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The rat park experiment is a crock of shit
    #23866398 - 11/25/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.brucekalexander.com/articles-speeches/rat-park/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park

Yall all know of this and if you dont read up..
Basically they say addiction is a result of social isolation and not simply a certain result of the discovery of intense highs.

This experiment is dead wrong when it comes to humans though. Why?
Them rats dont have to work a 9-5 to eat.
Them rats dont have to deal with traffic, or jury duty, or cops, or rude people at walmart, or credit card debt, or high maintenance family, or holidays....
Them rats are some sumbitches and i dare say they aint know how easy they fuckin got it over there in rat park eatin their morphine or fuckin their hoes.

Us humans got some modern shit to deal with.
You gave us a free and limitless source of morphine id wager the majority of us would hit that lever every goddamn day.

I dont know where I was going with this. That experiment pisses me off though


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23866405 - 11/25/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just snort kratom


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Sheekle]
    #23866413 - 11/25/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dont worry sheeks i will stick to the regimen.
Im just sick of them fuckin rats and them scientists that think those spoiled hoe rats are indicative of human behavior regarding addiction


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23866417 - 11/25/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I second everything the op is saying and i dont use any drugs, but right now, with the holidays and the evil bitch of a wife, rent and etc etc etc et fucking cetera ad nauseam, id pull that lever till i could raise my fucking hand, and love it.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: KThunderland]
    #23866432 - 11/25/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Im gonna kick them rats to the fuckin moon
They can rat-PARK their goddamn pseudoscience in a dumpster


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866519 - 11/25/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I hate opiates but if there was an unexist lever most people would pull that shit at some point...to be rat ...must be nice totally jelous.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: KThunderland]
    #23866585 - 11/25/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not the experiments fault you don't know how to live a happy life :shrug:


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23866588 - 11/25/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Never said it was.
Said the experiment is a crock of shit


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23866645 - 11/25/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The experiment suggests that fulfilled and happy creatures don't get lost in addiction.

You say the experiment is bullshit because of modern troubles. Suggesting you haven't adjusted to modern troubles in a way that makes  you a happy and fulfilled creature.

Other humans do adjust properly to this world. Hence my first comment.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Psilosopherr] * 3
    #23866657 - 11/25/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We should make a new one called the sheekle box only instead of heroin in a tube it is a bathroom stall where every time a dick comes out of the hole he is rewarded with a blast in the face.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23866663 - 11/25/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

rbalzer said:
The experiment suggests that fulfilled and happy creatures don't get lost in addiction.

You say the experiment is bullshit because of modern troubles. Suggesting you haven't adjusted to modern troubles in a way that makes  you a happy and fulfilled creature.

Other humans do adjust properly to this world. Hence my first comment.



Are you saying I was not happy when I got involved with dope?
I was happy... Happy as hell, had a lot going for me.
Most other humans substitute morphine with alcohol or cigarettes or pot or gambling or power-play etc.

We are not the bouncy rats of rat park. Its a shitty comparison. The experiment is flawed


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866667 - 11/25/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmmm, didn't see that coming :beardstroke:

Complicated stuff I guess


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23866688 - 11/25/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just wish there was a better understanding of addiction


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866708 - 11/25/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i wouldn't quite call it a crock of shit... certainly there's more to addiction and the human condition than can be represented by this experiment, but social isolation, or even just lack of meaningful relationships, can play a pretty large role for a lot people, even if you are the exception.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866787 - 11/25/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ModestMouse said:
Quote:

rbalzer said:
The experiment suggests that fulfilled and happy creatures don't get lost in addiction.

You say the experiment is bullshit because of modern troubles. Suggesting you haven't adjusted to modern troubles in a way that makes  you a happy and fulfilled creature.

Other humans do adjust properly to this world. Hence my first comment.



Are you saying I was not happy when I got involved with dope?
I was happy... Happy as hell, had a lot going for me.
Most other humans substitute morphine with alcohol or cigarettes or pot or gambling or power-play etc.

We are not the bouncy rats of rat park. Its a shitty comparison. The experiment is flawed




Yea i doubt you were "happy". Happy people dont do heroin. They just dont. You can lie to yourself all you want. But I bet there is something in your life that heroin fills the hole. And im not talking about angst here.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Sheekle]
    #23866889 - 11/25/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
Just snort kratom



Thats a complete waste. Anybody who doesnt mainline their kratom or ATLEAST plug it is a total artard.

I agree with you though modest. Life sucks without drugs. I wasnt meant to live like this. Animals are different than people in this way.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23866959 - 11/25/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dreamt one time that i was pretty much the test subject in this experiment. I woke up one morning and dropped acid. I started seeing rainbows and unicorns and gnomes and HOLY SHIT THIS IS NOT WHAT A TRIP IS LIKE I'M DREAMING!!!

BAM!!!

I've been locked up in a padded cell with nothing but a valve that when turned released more of a fentanyl type vapor into my cell, i layed back down and basked in the opiated heaven. Then i fell asleep and went into some other dream that i forgot about.

If you envy these rats i suggest looking to lucid dreaming and becoming one because it was fucking awesome.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23867052 - 11/25/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
I dreamt one time that i was pretty much the test subject in this experiment. I woke up one morning and dropped acid. I started seeing rainbows and unicorns and gnomes and HOLY SHIT THIS IS NOT WHAT A TRIP IS LIKE I'M DREAMING!!!

BAM!!!

I've been locked up in a padded cell with nothing but a valve that when turned released more of a fentanyl type vapor into my cell, i layed back down and basked in the opiated heaven. Then i fell asleep and went into some other dream that i forgot about.

If you envy these rats i suggest looking to lucid dreaming and becoming one because it was fucking awesome.



I have tried but i cant quit weed for long enough to do it.

Ive almost become lucid twice and i have become fully lucid once but i fell back into the dream.

2/3 of these times i was at a relatives house and was unable to smoke.

Ive tried laying completely still for so long resisting itches and rls and nothing.

Each time i became lucid i counted my fingers in my dream and i didnt have the right amount. Im trying to get back into counting my fingers all the time acctually. I hope it works.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23867071 - 11/25/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I did the finger counting with limited success too.

I find that drinking lots of water before bed, and additional water everytime you get up to pee in the night, makes me remember more dreams.

Also, anybody interested in the dream world needs to read a carl jung book or 10.


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Re: The rat park experiment is a crock of shit [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23867145 - 11/25/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

my proof against this study is whip its. whip its people.


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