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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23872709 - 11/27/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23872806 - 11/27/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either. I've had a couple snooty servers, and they're usually the ones that come from overseas with Italian or French accents, so I just shrug it off as a cultural thing.

Maybe sometimes I had a few servers who were unfriendly or didn't smile, especially at Korean restaurants, but that's not something that I necessarily mind. You don't have to act all fake happy and bubbly to serve me food.

But even in these cases, the server still ultimately does their job and is prompt with everything. Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant. So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.

Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault. I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.

Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.

People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex. It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.


Edited by Crystal G (11/27/16 05:24 PM)


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23872814 - 11/27/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872817 - 11/27/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

baha'ii' nondenominational faith gnostic real lifer. i tip even if i dont have money,


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23872830 - 11/27/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.




That's dumb. If people stopped tipping, then restaurants would simply tack on an automatic 18% "service fee" to the bill.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23872838 - 11/27/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?




No because servers make less than half minimum wage.  Their paychecks aren't shit because they have to claim their tips, and then the IRS takes taxes out of what they make in tips plus hourly wage out of the hourly wage pay.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23872864 - 11/27/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
be nice to waitresses. Its a hard shitty job. Although I would never supplement someones income just because its "what your meant to do" Because everyone does that is the reason why that have such shitty jobs and can never be paid enough.

Although if a server is super friendly and goes above and beyond there job description I will tip everytime and quite generously because I appreciate that. However if you provide standard friendly service you get the income your paid... seems fair enough no?




No because servers make less than half minimum wage.  Their paychecks aren't shit because they have to claim their tips, and then the IRS takes taxes out of what they make in tips plus hourly wage out of the hourly wage pay.




Exactly, if a server works more than 10-20 hours a week, after taxes their paycheck will sometimes literally be $0. This means that they literally rely on tips to earn their living.

So if you stiff a server, that makes you the absolute worst, that's basically an hour they could have been serving another table that would have paid them instead.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872959 - 11/27/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either. I've had a couple snooty servers, and they're usually the ones that come from overseas with Italian or French accents, so I just shrug it off as a cultural thing.

Maybe sometimes I had a few servers who were unfriendly or didn't smile, especially at Korean restaurants, but that's not something that I necessarily mind. You don't have to act all fake happy and bubbly to serve me food.

But even in these cases, the server still ultimately does their job and is prompt with everything. Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant. So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.

Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault. I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.

Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.

People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex. It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





Its like when im out eating..im not even thinking of the tip. it doesnt ever cross my mind until i get the check. I think quickly "should i give 20% or more" and i proceed to give what i see fit


people that go in and immediately start judging the whole experience based on the tip is literally opposite of what i do :shrug:

and i go out to eat A LOT. i did every single night basically for 2 years when i ran into a large inheritance

if something was 40 dollars..i gave 60-65. If something was 20..i gave 30.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23872966 - 11/27/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't surprise me that the US has this system where the employer foists the responsibility of compensating the employee onto the employee and the customer. That said, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. :shrug:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23872969 - 11/27/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Would it change your tipping habits much if the servers only made a $1 less than minimum wage?


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23873053 - 11/27/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It doesn't surprise me that the US has this system where the employer foists the responsibility of compensating the employee onto the employee and the customer. That said, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. :shrug:



My sentiments exactly, it's a stupid system (especially the special exception to the minimum wage) but I play along if I go to that type of restaurant, which I don't very often. If there were sit-down style restaurants where the whole cost of the visit was built into the menu price of the food then I would go to those instead. If they want to do some kind of performance based bonus system then great, but it should be the employer paying the employee their earnings.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: psi] * 1
    #23873141 - 11/27/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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PatrickKn said:
The whole system of tipping is a racket to play off people's innate kindness to the food peddlers. This food fascism can no longer be tolerated. Down with the food peddlers.




That's dumb. If people stopped tipping, then restaurants would simply tack on an automatic 18% "service fee" to the bill.



What's dumb? I recommended nothing but that the system of tipping is retarded at the very core. Which it is. People informing me that they only get $2 an hour in many states confirms that suspicion. It's a racket.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to tip though. Wouldn't want to be an asshole or anything. :lol:


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23873172 - 11/27/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The system in place at other types of businesses where the customer pays the business and then the business pays the employee seems to work out alright. Restaurants instead employ a system where the business is only legally obligated to pay the employee a minuscule amount on the assumption that the customer will pay the employee the rest of their earnings, but the customer isn't legally obligated to pay the employee anything at all.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23873186 - 11/27/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either.


 

You don't eat out enough nor do you watch your server to know nor do you probably even go over your check to make sure they didn't overcharge you, so HOW would you even KNOW if it was bad or not?

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Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant.




Sometimes not, some are chit chatting and texting or one waitress we had was actually putting on make-up instead of doing it at home before she came in(it opened at 11a.m., we got there when it opened).  So NOT always HONESTLY.

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So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.




That's because you have no IDEA what's going on that you aren't checking anything or paying any attention nor do you probably even count if the server apologizes or not in the tip as I do since I am VERY SENSITIVE.

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Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault.




Quality of food you are 100% correct, but NOT waiting an hour for your food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

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I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.




Waiting an hour for your food is certainly in their control to see WHY it's taking so long if they have done everything they possibly could have to make it come to you quickly. 

We have had as I said above, a NUMBER of times servers forgot to put in orders.  It happens.  9 times out of 10, it's the SERVER'S FAULT when you have a long wait for your food.

They have to put it in correctly into the computer, if they bring it out they have to not forget something and bring it out obviously correctly.  They also delay your food if they clean up before putting in an order or voluntarily ask other customers at other tables how they are doing. Also, especially if they get what they asked for before putting in your order such as let's say another table asked for a bag, but you just ordered your food with your server before this person asked for a bag, by the server getting the bag before putting in your order delays things HUGELY. You may see it as it's 10 seconds, but it's actually competing against other servers and bartenders putting in orders.

Read and weep of a person that works in the service industry that tells you like it really is:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14

flowwiththego said:

“Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can’t tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.”

flowwiththego said:

"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still.  Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-26

flowwiththego said:

"yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."

Another server came onto my blog to agree with me, here she is as well:


www.howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-to-be-good-server-in-restaurant.html?commentPage=4

Stef319 is DEFENDING me and she was a server at Red Lobster.  She had another blog I went on and then she came to agree with me on here. Her blog is no longer there.  MT was saying to hold orders in your hands as a server not to make 3 trips to a computer if you are triple sat as a server, but the thing is, by the time the 1st table's order is even known about, it can be 5-10 MINUTES LATER doing it MT'S method rather than doing it the **FAIR** way as Stef 319 said below:

Stef319 said:
"MT
    "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."

In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold.  The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this.  The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen.  I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in."


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Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.




WHO says it's minor? To you, I guess that's your opinion, but for me, it's not minor, because most of the time the servers aren't even TRYING their best like when they don't write your order down, so then they mess it up, that's PURE LAZINESS AND UNCARINGNESS of them.  When they forget 3 or 4 things off the plate and they bring you your food, OBVIOUSLY they did NOT EVER compare their written order to the food.  When they show me they don't care, it HURTS my feelings. They want us to CARE they only make $2.13/hr, but they don't care about our orders being right.  It hurts.

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People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex.




NO, it's not a god complex. It's because I am a hard worker and a person that is sensitive along with them wanting a good tip, then they should CARE about us if they expect US to CARE about their tip. It's a 2-way caring street. It shouldn't be one-sided caring. 

I know I am not perfect, nobody is, but there's a HUGE difference between a server that is clearly busting their ass vs. a lazy one.  When I see a server not putting forth **EFFORT** into the job, it hurts my feelings that they want my order wrong on purpose because they are TOO LAZY TO GIVE A FLYING FUCK about my order coming out correctly.  It's mean.

It has NOTHING to do with a god complex. It has to do with I want **********EVEN STEVEN CARING**********.  You care about me, I care about your tip.  I don't want the UNEVEN caring. 

I can tell in MOSTLY all cases if something was an honest hard working mistake or someone that didn't put any effort into the job.

This is a good example would be let's say I order 2 mayos, 1 mustard, and 1 ranch with my burger and fries. My server brings me my food and NONE of the condiments are on my plate, NOT a one, do you think the server made honest mistakes? HELL NO, you aren't going to miss 4 containers if you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY COMPARED your written order to the food and made sure you were leaving the kitchen with the right amount of items and the correct items.  Now, I can see an honest mistake if they miss ONE, but FOUR, HELL NO, you can EASILY TELL if the server is an UNCARING, LAZY ASSHOLE or someone that is TRULY a HARD WORKING INDIVIDUAL. For one thing, I have had a number of caring servers bring out my condiments ahead of time so they WON'T forget. 

It hurts my feelings they don't care about if I am happy or not, so in turn they get a bad tip or stiffed when things like that happen.

It has ZERO to do with acting like I am perfect. It has to do with I expect the person I am paying a tip to ********WORK************ for their money.  To SHOW YOU CARE about me, then I WILL SHOW I CARE ABOUT YOU.  It's a 2-way street that should be EVEN.

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It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





In my HEART it happens. I can't just let it go. It hurts.  It's not about micromanaging to be mean, it's that they are showing they don't care and then they want OUR MONEY VOLUNTARILY doesn't make ANY SENSE.

If they don't care us, why should we care they only make $2.13/hr??? It's not an even trade as it **********SHOULD BE************!  When it is an even trade, then they get the huge tips of 25%-30% and upwards or when the service is decent or ok, they get 20% or 15%.  When the service is not good, but not terrible, they get 12% or 10% or 8% something like that.  It depends on HOW they TREAT ME. I expect them to do what I would personally do if I were a server. I also go by if they don't say they are sorry when they mess up something I take off tip points for being mean and impolite.  I tell them "thank you" and ask nicely for things, it should be EQUAL when it comes to that sort of stuff. It doesn't cost any money to say you are sorry. I have apologized to servers when I have forgotten to ask for something, it should go BOTH WAYS!

I can't be you and not care about where my hard earned money is going and also I can't be you to pay someone to not care.  Also, you probably don't check each price from the menu against your check.  You truly wouldn't believe all the overcharged wrong prices we have had because servers are so SELFISH that they don't check that for you as their job is to charge you correctly.  I want them to care if they want me to care back. That's what it has to do with.


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23873203 - 11/27/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:i literally cant think of one time i went out to eat and a server did so bad that i didnt give them their 20% or more.




That's because you don't care about where your money goes, I do. You also aren't sensitive like I am so you don't care. You also wouldn't have any idea if you had bad service(like things go wrong), because you don't pay attention to any of it.

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people like springs1 who even notices their server doing things before this or that makes me think "wow...there really is people like that in the world"




Because I have feelings and you don't.  You obviously don't have any emotions or expectations about the person you are paying, I do.  I expect them to *EQUALLY* CARE about me as I do to them.  They want me to care they only make $2.13/hr, then they have to care about if they do things correctly and in a timely fashion.

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seriously..just tip the damn server and not go back if you have a problem.




Ever heard of positive and negative reinforcement? It works. WHY do you think they have jails or detention? So people can **LEARN** to stop doing a certain behavior and do something else instead. 

I am not going to pay a server well to treat me like shit. If you want to that's your business, but it also is hurting other people like me when you do that, because then the server will continue to mess up constantly and not care.

As far as never going back goes, bad service is EVERYWHERE. What I do is ask not to get certain servers or request to get the ones I do like.  I make sure I am not in hell again the next time I go to that restaurant with the same mean, uncaring, and lazy server we had.

You wouldn't even know you had a problem most likely since you don't care where your money goes, but I sure do and I won't pay someone well to be mean and uncaring to me.  I am an EYE for an EYE type of person, because I believe in ***FAIRNESS**. I don't believe in being unfair to anyone.


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    #23873205 - 11/27/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.


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    #23873207 - 11/27/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:people that go in and immediately start judging the whole experience based on the tip is literally opposite of what i do :shrug:




That's why people get bad service, because of UNCARING people like you that want to keep the bad service going by paying them to keep doing it.


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That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.




I am not a troll IDIOT!


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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: Springs1]
    #23873213 - 11/27/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:I honestly can't remember a time when a server was that bad either.


 

You don't eat out enough nor do you watch your server to know nor do you probably even go over your check to make sure they didn't overcharge you, so HOW would you even KNOW if it was bad or not?

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Even if the server is technically inattentive or I never see them, I know it's because they're running around in other places of the restaurant.




Sometimes not, some are chit chatting and texting or one waitress we had was actually putting on make-up instead of doing it at home before she came in(it opened at 11a.m., we got there when it opened).  So NOT always HONESTLY.

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So, I have never left below 15% even with the worst of the worst. You would have to practically bitch me out and give me a BAD, BAD attitude to make me stiff you on the bill.




That's because you have no IDEA what's going on that you aren't checking anything or paying any attention nor do you probably even count if the server apologizes or not in the tip as I do since I am VERY SENSITIVE.

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Things like waiting an hour to get food, quality of the food, that's almost never the server's fault.




Quality of food you are 100% correct, but NOT waiting an hour for your food, here's why:

Ask yourself these questions as a server:

1. WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each table’s order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.

2. FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.

3. Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrées before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.

4. Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.

5. Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.

6. Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.

7. Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrée is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isn’t covered up isn’t extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isn’t without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DON’T CARE!!

8.  Servers DO wait to put in entrée orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT *IS* THE GOD’S TRUTH! Sometimes it’s TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If it’s another server, it still doesn’t make it the kitchen staff’s fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something that’s obvious. It’s either my server that didn’t put in my order correctly or this other server that didn’t compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).

9. WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.

10.  WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.

11. WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.

12. Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.

13.  WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?

1. Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrées on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasn’t even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasn’t our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVER’S CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!

2. Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrée order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrée orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldn’t have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrée orders when we could have given our entrée orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrées faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrée orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrées as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrée orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrée orders in.  What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldn’t touch it, because we had to order our entrées and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrées because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrée orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.

3. Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that she’d bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didn’t, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didn’t even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly can’t believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasn’t like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didn’t know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.

4. Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didn’t know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING “How’s y’all’s Mardi Gras” “Go to any parades.” See, I don’t mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you don’t take up our time.

We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(I’ll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 people’s drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they don’t, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the server’s fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had *SOMETHING* to do with the delay in most cases! That’s the GOD’S TRUTH!

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I don't punish the server for things that are out of their control.




Waiting an hour for your food is certainly in their control to see WHY it's taking so long if they have done everything they possibly could have to make it come to you quickly. 

We have had as I said above, a NUMBER of times servers forgot to put in orders.  It happens.  9 times out of 10, it's the SERVER'S FAULT when you have a long wait for your food.

They have to put it in correctly into the computer, if they bring it out they have to not forget something and bring it out obviously correctly.  They also delay your food if they clean up before putting in an order or voluntarily ask other customers at other tables how they are doing. Also, especially if they get what they asked for before putting in your order such as let's say another table asked for a bag, but you just ordered your food with your server before this person asked for a bag, by the server getting the bag before putting in your order delays things HUGELY. You may see it as it's 10 seconds, but it's actually competing against other servers and bartenders putting in orders.

Read and weep of a person that works in the service industry that tells you like it really is:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14

flowwiththego said:

“Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can’t tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.”

flowwiththego said:

"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still.  Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-26

flowwiththego said:

"yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."

Another server came onto my blog to agree with me, here she is as well:


www.howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-to-be-good-server-in-restaurant.html?commentPage=4

Stef319 is DEFENDING me and she was a server at Red Lobster.  She had another blog I went on and then she came to agree with me on here. Her blog is no longer there.  MT was saying to hold orders in your hands as a server not to make 3 trips to a computer if you are triple sat as a server, but the thing is, by the time the 1st table's order is even known about, it can be 5-10 MINUTES LATER doing it MT'S method rather than doing it the **FAIR** way as Stef 319 said below:

Stef319 said:
"MT
    "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."

In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold.  The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this.  The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen.  I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in."


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Even if I get food that is different from what I ordered, I simply tell this to the server and they always correct it and then everything is fine. I don't deduct points off the tip for minor mistakes like this.




WHO says it's minor? To you, I guess that's your opinion, but for me, it's not minor, because most of the time the servers aren't even TRYING their best like when they don't write your order down, so then they mess it up, that's PURE LAZINESS AND UNCARINGNESS of them.  When they forget 3 or 4 things off the plate and they bring you your food, OBVIOUSLY they did NOT EVER compare their written order to the food.  When they show me they don't care, it HURTS my feelings. They want us to CARE they only make $2.13/hr, but they don't care about our orders being right.  It hurts.

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People who do stuff like this and calculate everything that's wrong with the servers to stiff them on the check have some sort of god complex.




NO, it's not a god complex. It's because I am a hard worker and a person that is sensitive along with them wanting a good tip, then they should CARE about us if they expect US to CARE about their tip. It's a 2-way caring street. It shouldn't be one-sided caring. 

I know I am not perfect, nobody is, but there's a HUGE difference between a server that is clearly busting their ass vs. a lazy one.  When I see a server not putting forth **EFFORT** into the job, it hurts my feelings that they want my order wrong on purpose because they are TOO LAZY TO GIVE A FLYING FUCK about my order coming out correctly.  It's mean.

It has NOTHING to do with a god complex. It has to do with I want **********EVEN STEVEN CARING**********.  You care about me, I care about your tip.  I don't want the UNEVEN caring. 

I can tell in MOSTLY all cases if something was an honest hard working mistake or someone that didn't put any effort into the job.

This is a good example would be let's say I order 2 mayos, 1 mustard, and 1 ranch with my burger and fries. My server brings me my food and NONE of the condiments are on my plate, NOT a one, do you think the server made honest mistakes? HELL NO, you aren't going to miss 4 containers if you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY COMPARED your written order to the food and made sure you were leaving the kitchen with the right amount of items and the correct items.  Now, I can see an honest mistake if they miss ONE, but FOUR, HELL NO, you can EASILY TELL if the server is an UNCARING, LAZY ASSHOLE or someone that is TRULY a HARD WORKING INDIVIDUAL. For one thing, I have had a number of caring servers bring out my condiments ahead of time so they WON'T forget. 

It hurts my feelings they don't care about if I am happy or not, so in turn they get a bad tip or stiffed when things like that happen.

It has ZERO to do with acting like I am perfect. It has to do with I expect the person I am paying a tip to ********WORK************ for their money.  To SHOW YOU CARE about me, then I WILL SHOW I CARE ABOUT YOU.  It's a 2-way street that should be EVEN.

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It must suck if you feel like you have to micromanage every incessant little thing to the point that you can't even enjoy a night out and just relax.





In my HEART it happens. I can't just let it go. It hurts.  It's not about micromanaging to be mean, it's that they are showing they don't care and then they want OUR MONEY VOLUNTARILY doesn't make ANY SENSE.

If they don't care us, why should we care they only make $2.13/hr??? It's not an even trade as it **********SHOULD BE************!  When it is an even trade, then they get the huge tips of 25%-30% and upwards or when the service is decent or ok, they get 20% or 15%.  When the service is not good, but not terrible, they get 12% or 10% or 8% something like that.  It depends on HOW they TREAT ME. I expect them to do what I would personally do if I were a server. I also go by if they don't say they are sorry when they mess up something I take off tip points for being mean and impolite.  I tell them "thank you" and ask nicely for things, it should be EQUAL when it comes to that sort of stuff. It doesn't cost any money to say you are sorry. I have apologized to servers when I have forgotten to ask for something, it should go BOTH WAYS!

I can't be you and not care about where my hard earned money is going and also I can't be you to pay someone to not care.  Also, you probably don't check each price from the menu against your check.  You truly wouldn't believe all the overcharged wrong prices we have had because servers are so SELFISH that they don't check that for you as their job is to charge you correctly.  I want them to care if they want me to care back. That's what it has to do with.






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Re: Who is more likely to not tip? Atheist or Christian? [Re: PatrickKn]
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That's some dedicated trolling, hot damn.





really? a troll that plays copy/paste of the same thing HE has posted over at the
sherdog forum a dozen times, I bet if you had an account you could find their raid
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