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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23870847 - 11/26/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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as I just explained, it's far more than just pulling table together, it interrupts the flow of the restaurant and the dinner service,
it's a greater burden to serve larger groups,
Oh cry me a river, that's why they should put their best talent on the receptions and whatnot, not the new hire from last week
And when they don't, I don't think the family should be forced to pay extra for crappy service
but when the service is good they should be forced to pay extra. so when you come in with 10 people, run the server ragged demanding shit that's off menu, extra butter, more jelly, another order of bacon, etc... while occupying 3 tables in one waitresses section for 2 and a half hours you dont feel that the 18% gratuity added to each bill of groups like that should be paid even though it's people that are seated in these large groups that cause these sorts or problems the most and then dont want to leave tips at all. they're the reason these things are done. while you may be a great tipper, others in your group may not be and your $5 isnt going to make up for the money should could have earned serving 3 individual tables with a 45 minute turnover
but you dont give a fuck because you're a great tipper
did you know when you walk out on paying that added gratuity you also run the risk of being jailed because it is always stated on menus that a gratuity will be added on large groups and it does fall under theft of service.
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maybe you'd like for restaurants to refuse to seat large parties such as an after reception dinner for the newlywed's families and friends.
If it's beyond their capabilities, yes
maybe you dont understand the difference between "beyond their capabilities" and "I'm and inconsiderate prick that just wants my way"
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Let the family eat somewhere that the business actully knows what the fuck they are doing and the service will be good
you mean like some place that will add an 18% gratuity to the bill for large groups
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They shouldn't agree to it, provide them with shitty service, and then expect them to pay an extra 20% for it, that's ridiculous
why do you insist that the service is shitty?
I mentioned a wedding party going out after a reception because it;s a legit thing, I took a good friend and his wife along with the brides maids, groomsmen, the parents, myself and my date to a place called Aldo's, altogether it was about 20 of us at a last minute thing, they should have refused us because it was about 45 minutes to closing. the 2 severs we had were dreading it but they gave us excellent service considering what we put them through with the demands, I covered the check and everyone else covered the tip even though the 20% was already added to the bill which came out to just over $500. everyone dumped some cash, no clue how much but it was a large pile on the table and we were remembered on subsequent visits to the restaurant
so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty, they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23870856 - 11/26/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Here's an article on tipping I stumbled upon, I'm sure all you tipping nazis will appreciate it,
http://www.upworthy.com/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-tipping-explained-with-stick-figures?c=ufb5
***im not reading it, I already know how to tip
you should read it because clearly you dont know how to tip...
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23870866 - 11/26/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That article says no salary? Do waiters and such not make an hourly wage in your country?
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23870872 - 11/26/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23870879 - 11/26/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Going by that our servers have a higher minimum wage. That's kind of surprising. It's always been my understanding though that most people don't tip unless you go somewhere fairly nice. Atleast that's the vibe I always get when I go somewhere, they always seem so shocked to recieve it.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23870884 - 11/27/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Nobody who is actually a good tipper cares about percents. That is the stuff of cheapskates who pat themselves on the back for giving a half decent tip for excellent service.
I'm an awesome tipper until the bill starts getting expensive.
But if it's just me and my bill comes out to $10-$15, I'll throw down $5 no problem. At that point the difference between a 20% tip and a 40% tip is only like 2 dollars anyway, so might as well just give the extra dollar.
But once the bill starts exceeding $50, I usually don't exceed 20-25%, I tend to stay within the 18-22% range.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23870889 - 11/27/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm so curious about the apartment doorman part. So everybody only tips once a year around Christmas time, and it's usually between $20-$100?
That's interesting, I always wondered about that. Apartment doormen is such a New York City thing that the concept seems so foreign to me. I always wondered if those guys get tipped monthly, or every single time they open the door, or what.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23870898 - 11/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if they report their tips
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23870900 - 11/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Let the family eat somewhere that the business actully knows what the fuck they are doing and the service will be good
They shouldn't agree to it, provide them with shitty service, and then expect them to pay an extra 20% for it, that's ridiculous
What if they provide them with good service, shouldn't that deserve at least an 18% gratuity in order to avoid the staff getting skimped out on?
Larger tables are indeed a lot more hectic to serve, and not only that, but waiters who are serving 1 large table that big will no longer be free to serve any other tables. So the waiters are basically spending 2 hours where their pay is solely going to rest on that one large table's gratuity.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23870901 - 11/27/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if they report their tips
Yeah a lot of times if you work more than 10-20 hours per week, that paycheck ends up being $0 after taxes are taken out. So wait staff literally make their entire living off tips.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23870902 - 11/27/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if they report their tips
Holy fuck, that's terrible. I'm from Colorado:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdle/tipped-employees
You get over $5 minimum, and they have to make up the difference up to minimum wage if you don't make minimum wage in a shift after tips are counted.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
#23870907 - 11/27/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm so curious about the apartment doorman part. So everybody only tips once a year around Christmas time, and it's usually between $20-$100?
That's interesting, I always wondered about that. Apartment doormen is such a New York City thing that the concept seems so foreign to me. I always wondered if those guys get tipped monthly, or every single time they open the door, or what.
it depends on how you use them, if you use them as a concierge service you need to tip them at least weekly and provide a generous bonus at the end of the year, all of it should be in relation to the services you ask of them. a doorman at a luxury apartment can make some decent money with those tips regardless of how they come
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23870910 - 11/27/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if they report their tips
Holy fuck, that's terrible. I'm from Colorado:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdle/tipped-employees
You get over $5 minimum, and they have to make up the difference up to minimum wage if you don't make minimum wage in a shift after tips are counted.
if you're making $5/hr and not drawing enough in tips to make minimum wage then you need to find another line of work. I always pulled $150-$200 a night waiting tables so I never complained about my earnings, that's a part of why I earned so much, a lot of people bitched and customers never wanted to hear that shit. I have seen servers white to customers about bills they had to pay and not having any money and then when they dident get what they thought they should they would bitch about the lousy tip. if I got 25 cents I was happy with it, it was a quarter more than I had earlier
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23870914 - 11/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty, they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out
Hahahaha lmao... I sincerely doubt hostile universe is a good tipper.
For starters, people who bitch about 18% gratuity for large parties are usually not good tippers. They are usually people who tip below 18%, hence why they are bitching about it, because they think an 18% tip is TOO MUCH. Which is hilarious because 18% ISN'T EVEN A GOOD TIP. It's pretty standard or average.
Second, people who brag about being good tippers are usually not good tippers at all, in my experience. It's always the people saying "I'm a really good tipper, so I'll make sure you get a really good tip if you do this for me," who end up paying $4.00 on a $30 check. Or they might tip 18%, which is not a bad tip, but also nothing to run home to or gloat about what an excellent tipper you are.
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
#23870915 - 11/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Yeah, they do. They make like 5 or 6 an hour typically. But keeping in mind, a majority of people tip. Like - damn near everyone.
what fucking country do you live in, the vast majority make $2.13 per hour and the majority of that is taken in taxes based on the national minimum wage or higher if they report their tips
Yeah a lot of times if you work more than 10-20 hours per week, that paycheck ends up being $0 after taxes are taken out. So wait staff literally make their entire living off tips.
now think about this, you have a paycheck that reads $0, you are required by obama to now buy insurance, you reported your tips as you're supposed to and now at the end of the year you also have to pay in because your paycheck didnt cover the taxes
and people want to bitch about how they got charged 18% on a group check
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
#23870932 - 11/27/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so while you're busy running their asses off and swearing the service is shitty, they already know you'll be a bitch when it comes to tipping, maybe you'll also be remembered... I suggest you not return to find out
Hahahaha lmao... I sincerely doubt hostile universe is a good tipper.
For starters, people who bitch about 18% gratuity for large parties are usually not good tippers. They are usually people who tip below 18%, hence why they are bitching about it, because they think an 18% tip is TOO MUCH. Which is hilarious because 18% ISN'T EVEN A GOOD TIP. It's pretty standard or average.
Second, people who brag about being good tippers are usually not good tippers at all, in my experience. It's always the people saying "I'm a really good tipper, so I'll make sure you get a really good tip if you do this for me," who end up paying $4.00 on a $30 check. Or they might tip 18%, which is not a bad tip, but also nothing to run home to or gloat about what an excellent tipper you are.
church people were the only groups that didnt tip well of at all in most cases, blacks were always claimed to be no tippers as were mexicans, imagine a black church group coming in on a bus and filling up your dining area. now imagine that you're cooking with 2 trainee waitresses and one takes the order from all those black church goers and then walk out the door leaving you with a handful of tickets
I can say as a matter of fact, I have not had the experience most people have had with blacks and mexicans, I've only had a table of black women once complain about the service and refuse a tip. I'm ok with that because they were a bunch of chicken heads that were bitching from the moment they came in and they were so embarrassing that their boyfriends/husbands didnt even want to be acknowledge knowing them while they were they, they sat at different tables. they complained like hell when I told them that their food on to go plates had to be consumed outside of the building. I didnt get a tip from them but they boyfriends tipped me generously for standing up to their asses and giving them a few minutes of quiet
I've always had decent tips from mexicans and blacks, even the black church group tipped me well, I gave it to the waitress that didnt run out on me on a friday night in the middle of a rush
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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moonrockmushy said: Just for the record, I don't identify as atheist I'm fagnostic.
I'm an anti-theist
one day I am going to murder bill's god
Then you would murder yourself because you are part of it
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23871211 - 11/27/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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$2.13 an hour is a fairly bleak wage to live on. Are tourists not worse with tipping than the Mexican-Negro-Christian complex? I always assumed that was the case since they don't come from countries that have jobs absolutely dependent on tips. Honestly, there is no way the French tip better than any of the demographics you have mentioned, you charlatan.
HA, the French are actually the worst in the world. Britain is a triumphant second.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/Why-are-Britons-so-bad-at-tipping/
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
#23871407 - 11/27/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:People sometimes punish servers for things that aren't their fault or things they have no control over though. Like if their food is slow to come out, or if the food doesn't taste good. It's really not the server's fault.
Taste you are correct, but sure not slow food, here's why:
Ask yourself these questions as a server:
1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.
2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.
3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.
4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.
5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.
6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.
7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!
8. Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).
9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.
10. WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.
11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.
12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.
13. WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?
1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!
2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in. What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.
3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.
4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.
We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!
I am not sure why people like you actually not thinking about this issue with COMMON SENSE? Please explain??? Do you EVER eat out?
Servers have LOTS and LOTS of control over MOST issues. It's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH!
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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: EllisDSox]
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BERSERK DESTROYER said: the Mexican-Negro-Christian complex?
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