republicans lie about tipping, or jews, or christians, or americans... you need something to back that up bucko  :tardpig:




Because he makes false assumptions all the time.

Just in another thread he was claiming that only Democrats and fake Republicans who are really Democrats deep down are guilty of pedohilia :rolleyes:




And nazis were leftists.

Peyote Zen isn't terribly encumbered by the truth.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868661 - 11/26/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Are you saying the Nazis were right? Ha! Shows what you know.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23868662 - 11/26/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Crystal G said:
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hostileuniverse said:
So only if you exclude a major portion of charitable giving, then libs give about the same. Got it :thumbup:

***talk about fixing numbers to suit their agenda...:facepalm:




LOL, you want to talk about fixing numbers to suit a political agenda? This has everything to do with RELIGIOUS affiliation. It just so happens that people who are devoutly religious and therefore give 10% of their earnings to charity are more likely to vote Republican. That's literally the only reason for these findings.

It has NOTHING to do with political affiliation, it's more to do with religious affiliation and it just so happens that religion correlates with one political party.




Religions aren't a real charity anyways. They're a business.



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Crystal G said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.




The vast majority of religions and churches aren't run like that, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative,

Churches have raised alot of money and done alot of good for the people of Haiti

What the fuck have liberals done? Demanded that government do someThing with tax payer money, what a bunch of douchebags


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23868684 - 11/26/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.




Wow

I bet he's even happier than that pizza guy.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23868702 - 11/26/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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koods said:
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Crystal G said:
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So only if you exclude a major portion of charitable giving, then libs give about the same. Got it :thumbup:

***talk about fixing numbers to suit their agenda...:facepalm:




LOL, you want to talk about fixing numbers to suit a political agenda? This has everything to do with RELIGIOUS affiliation. It just so happens that people who are devoutly religious and therefore give 10% of their earnings to charity are more likely to vote Republican. That's literally the only reason for these findings.

It has NOTHING to do with political affiliation, it's more to do with religious affiliation and it just so happens that religion correlates with one political party.




Religions aren't a real charity anyways. They're a business.



Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.




The vast majority of religions and churches aren't run like that, but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative,

Churches have raised alot of money and done alot of good for the people of Haiti

What the fuck have liberals done? Demanded that government do someThing with tax payer money, what a bunch of douchebags




Go back to before the slave revolt that Haiti was founded on and you'll learn that every second of human suffering that has occurred in Haiti is rooted in Christianity.


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    #23868706 - 11/26/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.




Wow

I bet he's even happier than that pizza guy.




Pizza guy probably spent it all on dope. The last thing a guy who's trying to stay clean needs is a huge influx of cash. Those church people probably killed him.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23868722 - 11/26/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you saying the Nazis were right? Ha! Shows what you know.



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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: koods]
    #23868724 - 11/26/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Pizza guy probably spent it all on dope. The last thing a guy who's trying to stay clean needs is a huge influx of cash. Those church people probably killed him.




That's exactly what I was thinking. When I saw the beginning of the video I was wondering why dude looks so fucked up with sunken eyes like he was a junkie or something. Then mentioned trying to stay clean and that pretty much explained it.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23868730 - 11/26/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you saying the Nazis were right? Ha! Shows what you know.




You really think authoritarianism and fascism are left-wing principles? :facepalm: :rofl:

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23868731 - 11/26/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He had that Seattle junkie thing going big as shit.


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koods said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
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Crystal G said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
It's a heirarchy where the little bitty Christians give all the can to the super Christians. There's actually an entire industry built around it called televangelism. They do it on TV. They use all the money they make to buy mansions and hang out in Hawaii. And they're like yep god wants it like this give me your pensions. You can google it.




I was reading that one of those televangelist pastors, Kenneth Copeland, makes like $750 million a year or something.




Wow

I bet he's even happier than that pizza guy.




Pizza guy probably spent it all on dope. The last thing a guy who's trying to stay clean needs is a huge influx of cash. Those church people probably killed him.



He was ecstatic because he wouldn't have to suck old wrinkly dick for a bag of dope.


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    #23868842 - 11/26/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You know..when it comes down to it..i thought "who is more likely to be a dick and not tip their server...an atheist or a Christian"


Instantly i got my answer...and it is obviously the atheist. This is why atheism cannot replace Christianity in this country..for that simple reasoning.

It might be a silly way to look at things but its honest.

Dont be a dick and tip!!!






lol... they gave $700 in cash to a junkie, hahaha. they've destroyed the man

your lefty, liberal, pro christian propaganda doesnt work in real life, a church
trying to buy someone's soul isnt the same as the general population of folks,
if you hit the denny's, ihop or waffle house on a sunday morning and ask the
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23868849 - 11/26/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why can't you write in straight lines? Is it some sort of disability?

Black people in general are to worst tippers and they're almost always Jesusy too


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #23868950 - 11/26/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why can't you write in straight lines? Is it some sort of disability?





My guess is whatever device he posts with isnt correctly formatted with the shroomery code

***pretty sure he's not just hitting "return" every 5-7 words, but I could be wrong:shrug:


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    #23868953 - 11/26/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He's a columnist.


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    #23868960 - 11/26/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why can't you write in straight lines? Is it some sort of disability?





My guess is whatever device he posts with isnt correctly formatted with the shroomery code

***pretty sure he's not just hitting "return" every 5-7 words, but I could be wrong:shrug:




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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23868963 - 11/26/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You know..when it comes down to it..i thought "who is more likely to be a dick and not tip their server...an atheist or a Christian"


Instantly i got my answer...and it is obviously the atheist. This is why atheism cannot replace Christianity in this country..for that simple reasoning.

It might be a silly way to look at things but its honest.

Dont be a dick and tip!!!




if you hit the denny's, ihop or waffle house on a sunday morning and ask the
waitresses whoe the worst tippers are they will tell you it's the folks getting
out of church, all those christians figure that if they're giving their 10% to
god that they dont have to tip




Or it could be they are poorer and have less to tip :shrug:

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23868967 - 11/26/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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Why can't you write in straight lines? Is it some sort of disability?





My guess is whatever device he posts with isnt correctly formatted with the shroomery code

***pretty sure he's not just hitting "return" every 5-7 words, but I could be wrong:shrug:




You're wrong.




Care to elaborate ?

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23868968 - 11/26/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Making the post box smaller doesn't do that, he goes out of his way to make those posts like that.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23869192 - 11/26/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
You know..when it comes down to it..i thought "who is more likely to be a dick and not tip their server...an atheist or a Christian"


Instantly i got my answer...and it is obviously the atheist. This is why atheism cannot replace Christianity in this country..for that simple reasoning.

It might be a silly way to look at things but its honest.

Dont be a dick and tip!!!






lol... they gave $700 in cash to a junkie, hahaha. they've destroyed the man

your lefty, liberal, pro christian propaganda doesnt work in real life, a church
trying to buy someone's soul isnt the same as the general population of folks,
if you hit the denny's, ihop or waffle house on a sunday morning and ask the
waitresses whoe the worst tippers are they will tell you it's the folks getting
out of church, all those christians figure that if they're giving their 10% to
god that they dont have to tip





I just cant help but laugh at how you describe me as some lefty liberal who spreads christian propaganda just because i notice that atheist are more likely to not tip well.

they dont tip well because they always think the world is against them and that they need every penny they can get...but think whatever you want.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23869225 - 11/26/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Christians are generally nicer people, superfluously, ie, on the surface. they are being watched by God, afterall.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23869231 - 11/26/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I just cant help but laugh at how you describe me as some lefty liberal who spreads christian propaganda just because i notice that atheist are more likely to not tip well.

they dont tip well because they always think the world is against them and that they need every penny they can get...but think whatever you want.




Aside from obvious clues like wearing crucifixes, how do you know when somebody is atheist or not when they dine at an establishment?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23869239 - 11/26/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

when they start flinging shit at the patrons and themselves, of course.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23869253 - 11/26/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think religion is an accurate predictor of tipping level. I'm an 'atheist' and tip pretty well in all situations. I've known plenty of athiests and Christians alike to be shitty tippers and good tippers alike.

I usually tip like 20 percent. Have never been church going. Tipping is a garbage system regardless that allows restaurants, casinos and bars to offset the cost of paying people a real wage anyway, I don't know why anyone does it beyond dumb habit.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23869491 - 11/26/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
You know..when it comes down to it..i thought "who is more likely to be a dick and not tip their server...an atheist or a Christian"


Instantly i got my answer...and it is obviously the atheist. This is why atheism cannot replace Christianity in this country..for that simple reasoning.

It might be a silly way to look at things but its honest.

Dont be a dick and tip!!!






lol... they gave $700 in cash to a junkie, hahaha. they've destroyed the man

your lefty, liberal, pro christian propaganda doesnt work in real life, a church
trying to buy someone's soul isnt the same as the general population of folks,
if you hit the denny's, ihop or waffle house on a sunday morning and ask the
waitresses whoe the worst tippers are they will tell you it's the folks getting
out of church, all those christians figure that if they're giving their 10% to
god that they dont have to tip





I just cant help but laugh at how you describe me as some lefty liberal who spreads christian propaganda just because i notice that atheist are more likely to not tip well.

they dont tip well because they always think the world is against them and that they need every penny they can get...but think whatever you want.




you're relying on a single video which was probably completely fake anyway as your
evidence, how about posting hundreds of video of these christians tipping hundreds
of dollars to the pizza guy... oh yeah, you cant because it only happens when
they're on some self gratification mission to prove they're worthy of heaven

yes billy boy, even christians realize they're horrible tippers and having worked
in the industry and having had to work those dunday morning church crowds, I'm
pretty fucking sure I have a better idea that someone such as yourself who never
worked and went straight from mom's apron strings to the methadone clinic

http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2013/january/why-are-christians-such-bad-tippers.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/sundays-are-the-worst-christian-tipping_n_4934418.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tennessee-church-christians-horrible-tippers-article-1.1715155

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/11/17/so-how-badly-do-christians-tip-anyway/

http://thomrainer.com/2015/05/seven-concerns-about-christians-and-tipping/

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23869506 - 11/26/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I just cant help but laugh at how you describe me as some lefty liberal who spreads christian propaganda just because i notice that atheist are more likely to not tip well.

they dont tip well because they always think the world is against them and that they need every penny they can get...but think whatever you want.




Aside from obvious clues like wearing crucifixes, how do you know when somebody is atheist or not when they dine at an establishment?




it's easy, they leave shit like this on the table in lieu of a tip which shows
that they were well aware of exactly what they were doing and like complete
fucking asshats they got someone's hopes up only to make them feel like shit as if
they had done something wrong






the worst are the ones that love to lecture you on a tip line, "I give jesus 10%,
why do you think you deserve more" and then forego tipping altogether



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    #23869537 - 11/26/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

LOL that's fucked.


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    #23869550 - 11/26/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

SATAN ALSO DECEIVES.... and apparently jesus saves because he dont fucking tip


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    #23869584 - 11/26/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh so you know for a fact atheists tip better because im on methadone...makes a ton of sense there, pal :rolleyes:


you have this inability to step back and look at the bigger picture of things. You use ridiculous examples of christians in your head and seem to think they are all like that. You do this with the "libtards" as well. I thank God i dont think like you do


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23869597 - 11/26/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You use ridiculous examples of christians in your head and seem to think they are all like that.




I didnt use ridiculous examples, I used typical examples, there wouldnt be hundreds
of articles by christians telling other christians that they set bad examples
because they refuse to tip, would you like to show us the atheists doing the same?


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You do this with the "libtards" as well.




you're the one using libtard so much, not me

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23869619 - 11/26/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You use ridiculous examples of christians in your head and seem to think they are all like that.




I didnt use ridiculous examples, I used typical examples, there wouldnt be hundreds
of articles by christians telling other christians that they set bad examples
because they refuse to tip, would you like to show us the atheists doing the same?


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You do this with the "libtards" as well.




you're the one using libtard so much, not me

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I thank God i dont think like you do




you mean you dont think christians can be fallible?





im not talking about articles. i am talking about the random stereotypical atheist vs the random stereotypical Christian. I believe the christian will tip better. Im not talking about a benny hinn freak im talking about a regular church-going christian. They do exist, ya know.

christians are/can be extremely fallible. But you would be crazy not to realize a sense of inner peace that most seem to have. I was "raised" christian and i hopped off that wagon when i was 15 but the honesty in me is regretting it since so many of them seem to truly love life and others.

With that said, of course there are tons of christians that live in fear and ignorance and judge others and live miserable lives. but more than half of them seem to be much happier than atheists or even someone like me who does believe in something "higher" but does not cling to a religion.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23869786 - 11/26/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I completely agree with the 10%\18% thing though, why in the fuck is an automatic 18% tip figured into the bill? That's fucked

I always tip about 20% but for some one to assume they worth such a tip is insulting, I'd prolly tip  nothing too explcept without the lecture :shrug:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23869800 - 11/26/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I completely agree with the 10%\18% thing though, why in the fuck is an automatic 18% tip figured into the bill? That's fucked




Some restaurants have started doing that, because there have been too many repetitive cases of people not tipping.

For example large parties seating more 8 people or more will add an automatic gratuity to the bill, that's usually because when 1 person is paying for that many people they realize just how much their check is at the end and end up stiffing the server or paying them like 2% on the bill to save money.

Or for restaurants that are tourist attractions, they have started adding an automatic gratuity since foreigners are unaware of just what percentage to tip, and often undertip.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23869861 - 11/26/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And that's BS. Because tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service, and if the service is shitty, I shouldn't be expected to tip a shitty waitress


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23869890 - 11/26/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not really, tipping large might be a reward for good service, but tipping as a custom is pretty much considered standard now in the USA. You do it even if the service is subpar, you simply tip less than 15% and might only tip 5-10% or whatever depending on how bad the service was.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23869893 - 11/26/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And that's BS. Because tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service, and if the service is shitty, I shouldn't be expected to tip a shitty waitress




Trust me, the type of places that have a mandatory 18% gratuity are not the types of places that hire shitty staff. This isn't Denny's or some run of the mill diner, it's usually nice restaurants that do this.

If you really dislike the service, then you can complain to the manager about it and they will remove that gratuity for you so you can put your own dollar amount in there.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23869922 - 11/26/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Not really, tipping large might be a reward for good service, but tipping as a custom is pretty much considered standard now in the USA. You do it even if the service is subpar, you simply tip less than 15% and might only tip 5-10% or whatever depending on how bad the service was.




The custom is that because waitresses are paid 3/hr, they rely on tips, which is fine, I know a waitress who can pull in over an extra couple 100 a day, because she's a kickass waitres

Once again,  common sense should prevail

I get subpar service, you get no tip

***and fuck reporting to govt, even when I pay by card, I always tip in cash, for that very reason


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23869928 - 11/26/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I get subpar service, you get no tip




I can't really think of a time where I ever got bad service, now that I think about it. I've gotten a couple of snobby and snooty pretentious waiters, especially in fine dining Italian and French restaurants, but at least they still do their job promptly.

People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.


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    #23869931 - 11/26/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And that's BS. Because tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service, and if the service is shitty, I shouldn't be expected to tip a shitty waitress




Trust me, the type of places that have a mandatory 18% gratuity are not the types of places that hire shitty staff. This isn't Denny's or some run of the mill diner, it's usually nice restaurants that do this.

If you really dislike the service, then you can complain to the manager about it and they will remove that gratuity for you so you can put your own dollar amount in there.




:facepalm:

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    #23869940 - 11/26/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I get subpar service, you get no tip




I can't really think of a time where I ever got bad service, now that I think about it. I've gotten a couple of snobby and snooty pretentious waiters, especially in fine dining Italian and French restaurants, but at least they still do their job promptly.

People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.




I can see a snobby waiter not getting tipped as well, I don't eat at a fine restaurant to be treated like shit either

And no, I don't take Shitty food out on the waitress, it's a "service" tip, that is all


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23869943 - 11/26/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.



Oh but it is. You see, if the server can't rally the cooks to get food out on time, it probably means they aren't splitting tips well enough with their cook staff, bringing them chocolate on the holidays, or serving their employees extra strong drinks when they get off. Ineffective servers are bad at restaurant politics. Waiters and waitresses need to wheel and deal if they want that food to come out good. :stoned:


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    #23869988 - 11/26/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If they don't like their job they can go get one of those trump factory jobs that will be flowing in.


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    #23870006 - 11/26/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If they don't like their job they can go get one of those trump factory jobs that will be flowing in.




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    #23870049 - 11/26/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If they don't like their job they can go get one of those trump factory jobs that will be flowing in.





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    #23870085 - 11/26/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And that's BS. Because tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service, and if the service is shitty, I shouldn't be expected to tip a shitty waitress





I think this post proves me right


You should tip no matter what. Very rarely will service be so horrible a tip isnt warranted


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23870126 - 11/26/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
And that's BS. Because tipping is supposed to be a reward for good service, and if the service is shitty, I shouldn't be expected to tip a shitty waitress





I think this post proves me right


You should tip no matter what. Very rarely will service be so horrible a tip isnt warranted



Pretty sure hostile universe is God fearing Christian though, and Crystal is a degenerate athiest heathen. Your original point is moot if that's the case.


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    #23870142 - 11/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Being totally honest here.  Most of my religious friends will get pissed off at me at how much I tip.  Like seriously I feel I have to keep an eye on them to make sure they don't take the money off the table when I walk away.  It's not even because they're broke is the worst part, it's like some perverted sense of righteousness where it is wrong to be generous.  Never really made sense to me but I'm always just like :shrug: was just gonna spend it on crack anyway.


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    #23870197 - 11/26/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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im not talking about articles. i am talking about the random stereotypical atheist vs the random stereotypical Christian. I believe the christian will tip better.





the evidence says otherwise but I guess when you take what the bible says about
believing in something with all your heart that surely must make it true

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christians are/can be extremely fallible. But you would be crazy not to realize a sense of inner peace that most seem to have.





they probably get all that inner piece by leaving those fucking 'money' tracts on
the table and laughing about it all the way home before cracking open that sunday
beer before getting liquored up enough to take it in the ass by their wife with a
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With that said, of course there are tons of christians that live in fear and ignorance and judge others and live miserable lives. but more than half of them seem to be much happier than atheists or even someone like me who does believe in something "higher" but does not cling to a religion.




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    #23870230 - 11/26/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I completely agree with the 10%\18% thing though, why in the fuck is an automatic 18% tip figured into the bill? That's fucked




it was a party of 10, most restaurants when you exceed 6 guests will automatically
add a gratuity because it does cause a disruption of normal service, they have to
pull tables together, it puts a much larger load on the waitron units which also
pulls them away from the other customers they also have to serve


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I always tip about 20% but for some one to assume they worth such a tip is insulting, I'd prolly tip  nothing too explcept without the lecture :shrug:




if you dont agree with the system sit as 2 tables and tip based on service, or
simply dont go out to eat. I'm a very generous tipper. I start at the 20% range
and the tip can go up or down depending on the service, it's rarely reduced and
frequently increased and in order for me to stiff you, you'd have to be
exceptionally inattentive, if I see you giving great service to other customers
while ignoring my table... you'll get a heart felt and personal, face to face
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    #23870232 - 11/26/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just for the record, I don't identify as atheist I'm fagnostic.


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    #23870239 - 11/26/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just for the record, I don't identify as atheist I'm fagnostic.




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    #23870252 - 11/26/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Christbabies don't believe in tipping or welfare because they believe you should rely on the church for handouts.


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    #23870264 - 11/26/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Really they seem to have some notion that someone's lot in life is tied to their spiritual well being, but the catch in their logic to me is that they associate this with material well-being.  I can identify with the ascetic side of Jesus where such things shouldn't matter, and be given freely, but we're all human and like those things.  It's just a nice thing to give someone a couple bucks.  If you can't afford a tip, cook your own food.  If you can afford it and you don't tip, you're an asshole.  I don't need a priest to tell me that.


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    #23870285 - 11/26/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
I completely agree with the 10%\18% thing though, why in the fuck is an automatic 18% tip figured into the bill? That's fucked




it was a party of 10, most restaurants when you exceed 6 guests will automatically
add a gratuity because it does cause a disruption of normal service, they have to
pull tables together, it puts a much larger load on the waitron units which also
pulls them away from the other customers they also have to serve


Quote:

I always tip about 20% but for some one to assume they worth such a tip is insulting, I'd prolly tip  nothing too explcept without the lecture :shrug:




if you dont agree with the system sit as 2 tables and tip based on service, or
simply dont go out to eat. I'm a very generous tipper. I start at the 20% range
and the tip can go up or down depending on the service, it's rarely reduced and
frequently increased and in order for me to stiff you, you'd have to be
exceptionally inattentive, if I see you giving great service to other customers
while ignoring my table... you'll get a heart felt and personal, face to face
explanation as to why you're not getting tipped




I'm an awesome tipper as well, give me good service and I'll give you a good tip, starting at 20% as well, that said, I don't think i should be expected to pay 18% if I'm only used to paying 10-15%, if pulling tables together is really that big of a deal the restaurant should just refuse to do it or add an "inconvenience charge" I refuse to accept that I have to leave a good tip, whether I'm out with my family or not, for Shitty service :shrug:

And I'm not gonna give you "a little lecture" about your not getting a tip if you're a shitty server, you're an adult, if you suck at your job, you prolly know it :lol:


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    #23870306 - 11/26/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody who is actually a good tipper cares about percents.  That is the stuff of cheapskates who pat themselves on the back for giving a half decent tip for excellent service.


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    #23870313 - 11/26/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Nobody who is actually a good tipper cares about percents.  That is the stuff of cheapskates who pat themselves on the back for giving a half decent tip for excellent service.




Example: "I'm such a great tipper, I don't use percents":cookiemonster:

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23870341 - 11/26/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what all this about 'excellent service' is. The waiter/waitress carries a cup full of sugar water to your table, copies down your order (sometimes in pencil even, those clever folk), and walks food to your table. Beyond that, their job is basically to not spill soup on you and to not be a total bitch or dick hole. If we're tipping for superior service alone, I think our standards are too low as it means everyone is over tipping.

I have waited and bar tended before. Any time a waiter/waitress bitches about how hard their job is I assume it's to create some form of self validation for not curing cancer or taking care of the elderly for their money instead. It's literally one of the simplest jobs on the entire planet and most of the stress involved is completely self-induced.

I still tip though, and I tip well. It's because I'm fucking retarded though, not because it's the right thing to do.


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    #23870347 - 11/26/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't.  I give what I can and I assure you that 18% is stingy by my metric.  I prefer fractions anyway.  1/3 is about right, but really it depends on alot of things.  If I spend $100 at a fancy restraunt I will give the same $25 that I would give a waitress at Denny's who served a $40 meal.  I'm may not be a Christian but I am a communist.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23870348 - 11/26/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I have waited and bar tended before. Any time a waiter/waitress bitches about how hard their job is I assume it's to create some form of self validation for not curing cancer or taking care of the elderly for their money instead. It's literally one of the simplest jobs on the entire planet and most of the stress involved is completely self-induced.




I agree, serving is one of the easiest jobs I've ever had. Anybody who bitches about it being hard hasn't had a real job. Retail is harder. Office work is harder. Sales is harder. Teaching is harder. Advertising is harder. Non-profit work is harder. There's a million other jobs that are way harder.

With that said, you should also know there's a lot more to serving than simply bringing food and drinks to a table.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23870365 - 11/26/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're right, it's really not that hard,

Be friendly, attentive, and don't let my food get cold

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    #23870375 - 11/26/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
I have waited and bar tended before. Any time a waiter/waitress bitches about how hard their job is I assume it's to create some form of self validation for not curing cancer or taking care of the elderly for their money instead. It's literally one of the simplest jobs on the entire planet and most of the stress involved is completely self-induced.




I agree, serving is one of the easiest jobs I've ever had. Anybody who bitches about it being hard hasn't had a real job. Retail is harder. Office work is harder. Sales is harder. Teaching is harder. Advertising is harder. Non-profit work is harder. There's a million other jobs that are way harder.

With that said, you should also know there's a lot more to serving than simply bringing food and drinks to a table.




I have never worked a harder job than serving.  Literally made me hate myself and everyone else.  I have respect for those folks and what they do, and think they deserve what I give them and more.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23870393 - 11/26/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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With that said, you should also know there's a lot more to serving than simply bringing food and drinks to a table.



I'm being a tad facetious, but it's about the gist really. Serving is one of the best no education required, minimum wage jobs you can have. Unless you're working at a spot like golden corral or something, it beats the hell out of places like McDonald's which don't get tipped at all. Working decent restaurants will net you plenty of cash. I made around 38k one year working at a slightly upscale pizza shop just serving, cooking and bartending.

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I have never worked a harder job than serving.  Literally made me hate myself and everyone else.  I have respect for those folks and what they do, and think they deserve what I give them and more.



Go cure cancer or something, jeez.


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    #23870411 - 11/26/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:hahthatscute: Trust me, I am in the causing cancer industry, but it is far more rewarding to me than lugging plates to fatties all night.


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    #23870473 - 11/26/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:hahthatscute: Trust me, I am in the causing cancer industry, but it is far more rewarding to me than lugging plates to fatties all night.




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I completely agree with the 10%\18% thing though, why in the fuck is an automatic 18% tip figured into the bill? That's fucked




it was a party of 10, most restaurants when you exceed 6 guests will automatically
add a gratuity because it does cause a disruption of normal service, they have to
pull tables together, it puts a much larger load on the waitron units which also
pulls them away from the other customers they also have to serve


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I always tip about 20% but for some one to assume they worth such a tip is insulting, I'd prolly tip  nothing too explcept without the lecture :shrug:




if you dont agree with the system sit as 2 tables and tip based on service, or
simply dont go out to eat. I'm a very generous tipper. I start at the 20% range
and the tip can go up or down depending on the service, it's rarely reduced and
frequently increased and in order for me to stiff you, you'd have to be
exceptionally inattentive, if I see you giving great service to other customers
while ignoring my table... you'll get a heart felt and personal, face to face
explanation as to why you're not getting tipped




I'm an awesome tipper as well, give me good service and I'll give you a good tip, starting at 20% as well, that said, I don't think i should be expected to pay 18% if I'm only used to paying 10-15%, if pulling tables together is really that big of a deal the restaurant should just refuse to do it or add an "inconvenience charge" I refuse to accept that I have to leave a good tip, whether I'm out with my family or not, for Shitty service :shrug:





as I just explained, it's far more than just pulling table together, it interrupts
the flow of the restaurant and the dinner service, maybe you'd like for
restaurants to refuse to seat large parties such as an after reception dinner for
the newlywed's families and friends.

it's a greater burden to serve larger groups,



Quote:

And I'm not gonna give you "a little lecture" about your not getting a tip if you're a shitty server, you're an adult, if you suck at your job, you prolly know it :lol:




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    #23870503 - 11/26/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

tipping is bullshit, they should be paying you better and just charge more for the food..


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    #23870505 - 11/26/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The Christian coming in for Breakfast will tip less. They are only interested in their de-caf Coffee with butter and melted honey. With a side of Wheat toast perfectly toasted and a mixture of jams. 10 percent tip if they like you, but usually less.


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    #23870509 - 11/26/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What you're describing is an elderly person. Their Christianity has nothing to do with it, they just aren't too into the tipping bullshit because they've been around the block for far too long.


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    #23870521 - 11/26/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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as I just explained, it's far more than just pulling table together, it interrupts
the flow of the restaurant and the dinner service,

it's a greater burden to serve larger groups,




Oh cry me a river, that's why they should put their best talent on the receptions and whatnot, not the new hire from last week

And when they don't, I don't think the family should be forced to pay extra for crappy service

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maybe you'd like for
restaurants to refuse to seat large parties such as an after reception dinner for
the newlywed's families and friends.




If it's beyond their capabilities, yes

Let the family eat somewhere that the business actully knows what the fuck they are doing and the service will be good

They shouldn't agree to it, provide them with shitty service, and then expect them to pay an extra 20% for it, that's ridiculous


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    #23870567 - 11/26/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
:hahthatscute: Trust me, I am in the causing cancer industry, but it is far more rewarding to me than lugging plates to fatties all night.




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    #23870590 - 11/26/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think the correlation/causation is off here.

Athiest or Christian is irrelevant.  Many factors are involved, most important is if the person eating has ever worked in a food service job before and/or their budget.

Most people who have waited tables or worked in a restaurant will leave a higher tip (unless they are the stuck-up kind who criticize every aspect of the service and compare themselves to the server).


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    #23870780 - 11/26/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Here's an article on tipping I stumbled upon, I'm sure all you tipping nazis will appreciate it,

http://www.upworthy.com/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-tipping-explained-with-stick-figures?c=ufb5

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    #23870847 - 11/26/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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as I just explained, it's far more than just pulling table together, it interrupts
the flow of the restaurant and the dinner service,

it's a greater burden to serve larger groups,




Oh cry me a river, that's why they should put their best talent on the receptions and whatnot, not the new hire from last week

And when they don't, I don't think the family should be forced to pay extra for crappy service





but when the service is good they should be forced to pay extra. so when you come
in with 10 people, run the server ragged demanding shit that's off menu, extra
butter, more jelly, another order of bacon, etc... while occupying 3 tables in one
waitresses section for 2 and a half hours you dont feel that the 18% gratuity
added to each bill of groups like that should be paid even though it's people that
are seated in these large groups that cause these sorts or problems the most and
then dont want to leave tips at all. they're the reason these things are done.
while you may be a great tipper, others in your group may not be and your $5 isnt
going to make up for the money should could have earned serving 3 individual tables
with a 45 minute turnover

but you dont give a fuck because you're a great tipper


did you know when you walk out on paying that added gratuity you also run the risk
of being jailed because it is always stated on menus that a gratuity will be added
on large groups and it does fall under theft of service.




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maybe you'd like for
restaurants to refuse to seat large parties such as an after reception dinner for
the newlywed's families and friends.




If it's beyond their capabilities, yes




maybe you dont understand the difference between "beyond their capabilities" and
"I'm and inconsiderate prick that just wants my way"

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Let the family eat somewhere that the business actully knows what the fuck they are doing and the service will be good





you mean like some place that will add an 18% gratuity to the bill for large groups


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They shouldn't agree to it, provide them with shitty service, and then expect them to pay an extra 20% for it, that's ridiculous




why do you insist that the service is shitty?


I mentioned a wedding party going out after a reception because it;s a legit
thing, I took a good friend and his wife along with the brides maids, groomsmen,
the parents, myself and my date to a place called Aldo's, altogether it was about
20 of us at a last minute thing, they should have refused us because it was about
45 minutes to closing. the 2 severs we had were dreading it but they gave us
excellent service considering what we put them through with the demands, I covered
the check and everyone else covered the tip even though the 20% was already added
to the bill which came out to just over $500. everyone dumped some cash, no clue
how much but it was a large pile on the table and we were remembered on subsequent
visits to the restaurant

so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty,
they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also
be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out


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    #23870856 - 11/26/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Here's an article on tipping I stumbled upon, I'm sure all you tipping nazis will appreciate it,

http://www.upworthy.com/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-tipping-explained-with-stick-figures?c=ufb5

***im not reading it, I already know how to tip:lol:





you should read it because clearly you dont know how to tip...


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23870866 - 11/26/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That article says no salary? Do waiters and such not make an hourly wage in your country?


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    #23870872 - 11/26/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23870879 - 11/26/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Going by that our servers have a higher minimum wage. That's kind of surprising. It's always been my understanding though that most people don't tip unless you go somewhere fairly nice. Atleast that's the vibe I always get when I go somewhere, they always seem so shocked to recieve it.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23870884 - 11/27/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Nobody who is actually a good tipper cares about percents.  That is the stuff of cheapskates who pat themselves on the back for giving a half decent tip for excellent service.




I'm an awesome tipper until the bill starts getting expensive.

But if it's just me and my bill comes out to $10-$15, I'll throw down $5 no problem. At that point the difference between a 20% tip and a 40% tip is only like 2 dollars anyway, so might as well just give the extra dollar.

But once the bill starts exceeding $50, I usually don't exceed 20-25%, I tend to stay within the 18-22% range.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23870889 - 11/27/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm so curious about the apartment doorman part. So everybody only tips once a year around Christmas time, and it's usually between $20-$100?

That's interesting, I always wondered about that. Apartment doormen is such a New York City thing that the concept seems so foreign to me. I always wondered if those guys get tipped monthly, or every single time they open the door, or what.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23870898 - 11/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.





what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the
majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23870900 - 11/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Let the family eat somewhere that the business actully knows what the fuck they are doing and the service will be good

They shouldn't agree to it, provide them with shitty service, and then expect them to pay an extra 20% for it, that's ridiculous




What if they provide them with good service, shouldn't that deserve at least an 18% gratuity in order to avoid the staff getting skimped out on?

Larger tables are indeed a lot more hectic to serve, and not only that, but waiters who are serving 1 large table that big will no longer be free to serve any other tables. So the waiters are basically spending 2 hours where their pay is solely going to rest on that one large table's gratuity.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23870901 - 11/27/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.





what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the
majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if
they report their tips




Yeah a lot of times if you work more than 10-20 hours per week, that paycheck ends up being $0 after taxes are taken out. So wait staff literally make their entire living off tips.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23870902 - 11/27/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.





what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the
majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if
they report their tips



Holy fuck, that's terrible. I'm from Colorado:

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdle/tipped-employees

You get over $5 minimum, and they have to make up the difference up to minimum wage if you don't make minimum wage in a shift after tips are counted.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23870907 - 11/27/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm so curious about the apartment doorman part. So everybody only tips once a year around Christmas time, and it's usually between $20-$100?

That's interesting, I always wondered about that. Apartment doormen is such a New York City thing that the concept seems so foreign to me. I always wondered if those guys get tipped monthly, or every single time they open the door, or what.




it depends on how you use them, if you use them as a concierge service you need to
tip them at least weekly and provide a generous bonus at the end of the year, all
of it should be in relation to the services you ask of them. a doorman at a luxury
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23870910 - 11/27/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.





what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the
majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if
they report their tips



Holy fuck, that's terrible. I'm from Colorado:

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdle/tipped-employees

You get over $5 minimum, and they have to make up the difference up to minimum wage if you don't make minimum wage in a shift after tips are counted.





if you're making $5/hr and not drawing enough in tips to make minimum wage then
you need to find another line of work. I always pulled $150-$200 a night waiting
tables so I never complained about my earnings, that's a part of why I earned so
much, a lot of people bitched and customers never wanted to hear that shit. I have
seen servers white to customers about bills they had to pay and not having any
money and then when they dident get what they thought they should they would bitch
about the lousy tip. if I got 25 cents I was happy with it, it was a quarter more
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23870914 - 11/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty,
they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also
be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out




Hahahaha lmao... I sincerely doubt hostile universe is a good tipper.

For starters, people who bitch about 18% gratuity for large parties are usually not good tippers. They are usually people who tip below 18%, hence why they are bitching about it, because they think an 18% tip is TOO MUCH. Which is hilarious because 18% ISN'T EVEN A GOOD TIP. It's pretty standard or average.

Second, people who brag about being good tippers are usually not good tippers at all, in my experience. It's always the people saying "I'm a really good tipper, so I'll make sure you get a really good tip if you do this for me," who end up paying $4.00 on a $30 check. Or they might tip 18%, which is not a bad tip, but also nothing to run home to or gloat about what an excellent tipper you are.


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    #23870915 - 11/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.





what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the
majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if
they report their tips




Yeah a lot of times if you work more than 10-20 hours per week, that paycheck ends up being $0 after taxes are taken out. So wait staff literally make their entire living off tips.





now think about this, you have a paycheck that reads $0, you are required by obama
to now buy insurance, you reported your tips as you're supposed to and now at the
end of the year you also have to pay in because your paycheck didnt cover the taxes

and people want to bitch about how they got charged 18% on a group check


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    #23870932 - 11/27/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty,
they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also
be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out




Hahahaha lmao... I sincerely doubt hostile universe is a good tipper.

For starters, people who bitch about 18% gratuity for large parties are usually not good tippers. They are usually people who tip below 18%, hence why they are bitching about it, because they think an 18% tip is TOO MUCH. Which is hilarious because 18% ISN'T EVEN A GOOD TIP. It's pretty standard or average.

Second, people who brag about being good tippers are usually not good tippers at all, in my experience. It's always the people saying "I'm a really good tipper, so I'll make sure you get a really good tip if you do this for me," who end up paying $4.00 on a $30 check. Or they might tip 18%, which is not a bad tip, but also nothing to run home to or gloat about what an excellent tipper you are.




church people were the only groups that didnt tip well of at all in most cases,
blacks were always claimed to be no tippers as were mexicans, imagine a black
church group coming in on a bus and filling up your dining area. now imagine that
you're cooking with 2 trainee waitresses and one takes the order from all those
black church goers and then walk out the door leaving you with a handful of tickets

I can say as a matter of fact, I have not had the experience most people have had
with blacks and mexicans, I've only had a table of black women once complain about
the service and refuse a tip. I'm ok with that because they were a bunch of
chicken heads that were bitching from the moment they came in and they were so
embarrassing that their boyfriends/husbands didnt even want to be acknowledge
knowing them while they were they, they sat at different tables. they complained
like hell when I told them that their food on to go plates had to be consumed
outside of the building. I didnt get a tip from them but they boyfriends tipped me
generously for standing up to their asses and giving them a few minutes of quiet

I've always had decent tips from mexicans and blacks, even the black church group
tipped me well, I gave it to the waitress that didnt run out on me on a friday
night in the middle of a rush


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    #23871166 - 11/27/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just for the record, I don't identify as atheist I'm fagnostic.




I'm an anti-theist

one day I am going to murder bill's god





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    #23871211 - 11/27/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

$2.13 an hour is a fairly bleak wage to live on. Are tourists not worse with tipping than the Mexican-Negro-Christian complex? I always assumed that was the case since they don't come from countries that have jobs absolutely dependent on tips. Honestly, there is no way the French tip better than any of the demographics you have mentioned, you charlatan.

HA, the French are actually the worst in the world. Britain is a triumphant second.

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23871407 - 11/27/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.




Taste you are correct, but sure not slow food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

I am not sure why people like you actually not thinking about this issue with COMMON SENSE? Please explain??? Do you EVER eat out?

Servers have LOTS and LOTS of control over MOST issues. It's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH!


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    #23871410 - 11/27/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23871416 - 11/27/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.




Taste you are correct, but sure not slow food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

I am not sure why people like you actually not thinking about this issue with COMMON SENSE? Please explain??? Do you EVER eat out?




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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23871423 - 11/27/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:and on many occasions, the kitchen is actually backed up




On MOST occasions though, the kitchen is not backed up.  Just yesterday, our waitress took our food orders, then went to the table next to us that DID NOT CALL HER OVER and I heard the customer say "I'm fine on my iced tea", in other words WASTING TIME because the lady didn't even need our waitress and our food orders weren't put in YET as she was holding it in her head(she didn't write them down even) and didn't put it into the computer. LOTS of servers do this, which even if the kitchen is backed up, the food takes longer due to YOUR SERVER that did NOT go put in the order AS QUICKLY as they could have. I mean if the lady at the table next to us called her over, then I would have been OK with that, but our waitress decided to CUT turns, therefore, our food took longer due our WAITRESS, NOT the kitchen staff.

I have more and more times that servers are at fault for long waits through experiences we have gone through whether they bring out something that is completely wrong or they forget something I ordered.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23871428 - 11/27/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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the Mexican-Negro-Christian complex?





*Mexican-Negro-Christian Industrial Complex


some days I dont even know why I bother




"Christian" supplants "Industrial", fool. That person's first post was insanely indignant about this one issue.


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    #23871444 - 11/27/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

tl;dr but from a glance people like you are why I could never work in a service industry.


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    #23871483 - 11/27/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tl;dr but from a glance people like you are why I could never work in a service industry.




People like me that tell the TRUTH?? I don't understand why the TRUTH makes a person be a bad person to you?


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    #23871499 - 11/27/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No people who are entitled and testy.  It's pretty easy to just be patient and understanding even when things don't go your way.  If you don't like the way they run their business, don't go back.  Getting all worked up won't change anything other than the level of pain in your anus.


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    #23871500 - 11/27/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tl;dr but from a glance people like you are why I could never work in a service industry.




People like me that tell the TRUTH?? I don't understand why the TRUTH makes a person be a bad person to you?



Those are both statements, and do not require question marks. Unless you're genuinely questioning yourself on these false statements.


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    #23871516 - 11/27/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tl;dr but from a glance people like you are why I could never work in a service industry.



I bet Springs1 is a hit at parties though.


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    #23871528 - 11/27/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know people who I can go out to eat with and when we leave they will have a list of complaints about this and that, and will give me dirty looks for leaving a decent tip.  I would like to be able to say it is tied to religion, because I love pinning shit on religion, but I don't think it is.  Plenty of religious people are like me where they'll just enjoy having service and have a good time, plenty aren't.

What interests me is that many religious people seem to think that without religion someone loses all capacity for empathy and becomes a creature of cold, hard logic.  This just isn't the case.  Generosity and kindness are not exclusive to the religious, and the fact that for some a mandate from a god is required to behave like this is telling to me.


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    #23871534 - 11/27/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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and on many occasions, the kitchen is actually backed up




On MOST occasions though, the kitchen is not backed up.  Just yesterday, our waitress took our food orders, then went to the table next to us that DID NOT CALL HER OVER and I heard the customer say "I'm fine on my iced tea", in other words WASTING TIME because the lady didn't even need our waitress and our food orders weren't put in YET as she was holding it in her head(she didn't write them down even) and didn't put it into the computer. LOTS of servers do this, which even if the kitchen is backed up, the food takes longer due to YOUR SERVER that did NOT go put in the order AS QUICKLY as they could have. I mean if the lady at the table next to us called her over, then I would have been OK with that, but our waitress decided to CUT turns, therefore, our food took longer due our WAITRESS, NOT the kitchen staff.





I understand completely because in that 30 second delay just to see if her other
customers needed anything you could have starved to death, god knows that 30
seconds was the difference in your food coming out an hour before you arrived and
6 weeks after your death. yes, you certainly need a dedicated waitron unit that
will be there the moment you walk through the door with your drinks already on the
table before you're seated and can transmit your order via telapathy to the cooks 
so that by the time the waitron unit leaves the table it can begin to deliver your
food. AND NEVER, EVER CUT TURNS by asking another customer if they need anything
because that would be taking their attention off you

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I have more and more times that servers are at fault for long waits through experiences we have gone through whether they bring out something that is completely wrong or they forget something I ordered.





I suspect you're the problem, you got bent out of shape because a waitress did her
job in an efficient and courteous manner, that the waitress didnt set you as her
absolute top priority in life, heaven forbid that she do her job as opposed to
waiting on you hand and foot like the pampered princess you clearly are


get the stick out of your ass and understand that the world doesnt revolve around you


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    #23871548 - 11/27/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I know people who I can go out to eat with and when we leave they will have a list of complaints about this and that, and will give me dirty looks for leaving a decent tip.  I would like to be able to say it is tied to religion, because I love pinning shit on religion, but I don't think it is.  Plenty of religious people are like me where they'll just enjoy having service and have a good time, plenty aren't.







what it is is there's a small percentage of the population that you simply cannot
satisfy no matter what you do for them, they're little princesses that need your
undivided attention, if you greet them the wrong way they complein, if you greet
them the right way they complain, if the ice cubes are too cold they call the
manager and blame you for it, some days the ice cubes are too hot because they're
melting in the drink

I'm pretty sure that spring1 has made those complaints before, it's really just an
excuse to be a cheapass, no tipping bitch to people so they can feel a little
better about their lives and a miserable life it must be if all they do is complain


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    #23871597 - 11/27/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah my grandmother was like that.  I mean I loved her but it was torture going out to eat with her.  She'd send a meal back like 3 times without batting an eye, because the ribs don't fall off the bone just the way she likes or some shit like that.  It's like "Grandma, we're at the 99 (chain steakhouse), they're just taking it out of the freezer and putting it in the microwave.  What do you expect."  But she would keep sending it back until we're all done with her meal then stew over it all day.  I'd have to wait until she walked away to add to her tip otherwise I'd never hear the end of it. 

Next week she's like, "we should go to the 99."  :lolsy:

They'd always give her free meal tickets and be super nice, but if someone who isn't borderline senile tried to pull that I would hate to think what would happen to that food.


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    #23871617 - 11/27/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:I understand completely because in that 30 second delay just to see if her other customers needed anything you could have starved to death, god knows that 30 seconds was the difference




You sound SOOO MEAN and UNCARING of a human being.  EVERY SECOND COUNTS and EVERYONE has TURNS.  So you think it's OK if you are in the middle of giving your server your order that I tap your server on the shoulder to ask for a couple of refills? I bet you'd be PISSED and you know it, don't lie!

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absolute top priority in life, heaven forbid that she do her job as opposed to waiting on you hand and foot like the pampered princess you clearly areget the stick out of your ass and understand that the world doesnt revolve around you




I am not the one with the problem.  HOW is it "EFFICIENT" to the FIRST TABLE IDIOT, HUH? It's not more efficient if you were first and have to wait longer because your server cut. ARE YOU THIS STUPID that anyone would have to explain this, huh? By checking up on other tables that the server didn't get called over for is giving faster service to them instead of the 1st person's turn by CUTTING TURNS. I expect my server to go by **TURNS** and NOT CUT to ********RESPECT******** our time if they want us to *****RESPECT****** their payment at the end called a tip.  That means that I don't expect the world to revolve around me, but they sure expect the world to revolve around their income, so WHY I can't expect respect back from the person that wants and expects my money called a tip that I LEGALLY don't have to pay them, huh??

You are VERY MEAN.  I pointed out the truth and you just can't handle it, can you? The server didn't do their job. Their job is to ***RESPECT*** the customer's time by going by *****TURNS******* just like I respect them when they are at another table that I don't go interrupt someone else's service at another table by acting like I am the only customer that I wait my turn.  The thing is, the server is doing the cutting and I cannot control that part, I can only control if I choose to cut or not, which I don't do cutting. I don't go up to my server while they are at another table to ask for things. That's rude.  So I expect the SAME RESPECT BACK.  HOW HORRIBLE to think that a customer would want the same respect???


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    #23871621 - 11/27/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Those are both statements, and do not require question marks. Unless you're genuinely questioning yourself on these false statements.




These are not false statements, READ MY PROOF which you don't have.  WHERE'S YOUR PROOF YOU ARE RIGHT? That's right, you don't have any, do you?


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    #23871627 - 11/27/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No people who are entitled and testy.  It's pretty easy to just be patient and understanding even when things don't go your way.  If you don't like the way they run their business, don't go back.  Getting all worked up won't change anything other than the level of pain in your anus.




It has nothing to do with going my way, it has to do with MORALS and doing it the way it is SUPPOSED to be done.  If another party asked for their check that is right by us, I sure don't expect our server to come to ask us if we need anything until they get their check.  If the server does ask us and let's say I say we'd like 2 refills.  I sure don't expect our server to get the refills and make the poor person at the other table wait ALL that TIME to get to pay and leave when they asked first. 

It's not the way the business is ran, it's the way the SERVER DECIDES to CUT OR NOT.  That IS what it is.


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    #23871635 - 11/27/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're a real piece of work, lady.  You should spend some time in other countries so you can see what bad service actually is.


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    #23871653 - 11/27/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Getting that hyped up about minor shit all the time can't be that great for your health either. If restaurants are that upsetting then why go?


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    #23871687 - 11/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:I understand completely because in that 30 second delay just to see if her other customers needed anything you could have starved to death, god knows that 30 seconds was the difference




You sound SOOO MEAN and UNCARING of a human being.  EVERY SECOND COUNTS and EVERYONE has TURNS.  So you think it's OK if you are in the middle of giving your server your order that I tap your server on the shoulder to ask for a couple of refills? I bet you'd be PISSED and you know it, don't lie!





now in your earlier story the waitress took your order and stopped at the table
and asked those customers if they needed a refill, now suddenly they've tapped her
on the shoulder while you were in the middle of ordering. I suspect the reality of
it is that you are the type to tap a waitress on the shoulder and demand attention
while another table is trying to order, because you know, every second counts



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I am not the one with the problem.  HOW is it "EFFICIENT" to the FIRST TABLE IDIOT, HUH? It's not more efficient if you were first and have to wait longer because your server cut. ARE YOU THIS STUPID that anyone would have to explain this, huh? By checking up on other tables that the server didn't get called over for is giving faster service to them instead of the 1st person's turn by CUTTING TURNS. I expect my server to go by **TURNS** and NOT CUT to ********RESPECT******** our time if they want us to *****RESPECT****** their payment at the end called a tip.  That means that I don't expect the world to revolve around me, but they sure expect the world to revolve around their income, so WHY I can't expect respect back from the person that wants and expects my money called a tip that I LEGALLY don't have to pay them, huh??





wow, and you believe you arent the one with the problem

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You are VERY MEAN.  I pointed out the truth and you just can't handle it, can you?





yeah, you certainly showed us the truth. without a doubt.



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The server didn't do their job. Their job is to ***RESPECT*** the customer's time by going by *****TURNS******* just like I respect them when they are at another table that I don't go interrupt someone else's service at another table by acting like I am the only customer that I wait my turn.  The thing is, the server is doing the cutting and I cannot control that part, I can only control if I choose to cut or not, which I don't do cutting.





do you believe that a waitress should serve a table from start to finish without
ever assisting other customers? you keep talking about them 'cutting turns', so
clearly you believe that once the server approaches the table they must belong to
you for the duration of your visit

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I don't go up to my server while they are at another table to ask for things. That's rude.  So I expect the SAME RESPECT BACK.  HOW HORRIBLE to think that a customer would want the same respect???





now let's refresh... where did those other customers interrupt your ordering?


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Just yesterday, our waitress took our food orders, then went to the table next to us that DID NOT CALL HER OVER and I heard the customer say "I'm fine on my iced tea", in other words WASTING TIME because the lady didn't even need our waitress and our food orders weren't put in YET as she was holding it in her head




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    #23871762 - 11/27/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Springs sounds like a spoiled child.

If the server takes your order, and asks another table if they need any refills on the way back to ring your order up, it's because they can enter your order and get the refills while in the vicinity of the kitchen.  Multitasking.  It is more efficient like that rather than running back and forth.  And in this example, the table who is being offered refills is clearly there before you, so clearly they deserve priority over you based on your own selfish perspective.
 
Also, some orders take longer to cook than others.

Like I said earlier, a more deciding factor than belief system is whether or not the person has worked in food service before.


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    #23871765 - 11/27/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Springs1, will you marry me?


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    #23871774 - 11/27/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How DARE she take 20 seconds to check on another table on the way to ring the order up.  Doesn't she know who I am?


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Springs1, will you marry me?





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    #23871823 - 11/27/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Springs sounds like a spoiled child.




You sound like an UNFAIR JERK! HOW am I sounding like a child? Because I want things to be FAIR? HOW HORRIBLE OF ME, huh??

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MrBlueYoMind said:If the server takes your order, and asks another table if they need any refills on the way back to ring your order up, it's because they can enter your order and get the refills while in the vicinity of the kitchen.  Multitasking.




First off, a lot of chain restaurants have their computers IN THE DINING AREA, so NO, you are wrong there. Secondly, it isn't more efficient for our food to come to us faster, it's actually PROLONGING it from getting to us YOU STUPID IGNORANT MORON IDIOT!

EVERY SECOND COUNTS!

It is NOT more efficient for the FIRST SET OF CUSTOMERS that asked for something. It only gave faster better service to the 2nd set of customers.  It did NOT improve our service, it PROLONGED it when it wasn't supposed to be prolonged. 

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It is more efficient like that rather than running back and forth.  And in this example, the table who is being offered refills is clearly there before you, so clearly they deserve priority over you based on your own selfish perspective.




HOW are they there before us? It has NOTHING to do with WHO was there first, it has to do with *****WHO ASKED FIRST***** YOU STUPID MORON!

If your table just gave food orders, your server should NOT be voluntarily checking up on other customers. They should ONLY be heading to the computer to put your food orders in so the kitchen can start on your food DUMMY!

Doing it your method, your food WILL GUARANTEE will TAKE LONGER simply because your server is stopping along the way to say something to another table that did NOT call them over and the person said they didn't need anything, so it was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME in my situation. Even if let's say in your example that they would have asked for refills, how is your food getting to you faster if your server is doing another person's turn BEFORE YOURS, HUH? It's not more efficient. 

It's faster for the 1st table to make separate trips so the 1st table isn't "PUNISHED" for the 2nd table. 
 
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Also, some orders take longer to cook than others.




Cooking times are *****IRRELEVANT********* to what the ***SERVER** decides to do next you stupid MORON!

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Like I said earlier, a more deciding factor than belief system is whether or not the person has worked in food service before.




I worked at a donut shop/diner back in 1998-2002 off and on a little over 2yrs worth and I made 100% SURE I did TURNS, NOT CUTTING.

A good example:

This is a real example of how I served at the donut shop/diner in a particular scenario as far as turns go.  This lady and a man( a couple) were sitting at the counter that ordered a donut each and a coffee each. I was working the counter by myself at this time of day.  After, some customers got some items to-go which were the following: Another customer, a lady came in to get some dozen of mixed donuts as well as another lady stood behind her came in right after. As I was serving the first lady with her picking her mixed dozen donuts she wanted for her box that I was grabbing, the lady sitting at the counter(part of that couple) actually has the audacity to INTERRUPT this mixed donut to-go lady's turn  that I was in the MIDDLE of serving to ask me for a buttermilk donut. I told her to wait her turn. I made her wait until I served the second person waiting too, because that lady that was second was waiting in line BEFORE the lady that wanted the buttermilk donut. I did what was MORALLY RIGHT.  It had to do with doing the RIGHT THING!!  That would have been only like 5 seconds to have grabbed her another buttermilk donut, but I didn't, because it's CUTTING is ****************MORALLY WRONG***************. I was in the MIDDLE of taking another customer's order.  It wasn't her turn yet!

You are wrong when it comes to efficiency, because the 1st person's time shouldn't be punished or compromised for the 2nd person's time. It's WRONG! It delays the 1st table's food from getting to them faster and every second counts.  A bartender can be putting in an order at the same time as your server is and it is the same item made the same way, which by doing it your method, the bartender will get his customer's food before yours even though you ordered BEFORE the bartender's customers at the bar did. HOW THE HELL IS THAT FAIR, HUH JERK??


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23871844 - 11/27/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I suspect the reality of it is that you are the type to tap a waitress on the shoulder and demand attention while another table is trying to order, because you know, every second counts




I am NOT though. That's my POINT HERE that I am VERY FAIR OF A PERSON.

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wow, and you believe you arent the one with the problem




HOW when I am doing the MORALLY RIGHT THING by not interrupting other people's turns, huh? Do right to me and I do right to you. It's as simple as that.

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yeah, you certainly showed us the truth. without a doubt.




I did and you know it.

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do you believe that a waitress should serve a table from start to finish without ever assisting other customers?




Of course not.  It goes by REQUEST TURNS.  WHO ASKED FIRST FOR WHATEVER.

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you keep talking about them 'cutting turns', so clearly you believe that once the server approaches the table they must belong to you for the duration of your visit




NO, they belong to me for that duration of the REQUEST I said if it's something that they can do themselves.  An example, if I asked for my check, I don't expect my server to voluntarily ask another table that didn't call him or her over if they need anything since I just asked for my check, it's MY TURN.  Do you understand that?

If it's something like some other party's food is ready, then my server should NOT go get my check, because those people ordered WAYYYYYYYYYYY BEFORE I asked for my check, so then I will have to wait.  It's only fair. If it's a request that is asked for AFTER I asked for what I asked for, that's when it's cutting if they voluntarily ask them what they wanted. Especially if they get the item they asked for.

A good example, I asked for our check one time from our waiter. The computer was actually closer and not occupied at the time. Our waiter goes to another table that is not even near us to ask what they need. He goes to give them what they asked for, a box.  So we ended up waiting 4 minutes for our check because the asshole decided to cut turns TWICE PUNISHING OUR TIME to do their request first and even go to them when they didn't even call him over even. It's MEAN. I COULDN'T LIVE WITH MYSELF if I served like that.  That's MORALLY WRONG!  He should NOT have definitely gotten their box before our check. WE ASKED FIRST! WHAT AN ASSHOLE!


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where did those other customers interrupt your ordering?




I didn't say they did.


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    #23871849 - 11/27/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Springs1, c'mon baby, let's just leave it all behind...and be Batman and Wife.


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    #23871860 - 11/27/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You might want to take that offer seriously.  Akira is the only person I have ever seen to unleash a rant like that who isn't legit insane.

This is too good to be true.  Has to be a troll.  Also she is way too adept at breaking up quotes in her responses for someone with 8 posts.


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    #23871872 - 11/27/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not troll. This is VERY REAL!


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    #23871898 - 11/27/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not troll. This is VERY REAL!



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    #23871939 - 11/27/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I know people who I can go out to eat with and when we leave they will have a list of complaints about this and that, and will give me dirty looks for leaving a decent tip.  I would like to be able to say it is tied to religion, because I love pinning shit on religion, but I don't think it is.  Plenty of religious people are like me where they'll just enjoy having service and have a good time, plenty aren't.







what it is is there's a small percentage of the population that you simply cannot
satisfy no matter what you do for them, they're little princesses that need your
undivided attention, if you greet them the wrong way they complein, if you greet
them the right way they complain, if the ice cubes are too cold they call the
manager and blame you for it, some days the ice cubes are too hot because they're
melting in the drink

I'm pretty sure that spring1 has made those complaints before, it's really just an
excuse to be a cheapass, no tipping bitch to people so they can feel a little
better about their lives and a miserable life it must be if all they do is complain




Hahahahahahaha

If I could plus 1 this a million time I would.

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    #23871956 - 11/27/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not the one with the problem.  HOW is it "EFFICIENT" to the FIRST TABLE IDIOT, HUH? It's not more efficient if you were first and have to wait longer because your server cut. ARE YOU THIS STUPID that anyone would have to explain this, huh? By checking up on other tables that the server didn't get called over for is giving faster service to them instead of the 1st person's turn by CUTTING TURNS. I expect my server to go by **TURNS** and NOT CUT to ********RESPECT******** our time if they want us to *****RESPECT****** their payment at the end called a tip.  That means that I don't expect the world to revolve around me, but they sure expect the world to revolve around their income, so WHY I can't expect respect back from the person that wants and expects my money called a tip that I LEGALLY don't have to pay them, huh??





Ummm maybe they went to check on the other table to give you time to look over the menu. :facepalm:


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moonrockmushy said:  Has to be a troll.  Also she is way too adept at breaking up quotes in her responses for someone with 8 posts.




I am not troll. This is VERY REAL!





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    #23871996 - 11/27/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ummm maybe they went to check on the other table to give you time to look over the menu. :facepalm:





We didn't need more time to look at the menu if when we ordered.  You didn't read what happened.  We placed our food orders with her and then she asked the booth behind us if they needed more iced tea(they didn't need any).  So there was no time needed for the menu when we ordered our food.  Read next time.


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    #23872015 - 11/27/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

open your own restaurant, then...Jee-zus!

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    #23872024 - 11/27/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The untempered rage is reminiscent of sprinkles, and there is a vague similarity between the names, but I don't believe sprinkles is married.


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    #23872311 - 11/27/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's easy enough to just say you're married though. My hunch is that Springs1 is probably legit, but I have to wonder how she came across the site. Maybe she just kind of perpetually scans the internet looking for heated discussions about restaurant service.


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    #23872327 - 11/27/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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but I have to wonder how she came across the site. Maybe she just kind of perpetually scans the internet looking for heated discussions about restaurant service.




I google "server's fault" or "servers fault" within the last week or 24hours.  I google also servers tipping.  Things like that. I like proving people wrong.


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    #23872333 - 11/27/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Springs1 is French or trolling.


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    #23872348 - 11/27/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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psi said:
but I have to wonder how she came across the site. Maybe she just kind of perpetually scans the internet looking for heated discussions about restaurant service.




I google "server's fault" or "servers fault" within the last week or 24hours.  I google also servers tipping.  Things like that. I like proving people wrong.



Holy shit, I guess I was spot on.


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    #23872359 - 11/27/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm laughing so hard I hope this is a real melt.  (Previous post increases the trollometer up to 90%)

Personally, when I go to a restaurant, my only concern with quickness is when the order is up and being brought to the table.  I'm much more concerned with accuracy.

Someone hurt your donut hole didn't they?  This is why it's a moral dill enema for you. 


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    #23872360 - 11/27/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Springs sounds like a spoiled child.




You sound like an UNFAIR JERK! HOW am I sounding like a child? Because I want things to be FAIR? HOW HORRIBLE OF ME, huh??





no, you dont want things to be fair princess, you want it all for yourself, you dont
want others to have the attentions of the waitron units, you must have all the
attention focused on you.

there are no 'turns' in the hospitality industry, there are no 'turns' in life, not
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    #23872373 - 11/27/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ummm maybe they went to check on the other table to give you time to look over the menu. :facepalm:





We didn't need more time to look at the menu if when we ordered.  You didn't read what happened.  We placed our food orders with her and then she asked the booth behind us if they needed more iced tea(they didn't need any).  So there was no time needed for the menu when we ordered our food.  Read next time.





you mean they didnt tap her on the shoulder and demand yer attention for those 12
seconds that were a matter of life and death. there really is a such thing as
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    #23872403 - 11/27/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i was already at the store, and now i go back to the store to find that they've closed early, WTF! FUCK THIS SHIT. :rant:

is it too much to ask to put a big sign up "just so i have your attention, we're here same Bat-time, same Bat-channel, every day, but just for today, we're closing early! so get what you need now!"

wtf is so bad about that!? :hulk:


















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    #23872432 - 11/27/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i was already at the store, and now i go back to the store to find that they've closed early, WTF! FUCK THIS SHIT. :rant:
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Prisoner#1 said:no, you dont want things to be fair princess, you want it all for yourself, you dont
want others to have the attentions of the waitron units, you must have all the attention focused on you.




I do want things to be fair. Didn't you *READ* about my story of how I made the lady wait for her precious buttermilk donut because it wasn't her turn asshole, huh? I served fairly, I expect it to be the SAME EXACT WAY when I get served. It's a little thing called **MORALS**! I want to wait my turn and wait my turn.  When it is my turn, don't disrespect it is all I want and expect.

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there are no 'turns' in the hospitality industry, there are no 'turns' in life,




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    #23872460 - 11/27/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We didn't need more time to look at the menu if when we ordered.  You didn't read what happened.  We placed our food orders with her and then she asked the booth behind us if they needed more iced tea(they didn't need any).  So there was no time needed for the menu when we ordered our food.  Read next time.




So they just stopped over at another table to ask a question that couldn't have taken more than 10-15 seconds, and you really think it made that much of a difference in how slow your food order came out?

As another table said, it's called multitasking. By asking if another table needs iced tea, she can punch in your order in the computer and then go to the back to get more drinks right after. This reduces the amount of time she has to walk back and forth from the table to the back of the kitchen.


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    #23872464 - 11/27/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:Personally, when I go to a restaurant, my only concern with quickness is when the order is up and being brought to the table.  I'm much more concerned with accuracy.





The other parts have to occur in order for you to get it as quickly as possible you idiot.  Your server going to another table to ask if they need a refill instead of putting in your order when that other table didn't call them over is delaying your food from getting to you MORON!

Putting in the order wrong, bringing out the wrong food(accuracy) as you said has to do with TIME MORON! 

HOW can it be brought to the table quickly if your server is not putting the order into the computer?


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Prisoner#1 said:no, you dont want things to be fair princess, you want it all for yourself, you dont
want others to have the attentions of the waitron units, you must have all the attention focused on you.




I do want things to be fair. Didn't you *READ* about my story of how I made the lady wait for her precious buttermilk donut because it wasn't her turn asshole, huh? I served fairly, I expect it to be the SAME EXACT WAY when I get served. It's a little thing called **MORALS**! I want to wait my turn and wait my turn.  When it is my turn, don't disrespect it is all I want and expect.

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What do you call waiting for a table in order of when you come in or lines or take a number at the DMV or deli counter, huh?





I made a reservation so while you were sitting patiently, I passed right by you, I
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    #23872474 - 11/27/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We didn't need more time to look at the menu if when we ordered.  You didn't read what happened.  We placed our food orders with her and then she asked the booth behind us if they needed more iced tea(they didn't need any).  So there was no time needed for the menu when we ordered our food.  Read next time.




So they just stopped over at another table to ask a question that couldn't have taken more than 10-15 seconds, and you really think it made that much of a difference in how slow your food order came out?




she could have died in that time

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As another table said, it's called multitasking. By asking if another table needs iced tea, she can punch in your order in the computer and then go to the back to get more drinks right after. This reduces the amount of time she has to walk back and forth from the table to the back of the kitchen.





it's not FAIR that the waitress can do 2 things at once


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    #23872481 - 11/27/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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church people were the only groups that didnt tip well of at all in most cases,
blacks were always claimed to be no tippers as were mexicans, imagine a black
church group coming in on a bus and filling up your dining area. now imagine that
you're cooking with 2 trainee waitresses and one takes the order from all those
black church goers and then walk out the door leaving you with a handful of tickets

I can say as a matter of fact, I have not had the experience most people have had
with blacks and mexicans, I've only had a table of black women once complain about
the service and refuse a tip. I'm ok with that because they were a bunch of
chicken heads that were bitching from the moment they came in and they were so
embarrassing that their boyfriends/husbands didnt even want to be acknowledge
knowing them while they were they, they sat at different tables. they complained
like hell when I told them that their food on to go plates had to be consumed
outside of the building. I didnt get a tip from them but they boyfriends tipped me
generously for standing up to their asses and giving them a few minutes of quiet

I've always had decent tips from mexicans and blacks, even the black church group
tipped me well, I gave it to the waitress that didnt run out on me on a friday
night in the middle of a rush




It's odd, with black people it's hit or miss. You get the people who complain about everything and anything under the sun and return all the food after eating half of it because they want it comp'ed. Then you get people who are really good.

A couple times I got some gangbanger types with gold teeth and bandanas who I thought for sure would stiff me on the tip, but they ended up throwing down a pretty big cash tip. Some of those guys tip close to 100% on a bill.


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    #23872489 - 11/27/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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why didnt you get what you needed when you were there earlier



i stopped in quickly to get a drink, went back home and was like, i don't need to go get anything yet, the store is open for a long time, but nah, it closed early. WTF. people just like are like there all the time, then one day, they ain't.

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872501 - 11/27/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:So they just stopped over at another table to ask a question that couldn't have taken more than 10-15 seconds, and you really think it made that much of a difference in how slow your food order came out?




Yes it makes THAT HUGE of a difference that another server or bartender just put orders in for another table in those 10-15 seconds, so YES it is.  Also, it's the PRINCIPLE of it that we ordered BEFORE them, so it's not their turn.

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As another table said, it's called multitasking.




No it's not. The server didn't get any order, the lady DECLINED her refill request.

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By asking if another table needs iced tea, she can punch in your order in the computer and then go to the back to get more drinks right after. This reduces the amount of time she has to walk back and forth from the table to the back of the kitchen.




But it INCREASES the amount of time the customers are at their table waiting for their food YOU FUCKING STUPID IDIOT MORON WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND EVERY SECOND COUNTS YOU UNCARING, UNFEELING ASSHOLE!

It only helps the 2nd table's time, but the 1st table's time gets JIPPED out of their time they are waiting for what they asked for.  2nd table is getting quicker, better service than the 1st table doing it your way instead of doing it the way it is supposed to be deserved.

In my situation, the lady didn't even need a refill, so it wasn't any multitasking, it just wasted time asking a question that wasn't needed.


Let's say she would have wanted a refill or refills, it's not saving time for the 1st table that just ordered their food you STUPID MORON!  That's not more efficient to the 1st table. It's PUNISHING the 1st table's time for the 2nd table's time giving the 2nd table better, faster service. 

As far as reducing time walking back and forth, that has NOTHING to do with when customers are supposed to have their turn.  If she had gone to put in the order and came back, SO WHAT? What if it was the opposite that we were the table that needed refills and the other table ordered their food, we should wait OUR TURN WHEN IT IS, NOT get it ahead of when we were supposed to have our turn MORON!  I am willing to wait my turn and do not want to be cut in front of. 

It's not multitasking, because it slows down the 1st person's request. Do you understand this IDIOT? ARE YOU THIS STUPID?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23872505 - 11/27/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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it's not FAIR that the waitress can do 2 things at once




She can't.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1]
    #23872514 - 11/27/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's still multi-tasking, if she didn't ask that question immediately after your order, then she would have had to walk back to that table to ask if they needed drink refills.

Now that she's asked them that question and they declined the offer for the refill, she doesn't have to come back, she can go elsewhere to other parts of the restaurant to serve other tables.

Seriously, how is the server supposed to telepathically predict and know whether a person has had enough iced tea or not? Their drinks were probably close to empty which would warrant the server to ask such a question, but the customers simply didn't want any more refills.

I find it funny somebody who clearly does not understand food service at all is calling other people morons. :lol:

Why don't you just admit you're just a cheap-ass who is looking for any reason to stiff somebody on the bill.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872518 - 11/27/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i would definitely use some bun aftermath on the rolls for Springs1.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1] * 1
    #23872524 - 11/27/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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YOU FUCKING STUPID IDIOT MORON WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND EVERY SECOND COUNTS YOU UNCARING, UNFEELING ASSHOLE!



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you STUPID MORON!



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MORON!



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IDIOT? ARE YOU THIS STUPID?



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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23872533 - 11/27/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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why didnt you get what you needed when you were there earlier



i stopped in quickly to get a drink, went back home and was like, i don't need to go get anything yet, the store is open for a long time, but nah, it closed early. WTF. people just like are like there all the time, then one day, they ain't.

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1] * 4
    #23872539 - 11/27/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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it's not FAIR that the waitress can do 2 things at once




She can't.





she checked on a customer and managed to piss you off at the exact same time


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23872579 - 11/27/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.

people like springs1 who even notices their server doing things before this or that makes me think "wow...there really is people like that in the world"

seriously..just tip the damn server and not go back if you have a problem.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23872583 - 11/27/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

WHERE'S YOUR MORALS?

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23872709 - 11/27/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23872806 - 11/27/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either. I've had a couple snooty servers, and they're usually the ones that come from overseas with Italian or French accents, so I just shrug it off as a cultural thing.

Maybe sometimes I had a few servers who were unfriendly or didn't smile, especially at Korean restaurants, but that's not something that I necessarily mind. You don't have to act all fake happy and bubbly to serve me food.

But even in these cases, the server still ultimately does their job and is prompt with everything. Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant. So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.

Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault. I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.

Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.

People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex. It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23872814 - 11/27/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872817 - 11/27/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

baha'ii' nondenominational faith gnostic real lifer. i tip even if i dont have money,


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23872830 - 11/27/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.




That's dumb. If people stopped tipping, then restaurants would simply tack on an automatic 18% "service fee" to the bill.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23872838 - 11/27/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?




No because servers make less than half minimum wage.  Their paychecks aren't shit because they have to claim their tips, and then the IRS takes taxes out of what they make in tips plus hourly wage out of the hourly wage pay.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23872864 - 11/27/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?




No because servers make less than half minimum wage.  Their paychecks aren't shit because they have to claim their tips, and then the IRS takes taxes out of what they make in tips plus hourly wage out of the hourly wage pay.




Exactly, if a server works more than 10-20 hours a week, after taxes their paycheck will sometimes literally be $0. This means that they literally rely on tips to earn their living.

So if you stiff a server, that makes you the absolute worst, that's basically an hour they could have been serving another table that would have paid them instead.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872959 - 11/27/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either. I've had a couple snooty servers, and they're usually the ones that come from overseas with Italian or French accents, so I just shrug it off as a cultural thing.

Maybe sometimes I had a few servers who were unfriendly or didn't smile, especially at Korean restaurants, but that's not something that I necessarily mind. You don't have to act all fake happy and bubbly to serve me food.

But even in these cases, the server still ultimately does their job and is prompt with everything. Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant. So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.

Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault. I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.

Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.

People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex. It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





Its like when im out eating..im not even thinking of the tip. it doesnt ever cross my mind until i get the check. I think quickly "should i give 20% or more" and i proceed to give what i see fit


people that go in and immediately start judging the whole experience based on the tip is literally opposite of what i do :shrug:

and i go out to eat A LOT. i did every single night basically for 2 years when i ran into a large inheritance

if something was 40 dollars..i gave 60-65. If something was 20..i gave 30.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23872966 - 11/27/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't surprise me that the US has this system where the employer foists the responsibility of compensating the employee onto the employee and the customer. That said, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. :shrug:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872969 - 11/27/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Would it change your tipping habits much if the servers only made a $1 less than minimum wage?


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    #23873053 - 11/27/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It doesn't surprise me that the US has this system where the employer foists the responsibility of compensating the employee onto the employee and the customer. That said, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. :shrug:



My sentiments exactly, it's a stupid system (especially the special exception to the minimum wage) but I play along if I go to that type of restaurant, which I don't very often. If there were sit-down style restaurants where the whole cost of the visit was built into the menu price of the food then I would go to those instead. If they want to do some kind of performance based bonus system then great, but it should be the employer paying the employee their earnings.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi] * 1
    #23873141 - 11/27/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.




That's dumb. If people stopped tipping, then restaurants would simply tack on an automatic 18% "service fee" to the bill.



What's dumb? I recommended nothing but that the system of tipping is retarded at the very core. Which it is. People informing me that they only get $2 an hour in many states confirms that suspicion. It's a racket.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to tip though. Wouldn't want to be an asshole or anything. :lol:


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    #23873172 - 11/27/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The system in place at other types of businesses where the customer pays the business and then the business pays the employee seems to work out alright. Restaurants instead employ a system where the business is only legally obligated to pay the employee a minuscule amount on the assumption that the customer will pay the employee the rest of their earnings, but the customer isn't legally obligated to pay the employee anything at all.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23873186 - 11/27/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either.


 

You don't eat out enough nor do you watch your server to know nor do you probably even go over your check to make sure they didn't overcharge you, so HOW would you even KNOW if it was bad or not?

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Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant.




Sometimes not, some are chit chatting and texting or one waitress we had was actually putting on make-up instead of doing it at home before she came in(it opened at 11a.m., we got there when it opened).  So NOT always HONESTLY.

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So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.




That's because you have no IDEA what's going on that you aren't checking anything or paying any attention nor do you probably even count if the server apologizes or not in the tip as I do since I am VERY SENSITIVE.

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Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault.




Quality of food you are 100% correct, but NOT waiting an hour for your food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

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I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.




Waiting an hour for your food is certainly in their control to see WHY it's taking so long if they have done everything they possibly could have to make it come to you quickly. 

We have had as I said above, a NUMBER of times servers forgot to put in orders.  It happens.  9 times out of 10, it's the SERVER'S FAULT when you have a long wait for your food.

They have to put it in correctly into the computer, if they bring it out they have to not forget something and bring it out obviously correctly.  They also delay your food if they clean up before putting in an order or voluntarily ask other customers at other tables how they are doing. Also, especially if they get what they asked for before putting in your order such as let's say another table asked for a bag, but you just ordered your food with your server before this person asked for a bag, by the server getting the bag before putting in your order delays things HUGELY. You may see it as it's 10 seconds, but it's actually competing against other servers and bartenders putting in orders.

Read and weep of a person that works in the service industry that tells you like it really is:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14

flowwiththego said:

“Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can’t tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.”

flowwiththego said:

"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still.  Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-26

flowwiththego said:

"yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."

Another server came onto my blog to agree with me, here she is as well:


www.howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-to-be-good-server-in-restaurant.html?commentPage=4

Stef319 is DEFENDING me and she was a server at Red Lobster.  She had another blog I went on and then she came to agree with me on here. Her blog is no longer there.  MT was saying to hold orders in your hands as a server not to make 3 trips to a computer if you are triple sat as a server, but the thing is, by the time the 1st table's order is even known about, it can be 5-10 MINUTES LATER doing it MT'S method rather than doing it the **FAIR** way as Stef 319 said below:

Stef319 said:
"MT
    "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."

In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold.  The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this.  The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen.  I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in."


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Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.




WHO says it's minor? To you, I guess that's your opinion, but for me, it's not minor, because most of the time the servers aren't even TRYING their best like when they don't write your order down, so then they mess it up, that's PURE LAZINESS AND UNCARINGNESS of them.  When they forget 3 or 4 things off the plate and they bring you your food, OBVIOUSLY they did NOT EVER compare their written order to the food.  When they show me they don't care, it HURTS my feelings. They want us to CARE they only make $2.13/hr, but they don't care about our orders being right.  It hurts.

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People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex.




NO, it's not a god complex. It's because I am a hard worker and a person that is sensitive along with them wanting a good tip, then they should CARE about us if they expect US to CARE about their tip. It's a 2-way caring street. It shouldn't be one-sided caring. 

I know I am not perfect, nobody is, but there's a HUGE difference between a server that is clearly busting their ass vs. a lazy one.  When I see a server not putting forth **EFFORT** into the job, it hurts my feelings that they want my order wrong on purpose because they are TOO LAZY TO GIVE A FLYING FUCK about my order coming out correctly.  It's mean.

It has NOTHING to do with a god complex. It has to do with I want **********EVEN STEVEN CARING**********.  You care about me, I care about your tip.  I don't want the UNEVEN caring. 

I can tell in MOSTLY all cases if something was an honest hard working mistake or someone that didn't put any effort into the job.

This is a good example would be let's say I order 2 mayos, 1 mustard, and 1 ranch with my burger and fries. My server brings me my food and NONE of the condiments are on my plate, NOT a one, do you think the server made honest mistakes? HELL NO, you aren't going to miss 4 containers if you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY COMPARED your written order to the food and made sure you were leaving the kitchen with the right amount of items and the correct items.  Now, I can see an honest mistake if they miss ONE, but FOUR, HELL NO, you can EASILY TELL if the server is an UNCARING, LAZY ASSHOLE or someone that is TRULY a HARD WORKING INDIVIDUAL. For one thing, I have had a number of caring servers bring out my condiments ahead of time so they WON'T forget. 

It hurts my feelings they don't care about if I am happy or not, so in turn they get a bad tip or stiffed when things like that happen.

It has ZERO to do with acting like I am perfect. It has to do with I expect the person I am paying a tip to ********WORK************ for their money.  To SHOW YOU CARE about me, then I WILL SHOW I CARE ABOUT YOU.  It's a 2-way street that should be EVEN.

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It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





In my HEART it happens. I can't just let it go. It hurts.  It's not about micromanaging to be mean, it's that they are showing they don't care and then they want OUR MONEY VOLUNTARILY doesn't make ANY SENSE.

If they don't care us, why should we care they only make $2.13/hr??? It's not an even trade as it **********SHOULD BE************!  When it is an even trade, then they get the huge tips of 25%-30% and upwards or when the service is decent or ok, they get 20% or 15%.  When the service is not good, but not terrible, they get 12% or 10% or 8% something like that.  It depends on HOW they TREAT ME. I expect them to do what I would personally do if I were a server. I also go by if they don't say they are sorry when they mess up something I take off tip points for being mean and impolite.  I tell them "thank you" and ask nicely for things, it should be EQUAL when it comes to that sort of stuff. It doesn't cost any money to say you are sorry. I have apologized to servers when I have forgotten to ask for something, it should go BOTH WAYS!

I can't be you and not care about where my hard earned money is going and also I can't be you to pay someone to not care.  Also, you probably don't check each price from the menu against your check.  You truly wouldn't believe all the overcharged wrong prices we have had because servers are so SELFISH that they don't check that for you as their job is to charge you correctly.  I want them to care if they want me to care back. That's what it has to do with.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23873203 - 11/27/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




That's because you don't care about where your money goes, I do. You also aren't sensitive like I am so you don't care. You also wouldn't have any idea if you had bad service(like things go wrong), because you don't pay attention to any of it.

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people like springs1 who even notices their server doing things before this or that makes me think "wow...there really is people like that in the world"




Because I have feelings and you don't.  You obviously don't have any emotions or expectations about the person you are paying, I do.  I expect them to *EQUALLY* CARE about me as I do to them.  They want me to care they only make $2.13/hr, then they have to care about if they do things correctly and in a timely fashion.

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seriously..just tip the damn server and not go back if you have a problem.




Ever heard of positive and negative reinforcement? It works. WHY do you think they have jails or detention? So people can **LEARN** to stop doing a certain behavior and do something else instead. 

I am not going to pay a server well to treat me like shit. If you want to that's your business, but it also is hurting other people like me when you do that, because then the server will continue to mess up constantly and not care.

As far as never going back goes, bad service is EVERYWHERE. What I do is ask not to get certain servers or request to get the ones I do like.  I make sure I am not in hell again the next time I go to that restaurant with the same mean, uncaring, and lazy server we had.

You wouldn't even know you had a problem most likely since you don't care where your money goes, but I sure do and I won't pay someone well to be mean and uncaring to me.  I am an EYE for an EYE type of person, because I believe in ***FAIRNESS**. I don't believe in being unfair to anyone.


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    #23873205 - 11/27/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.


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    #23873207 - 11/27/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:people that go in and immediately start judging the whole experience based on the tip is literally opposite of what i do :shrug:




That's why people get bad service, because of UNCARING people like you that want to keep the bad service going by paying them to keep doing it.


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PatrickKn said:
That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.




I am not a troll IDIOT!


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1]
    #23873213 - 11/27/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Springs1 said:
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Crystal G said:I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either.


 

You don't eat out enough nor do you watch your server to know nor do you probably even go over your check to make sure they didn't overcharge you, so HOW would you even KNOW if it was bad or not?

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Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant.




Sometimes not, some are chit chatting and texting or one waitress we had was actually putting on make-up instead of doing it at home before she came in(it opened at 11a.m., we got there when it opened).  So NOT always HONESTLY.

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So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.




That's because you have no IDEA what's going on that you aren't checking anything or paying any attention nor do you probably even count if the server apologizes or not in the tip as I do since I am VERY SENSITIVE.

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Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault.




Quality of food you are 100% correct, but NOT waiting an hour for your food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

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I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.




Waiting an hour for your food is certainly in their control to see WHY it's taking so long if they have done everything they possibly could have to make it come to you quickly. 

We have had as I said above, a NUMBER of times servers forgot to put in orders.  It happens.  9 times out of 10, it's the SERVER'S FAULT when you have a long wait for your food.

They have to put it in correctly into the computer, if they bring it out they have to not forget something and bring it out obviously correctly.  They also delay your food if they clean up before putting in an order or voluntarily ask other customers at other tables how they are doing. Also, especially if they get what they asked for before putting in your order such as let's say another table asked for a bag, but you just ordered your food with your server before this person asked for a bag, by the server getting the bag before putting in your order delays things HUGELY. You may see it as it's 10 seconds, but it's actually competing against other servers and bartenders putting in orders.

Read and weep of a person that works in the service industry that tells you like it really is:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14

flowwiththego said:

“Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can’t tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.”

flowwiththego said:

"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still.  Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-26

flowwiththego said:

"yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."

Another server came onto my blog to agree with me, here she is as well:


www.howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-to-be-good-server-in-restaurant.html?commentPage=4

Stef319 is DEFENDING me and she was a server at Red Lobster.  She had another blog I went on and then she came to agree with me on here. Her blog is no longer there.  MT was saying to hold orders in your hands as a server not to make 3 trips to a computer if you are triple sat as a server, but the thing is, by the time the 1st table's order is even known about, it can be 5-10 MINUTES LATER doing it MT'S method rather than doing it the **FAIR** way as Stef 319 said below:

Stef319 said:
"MT
    "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."

In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold.  The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this.  The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen.  I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in."


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Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.




WHO says it's minor? To you, I guess that's your opinion, but for me, it's not minor, because most of the time the servers aren't even TRYING their best like when they don't write your order down, so then they mess it up, that's PURE LAZINESS AND UNCARINGNESS of them.  When they forget 3 or 4 things off the plate and they bring you your food, OBVIOUSLY they did NOT EVER compare their written order to the food.  When they show me they don't care, it HURTS my feelings. They want us to CARE they only make $2.13/hr, but they don't care about our orders being right.  It hurts.

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People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex.




NO, it's not a god complex. It's because I am a hard worker and a person that is sensitive along with them wanting a good tip, then they should CARE about us if they expect US to CARE about their tip. It's a 2-way caring street. It shouldn't be one-sided caring. 

I know I am not perfect, nobody is, but there's a HUGE difference between a server that is clearly busting their ass vs. a lazy one.  When I see a server not putting forth **EFFORT** into the job, it hurts my feelings that they want my order wrong on purpose because they are TOO LAZY TO GIVE A FLYING FUCK about my order coming out correctly.  It's mean.

It has NOTHING to do with a god complex. It has to do with I want **********EVEN STEVEN CARING**********.  You care about me, I care about your tip.  I don't want the UNEVEN caring. 

I can tell in MOSTLY all cases if something was an honest hard working mistake or someone that didn't put any effort into the job.

This is a good example would be let's say I order 2 mayos, 1 mustard, and 1 ranch with my burger and fries. My server brings me my food and NONE of the condiments are on my plate, NOT a one, do you think the server made honest mistakes? HELL NO, you aren't going to miss 4 containers if you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY COMPARED your written order to the food and made sure you were leaving the kitchen with the right amount of items and the correct items.  Now, I can see an honest mistake if they miss ONE, but FOUR, HELL NO, you can EASILY TELL if the server is an UNCARING, LAZY ASSHOLE or someone that is TRULY a HARD WORKING INDIVIDUAL. For one thing, I have had a number of caring servers bring out my condiments ahead of time so they WON'T forget. 

It hurts my feelings they don't care about if I am happy or not, so in turn they get a bad tip or stiffed when things like that happen.

It has ZERO to do with acting like I am perfect. It has to do with I expect the person I am paying a tip to ********WORK************ for their money.  To SHOW YOU CARE about me, then I WILL SHOW I CARE ABOUT YOU.  It's a 2-way street that should be EVEN.

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It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





In my HEART it happens. I can't just let it go. It hurts.  It's not about micromanaging to be mean, it's that they are showing they don't care and then they want OUR MONEY VOLUNTARILY doesn't make ANY SENSE.

If they don't care us, why should we care they only make $2.13/hr??? It's not an even trade as it **********SHOULD BE************!  When it is an even trade, then they get the huge tips of 25%-30% and upwards or when the service is decent or ok, they get 20% or 15%.  When the service is not good, but not terrible, they get 12% or 10% or 8% something like that.  It depends on HOW they TREAT ME. I expect them to do what I would personally do if I were a server. I also go by if they don't say they are sorry when they mess up something I take off tip points for being mean and impolite.  I tell them "thank you" and ask nicely for things, it should be EQUAL when it comes to that sort of stuff. It doesn't cost any money to say you are sorry. I have apologized to servers when I have forgotten to ask for something, it should go BOTH WAYS!

I can't be you and not care about where my hard earned money is going and also I can't be you to pay someone to not care.  Also, you probably don't check each price from the menu against your check.  You truly wouldn't believe all the overcharged wrong prices we have had because servers are so SELFISH that they don't check that for you as their job is to charge you correctly.  I want them to care if they want me to care back. That's what it has to do with.






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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23873219 - 11/27/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.





really? a troll that plays copy/paste of the same thing HE has posted over at the
sherdog forum a dozen times, I bet if you had an account you could find their raid
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23873225 - 11/27/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If there were sit-down style restaurants where the whole cost of the visit was built into the menu price of the food then I would go to those instead.




They do. Aren't there cafeteria style restaurants or restaurants where you pay first at a cashier and then sit down and eat by where you live?

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Its like when im out eating..im not even thinking of the tip. it doesnt ever cross my mind until i get the check. I think quickly "should i give 20% or more" and i proceed to give what i see fit


people that go in and immediately start judging the whole experience based on the tip is literally opposite of what i do :shrug:

and i go out to eat A LOT. i did every single night basically for 2 years when i ran into a large inheritance

if something was 40 dollars..i gave 60-65. If something was 20..i gave 30.




Shit you're a big tipper. You're tipping close to 50% or more if you're paying a total of $60 to 65 on a $40 check.

I've only tipped 50% a few times in my life. One, it has to be a place that I go to regularly and a place where the staff knows me and remember me. And two, even then I only tip 50% if my check is less than $20.

Because like I said, at that point, the difference between a 30% gratuity and a 50% gratuity is only like a couple of dollars. So might as well pay an extra $3 or whatever and make the server happy, that's $2 or $3 I probably would have spent on gum or something else stupid anyway. At that point you're literally only counting cents by doing exact percentages, so just round up.

How much I tip depends a lot on which state I'm tipping in too. In California, servers make a $10 minimum wage on top of tips. So they're basically making a lot more than other people who work shittier jobs in retail and things like that. Being a chef is a million times harder and more brutal than serving, and they make a lot less than servers do in California. So I generally tip closer to 15-18% in California.

But if I'm in any other state, I know that servers usually make practically nothing hourly. So I will tip almost double what I would ordinarily tip in California.


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    #23873227 - 11/27/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT MORON I AM SENSITIVE!!!!  YOU'RE UNKIND YOU STUPID IDIOT!!!  I'M RIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE A DUMB IDIOT MORON!!!  HOW DARE I HAVE TO WAIT 20 SECONDS LONGER THAN NECESSARY FOR MY 45 PIECES OF BACON APPETIZER?!?! 

SECONDS COUNTS, EVEN THIRDS AND FOURTHS OF THOSE BRONTOSAURUS RIBS FROM THE FLINTSTONES!!!

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OMG, THAT MORON JUST REFILLED THAT IDIOT OLD LADY'S COFFEE!!! SHE IS NOT GETTING A TIP!!!


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    #23873256 - 11/27/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If there were sit-down style restaurants where the whole cost of the visit was built into the menu price of the food then I would go to those instead.




They do. Aren't there cafeteria style restaurants or restaurants where you pay first at a cashier and then sit down and eat by where you live?




By a sit-down style restaurant I mean one with table service, same format but with only the payment scheme changed. There are of course restaurants here where you pay first at a cashier, any fast food place works like that.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi]
    #23873271 - 11/27/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They do. Aren't there cafeteria style restaurants or restaurants where you pay first at a cashier and then sit down and eat by where you live?




By a sit-down style restaurant I mean one with table service, same format but with only the payment scheme changed. There are of course restaurants here where you pay first at a cashier, any fast food place works like that.




Yeah, but I'm talking about restaurants that are a little higher-tier than fast food. Better quality food and more comfortable seating so you can sit for longer periods of time.

I know a couple restaurants out there are experimenting with "no tipping" style of service. There's a couple Michelin star restaurants in Manhattan that pay their servers $15 an hour, and they strongly discourage patrons from tipping the staff.

But of course these places can afford to do it, Michelin star restaurants typically charge $100-$200 per head.

Personally if I was a server at one of these expensive restaurants, I'd probably prefer to be tipped out than paid hourly.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23873278 - 11/27/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:really? a troll that plays copy/paste of the same thing HE has posted over at the
sherdog forum a dozen times, I bet if you had an account you could find their raid thread and this one is the only one that took the bait




The copy and paste is because the SAME thing people are saying spreading the SAME LIES, so why would I rewrite something new if the SAME LIES are being spread, huh? I will prove people wrong again and again. I am no troll. This is VERY REAL!


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23873303 - 11/27/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23873332 - 11/27/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They do. Aren't there cafeteria style restaurants or restaurants where you pay first at a cashier and then sit down and eat by where you live?




By a sit-down style restaurant I mean one with table service, same format but with only the payment scheme changed. There are of course restaurants here where you pay first at a cashier, any fast food place works like that.




Yeah, but I'm talking about restaurants that are a little higher-tier than fast food. Better quality food and more comfortable seating so you can sit for longer periods of time.

I know a couple restaurants out there are experimenting with "no tipping" style of service. There's a couple Michelin star restaurants in Manhattan that pay their servers $15 an hour, and they strongly discourage patrons from tipping the staff.

But of course these places can afford to do it, Michelin star restaurants typically charge $100-$200 per head.

Personally if I was a server at one of these expensive restaurants, I'd probably prefer to be tipped out than paid hourly.



OK, yeah I'm not aware of any restaurants of the first type in this area but that might be my style. The second type is more what I was imagining, only not that expensive.


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    #23873340 - 11/27/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1]
    #23873372 - 11/27/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You don't eat out enough nor do you watch your server to know nor do you probably even go over your check to make sure they didn't overcharge you, so HOW would you even KNOW if it was bad or not?




1) How do you know how often I eat out? I eat out 3 times a week some weeks.
2) I don't need to incessantly watch my server every minute that I'm spending at the restaurant because I'm not a crazy person.
3) I do go over the check to make sure they didn't overcharge me, in fact this was something that I taught my last boyfriend to do, because he mentioned getting overcharged on a bill one time without even noticing it. That's something I've always done out of habit. I also always check my grocery store receipt and other receipts to make sure I got the appropriate discounts and everything too.

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Sometimes not, some are chit chatting and texting or one waitress we had was actually putting on make-up instead of doing it at home before she came in(it opened at 11a.m., we got there when it opened).  So NOT always HONESTLY.




I don't mind if they're chit-chatting or texting, if they are it's probably because the restaurant is running slow and there's not that many customers. That, or they've finished everything they need to do and are trying to kill time because they're waiting for food orders to come out from the kitchen.

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That's because you have no IDEA what's going on that you aren't checking anything or paying any attention nor do you probably even count if the server apologizes or not in the tip as I do since I am VERY SENSITIVE.




Um.... kay?

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2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.




Yeah, that happens sometimes. Servers are human, they apologize when it happens, and there's no need to take it so personally.

Belive it or not, some people actually like to spend their leisurely time sitting down at a restaurant, they don't want to receive their food in a rush and leave in a hurry.

I also can't believe you spend that much time writing that entire thing out. You are over-analyzing and over-criticizing this way too much and blowing these things out of proportion. Makes me wonder if you've ever had to worry about anything legitimate in your entire life before.


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    #23873379 - 11/27/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Prisoner got beat down in this thread. He won't be a mod for long.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Deemstar]
    #23873428 - 11/27/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:okthatsfunny: there's a blog?

I'm not going to read that either, but you're really precious springs. 

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baha'ii' nondenominational faith gnostic real lifer. i tip even if i dont have money,




Psssh.  Sometimes when I am walking by a restaurant I will go in and tip when I didn't even eat there :snub:


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    #23873452 - 11/27/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:okthatsfunny: there's a blog?

I'm not going to read that either, but you're really precious springs. 




She's been at this for a while it seems. She made a single blog post in 2007 and has been arguing with people in the comments ever since.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1]
    #23873460 - 11/27/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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sherdog forum a dozen times, I bet if you had an account you could find their raid thread and this one is the only one that took the bait




The copy and paste is because the SAME thing people are saying spreading the SAME LIES, so why would I rewrite something new if the SAME LIES are being spread, huh? I will prove people wrong again and again. I am no troll. This is VERY REAL!





those lies would be your lies, much of what you say is things that didnt happen,
that you did not witness and you even state this fact. so you're the one that
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi]
    #23873462 - 11/27/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:okthatsfunny: there's a blog?

I'm not going to read that either, but you're really precious springs. 




She's been at this for a while it seems. She made a single blog post in 2007 and has been arguing with people in the comments ever since.





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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23873471 - 11/27/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Funny how the person who claims to be the most sensitive little flower is also the same person who screams at people and calls them idiots and morons simply for disagreeing.  :bored: I guess they're only sensitive about their own selves, and not about the feelings of other people. Self-absorbed much?


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    #23873505 - 11/27/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's kinda sad really. How can anyone remain so infuriated about a topic like this for almost an entire decade? Why not just cook at home if restaurants are such a terrible experience?


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    #23873525 - 11/27/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's kinda sad really. How can anyone remain so infuriated about a topic like this for almost an entire decade?




It's actually borderline crazy to remain that infuriated about a topic that really shouldn't bother them that much. I'm just imagining what a micromanaging pain in the ass this person must be in real-life.

The epitome of first-world problems, mate.


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    #23874113 - 11/28/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think religious views are such a small part of what may factor in to whether or not someone tips, if it's even relevant at all.



You're probably right but who knows?.. maybe there's some sort of statistical correlation or something. But yeah its probably based on many other factors.

Let me tell you ive met some really horrible people that were "devout" Christians. A few in particular were really hateful, cruel, ignorant, dumb selfish individuals Definitely low/ no tippers


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    #23875484 - 11/28/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I personally have met lots more christians that don't tip. Maybe it's cuz I hang out with cool athiests or shitty christians or it could be my limited experience. My Dad is a non-tipping christian. I also think I saw a study that said christians are less likely to tip but studies usually show bias. my two cents


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23876034 - 11/28/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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2) I don't need to incessantly watch my server every minute that I'm spending at the restaurant because I'm not a crazy person.




It's not crazy to want to know where your HARD EARNED MONEY is going. It's not.  It's crazy to not pay attention to where your hard earned money is going. THAT IS CRAZY to spend (at least for me, 40 hrs a week to just give away my money to an uncaring, lazy server).

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3) I do go over the check to make sure they didn't overcharge me, in fact this was something that I taught my last boyfriend to do, because he mentioned getting overcharged on a bill one time without even noticing it. That's something I've always done out of habit. I also always check my grocery store receipt and other receipts to make sure I got the appropriate discounts and everything too.




So you TRULY check EVERY PRICE? If not, you are WAYYY SURE not checking everything. We have had MANY, MANY wrong prices over the years.

Just this past year, had a shrimp po-boy that was $13.95 on the menu, but was charged $14.05 on our check.  I didn't add anything that would make it extra.  TWICE at the SAME RESTAURANT it happened.  Finally after complaining to the actual manager the 2nd time it happened, he FINALLY fixed it.  The both servers both times could have noticed it BEFORE they gave us the check, so it was their fault 100%.  I am only a customer and if I can read a "4" is not a "3" and a "0" is not a "5", so could have they.

If you don't compare the menu prices to the check prices, then that's crazy to not care about your money. 

If you have overcharges, that is bad service, that's not good service.

Maybe you are lucky and don't get overcharges very often, we however do.

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I don't mind if they're chit-chatting or texting, if they are it's probably because the restaurant is running slow and there's not that many customers. That, or they've finished everything they need to do and are trying to kill time because they're waiting for food orders to come out from the kitchen.




But what if you need something? That's when I mind.  I don't care if I don't need them. I could care less if they are playing around, but if I am ready for my check and I am waiting 10-15 minutes to leave because they are playing around, they won't be getting a tip at all for not doing their work on their job.  It's a JOB, NOT playtime. 

Another good example, once, asked for a refill at Applebee's from our waiter, instead of going to get it, he goes apparently knows this lady at another table, actually hugs her and starts chit chatting.  That's just MEAN and UNCARING to the customer that just asked for something since this is a JOB that you do PHYSICAL LABOR and can do that chit chat stuff when you have the TIME, NOT when there is someone waiting for something. That was just mean of him to do that.  I couldn't have fathomed serving like that and NEVER did when I served my customers. I made my customers #1 as they are supposed to be. 

If I need my server, I sure as hell do care and MOST people do care, especially if they need to leave so they are waiting to get their check rung up or their check.

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Yeah, that happens sometimes. Servers are human, they apologize when it happens, and there's no need to take it so personally.




I take it personally if they forgot to put my order because they went to chit chat with a friend instead of doing their job. 

It depends on the situation. Do I see them busting their ass or playing around? Do I get an apology? Do I get them blaming someone else when it's their fault? Do I get offered a comp like a soft drink off my bill if they forgot to put my order in(meaning something major like that)?  That's what I would do if I were a server that messed up that I would offer something for free even if I had to pay for the soft drink out of my own pocket, it would be worth not risking getting a stiff over it and it would should I was really sorry if I royally messed up something.

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Belive it or not, some people actually like to spend their leisurely time sitting down at a restaurant, they don't want to receive their food in a rush and leave in a hurry.




Those people shouldn't place their orders then.  I mean if you don't want it in a hurry, don't order so fast.  It's just like the stupid people that complain about their appetizer comes to quickly before their entrée, well a way to solve that issue is to wait to order your  entrées until you receive your appetizer or maybe just a few minutes before your appetizer arrives. 

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I also can't believe you spend that much time writing that entire thing out. You are over-analyzing and over-criticizing this way too much and blowing these things out of proportion. Makes me wonder if you've ever had to worry about anything legitimate in your entire life before.




That's your opinion.  I have feelings and they get hurt, so when servers are mean and uncaring, it hurts. Also, I expect servers to do what I would do in the situations like apologize for their mistakes, TRY THEIR BEST, NOT CUT TURNS(as if they like it when they get cut in front of).  The servers don't realize I am not going up to them while they are at another table interrupting another party's ordering process and expecting them to do it right then and there, so WHY can't they understand that if I am willing to wait my turn, shouldn't everyone else by doing the tasks in the order in which they came in?

For example, if Jane doe's table asked for their check and as my server passed by our waitress(same waitress) we asked for 2 refills.  I sure wouldn't think we'd get our refills first and shouldn't. Jane Doe's table should get their check first since they asked for it first in order not to punish Jane Doe's table's time.  It's just simple respect and common decency. Why should Jane Doe wait longer for what they asked for simply because we wanted 2 refills, huh? She shouldn't.


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