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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: philopian_tube] 1
#23869152 - 11/26/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you people really arguing over either or not Nazi's were left, or right wing?
Who the hell cares, Civilization has progressed since then and the words do not have the same connotation they once had, can we all agree on one thing? Nazi's were bad, genocide is bad, war is bad; and it's in everyone's best interest to not see any of these three things resurface on a level of catastrophic proportions.
Trump won, cry me a river; who cares?
But you people are arguing over either or not Nazi's were left or right, as if that is shifting the blame onto that party? No, I don't believe in that Time Guilt bullshit; who cares if ideology matches as long as they don't perpetrate past mistakes. You can want universal healthcare, a fair wage, equal rights and a prosperous home state without advocating genocide, race wars or mass distribution of wealth.
The election is over; can we please stop arguing over stupid shit like this and agree that it's bad to hate ANYONE because of the color of their skin, religion or creed?
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: TNK]
#23869160 - 11/26/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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religious virulence has increased ten-fold over the past while....
that's sad, but in a way, it's...beautiful.
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: TNK] 1
#23869258 - 11/26/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: Are you people really arguing over either or not Nazi's were left, or right wing?
Who the hell cares, Civilization has progressed since then and the words do not have the same connotation they once had, can we all agree on one thing? Nazi's were bad, genocide is bad, war is bad; and it's in everyone's best interest to not see any of these three things resurface on a level of catastrophic proportions.
Trump won, cry me a river; who cares?
But you people are arguing over either or not Nazi's were left or right, as if that is shifting the blame onto that party? No, I don't believe in that Time Guilt bullshit; who cares if ideology matches as long as they don't perpetrate past mistakes. You can want universal healthcare, a fair wage, equal rights and a prosperous home state without advocating genocide, race wars or mass distribution of wealth.
The election is over; can we please stop arguing over stupid shit like this and agree that it's bad to hate ANYONE because of the color of their skin, religion or creed?
It's not even about associating US right wing ideologies with Nazis, it's just the way it is and it's ridiculous to assert otherwise. It just bugs me when people try to twist facts and redefine terms to suit their argument. It's like when they say, "You know who's really racist? Black people." 
The fact that Nazis were always a "right wing" group is common knowledge. Trying to say they're not because socialism is in their name is like me saying, "it is impossible for Hillary Clinton to rig the election, she is a democrat."
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#23869275 - 11/26/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23869289 - 11/26/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fine you guys get Pol Pot though because he was not a believer in Liberal Arts education.
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23869302 - 11/26/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, saying the Nazis were socialists because "National Socialism" would then lead one to the conclusion that North Korea is a democracy because "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Nope. It's not a murky issue worthy of debate. The Nazis were extreme-right fascists,and the alt-right are rebranded neo-Nazis.
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23869306 - 11/26/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: 2 faced bird with 2 left wings
Hitler's was for gun confiscation, yup, that's right wing all right !
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Like the National Socialists, Democrats want to maintain the façade of private ownership while putting control in the hands of the state. Whether a business prospered or failed in the Third Reich depended on political pull – how close industrialists were to the Nazi leadership. Similarly, the Obama administration has come more and more to resemble the “crony capitalism” it denounced in 2008. Companies whose executives made lavish contributions to the Obama campaign ended up with contracts worth hundreds of millions for products that couldn’t possibly be manufactured with private financing. Solyndra is the most glaring example. The private/government partnership typical of fascism is taken a step further. In January 2011, Obama appointed General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt head of his jobs council. Need you ask which candidate GE’s executives will invest in next year to keep their jobs?
Fascinating
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The left has dominated our college campuses since the 1960s. As early as 1931, the Nazis enjoyed far more support in German universities than with the general public – among both professors and students (the later through the National Socialist German Students). Philosophers, poets and scientists lined up to pledge allegiance to the Thousand Year Reich. Hitler railed at intellectuals. The Hitler Youth barbecued books. But if there’s one thing intellectuals like even more than their pet theories it’s the power to force them on the public,
This sounds eerily familiar
***there are far more similarities between the today's leftists and Hitler's party in Germany
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23869312 - 11/26/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The National Socialists inherited a firearms registration law from the Weimar Republic and preceded to make it progressively harsher. In 1938, gun ownership was limited to Nazi party members. Earlier, the Weimar registration lists were used to confiscate guns from “undesirables.” The German socialists feared guns in the hands of their opponents. Starting with the U.S. Gun Control Act of 1968, every major piece of anti-Second Amendment legislation has been passed by Democrats. Fast and Furious, through which the ATF ran guns to Mexican drug cartels, was intended to discredit firearms dealers
Liberals have done a fine job brainwashing people into thinking that the nazis were "right wing" but a quick check of facts shows whose party they are firmly aligned with
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23869329 - 11/26/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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These are just constructs, not facts. It's totally arbitrary. Just because there's a consensus in academia defining a left-right spectrum which includes fascism/nazism on the right, doesn't make it so.


Like I said... these are arbitrary distinctions and there's more than one way to categorize information. Y'all act like I slept through history class and simply can't remember all the indoctrinated beliefs that you treat as stone cold gospel. Did you actually learn anything, or did you just learn to memorize?
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott]
#23869341 - 11/26/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And to further drive home the point... what do Commies and Fascists have in common?
Dictatorial Totalitarianism
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23869351 - 11/26/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's just the way it's defined. Some people seem to grasp on one tiny aspect of a complex thing and try to use it to prove some greater truth. It's like they think just because their brain isn't big enough for two conflicting ideas at once nobody else's is either. It's one of the reasons there really can't be intelligent political discussions these days.
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott]
#23869355 - 11/26/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you're saying Nazism is more left than Communism?
Or is Nazism to the right of Communism?
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: TNK]
#23869364 - 11/26/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and Anarcho-Communists are just straight up bipolitisexuals
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott]
#23869379 - 11/26/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I perfer to see it like a political compass instead...


Political compass website
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23869386 - 11/26/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I'm saying is there is Freedom and Slavery. Liberty and Tyranny. At the end of the day, those are the only true opposites on any so called "political spectrum".
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#23869400 - 11/26/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah you would think it's that simple. That is the problem with conservatives, they're convinced that anything beyond their understanding must be a conspiracy to oppress them and their way of life.
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#23869407 - 11/26/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Yeah, saying the Nazis were socialists because "National Socialism" would then lead one to the conclusion that North Korea is a democracy because "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".
given that democrats are little hitlers/kim jong XXs, it's appropriate
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23869412 - 11/26/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems like it's mostly "My way or the highway" around here... . . .
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Great Scott] 2
#23869426 - 11/26/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: These are just constructs, not facts. It's totally arbitrary. Just because there's a consensus in academia defining a left-right spectrum which includes fascism/nazism on the right, doesn't make it so.
Yes, but the entire reason we settle on an arbitrary construct is for the purpose of communication. The English language is just an arbitrary construct, but that doesn't mean it makes sense for me to suddenly redefine a word. Units of measurements are an arbitrary construct, but that doesn't make sense for me to create my own length for the metre.
It appears that your second 'left-right' diagram is making the distinction between authoritarian rule and anarchy, which is a totally valid distinction in politics not necessarily reflected on the left-right spectrum. This is why more involved charts include both an X and Y axis. X axis comparing collectivim to individualsm, Y axis contrasting totalitarianism to anarchism.
What reason is there to reverse this standard? Any political similarities will be reflected either way. Literally the only change would be to make totalitarianism governments trend to the left, rather than collectivist governments. And literally the only effect that would have is give you the ability to tell other folks that "the nazis were leftist!" without technically lying, and some of those people would unthinkingly assume "hmmm leftist... just like those damn democrats with their socialism!"
Are you actually flipping academic norms solely for the purpose of calling democrats nazis? Why don't you cut the shit and stop acting like a child.
I'm willing to have a conversation with anyone who isn't a literal nazis, and I'm tired of hearing stupid unnecessarily divisive shit instead. All the time. (And yes, from both sides, no boohoos about only picking on conservatives)
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Re: A clear word on Trump, the Alt-Right and the Shroomery. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23869428 - 11/26/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What exactly is your Republican fantasy vision?
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