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Peteyboy
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: krypto2000]
#23868489 - 11/26/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto, do you use a specific tek?
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23868563 - 11/26/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I don't think I did, but they're all more or less the same. Iirc I think I did a methanol extraction first to get a purple goop. I then dissolved the goop in some basic water (I think it was maybe ~300ml of water and 1g of KOH), extracted it with DCM which was evaporated down to yield an amber oil. I then dissolved the oil in heptane, not all of it would dissolve (what was left should have been the nmt), decanted it off to leave the nmt behind and then stuck it in the freezer to crystalize. It would be better to skip the dcm all together and just extract with heptane instead if you don't wish to extract and separate the nmt.
The main reason I started from an MeOH extraction was bc I used a soxhlet to save time rather than wait for the dH2O+lye to leach the alkaloids out, plus you don't need nearly as much lye if you only use it to basify the alkaloids opposed to using an excess to break down the cellular walls. My yields probably could have been better, I think I got around 1%, but I likely did not do the initial extraction as long as I could have. I also wonder if some of these people claiming 2-2.5% yields are half and half nmt/dmt as well though, wikipedia reports acrb as only having 1.15% nndmt anyway in which case I got a pretty good yield.
I do have a bunch of labware as well. If I did not I would suggest throwing your ground up acrb in a strong solution of lye, letting it sit for awhile, and then mixing with your NP/naptha/heptane, doing 2-5 NP pulls, and then go straight to recrystalizing it from there. Depending how much NP you use you may want to evaporate it down some before sticking it in the freezer, I'd aim for 100-200ml/g of alkaloids. You can always crystalize it, reduce the remaining naptha by 1/2 or so, and then recrystalize it again to obtain more goods. The only other thing you could primarily do to improve on that would be an acidic extraction/soak before basifying it but I'm not sure that helps a whole lot anyway.
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: krypto2000]
#23868744 - 11/26/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah i just started looking into real deal lab glass since i had alot of fun doing this extraction. But I honestly have zero experience with chemistry s i am teaching myself as i go. And have no clue how to use these advanced chemistry set ups hahaha.
I used CYBs Hybrid ATB Salt TEK: It starts with a heated acid soak, then you add a heated highly saturated salt solution, followed by a very strong solution of lye. mix it all up and place bottle in double boiler for heat. soak for a couple hours then add Naptha for the extraction. I did notice some white chunky stuff still floating after freeze precipitating over night. I wasnt sure what to do about that stuff cause i thought it was alkaloids but i didnt want to wait any longer lol. I suspect my left over solution has DMT left in it but I'm planning on using it again for a few more pulls.
After freeze and thawing several times it now looks like this...

Looks like if i keep the cycle up it will purge itself completely and be just the yellow crystals?
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: krypto2000]
#23868765 - 11/26/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: If I were selling it I'd agree, but people not wanting it because it's oily or has a color? That seems very snobbish. I'm not saying you're snobbish, I just can't understand why someone wouldn't want it. It's not like it was a synthesis and it's harmful junk left behind, most of it is dmt even, it just hasn't crystallized.
With that said I have always made mine with heptane so that would explain why I never got anything but nice fluffy white crystals. I knew it was better than naptha, but I didn't know naptha gave an oil or w/e.
Its as simple as the experience they had were so much more profound that they wouldn't desire colored stuff any longer.
Kinda like smoking dirt weed and fire. If u have never had fire u wouldn't mind dirt weed maybe. Once u get that fire tho it's all u will truly want
If doing re x w heptane it's only better if done properly and u leave behind all or nearly all the impurities
When u increase purity the change is profound. People who experience with this, know this.
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Raven44]
#23868945 - 11/26/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Raven- I am reading through q21q21's tek. Extremely informative and answered alot of my questions as well. I am really leaning towards the Jim Jam, the full spectrum effect sounds very appealing to me!
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23868975 - 11/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I personally ignore the Jim jam. I consider that info of no use.
I lean towards the fun fest
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Raven44]
#23868993 - 11/26/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really? Do you mind if i ask why?
Do ou think its dirty or unsafe? Or do you just not like the experience?
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23869014 - 11/26/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Yeah i just started looking into real deal lab glass since i had alot of fun doing this extraction. But I honestly have zero experience with chemistry s i am teaching myself as i go. And have no clue how to use these advanced chemistry set ups hahaha.
I used CYBs Hybrid ATB Salt TEK: It starts with a heated acid soak, then you add a heated highly saturated salt solution, followed by a very strong solution of lye. mix it all up and place bottle in double boiler for heat. soak for a couple hours then add Naptha for the extraction. I did notice some white chunky stuff still floating after freeze precipitating over night. I wasnt sure what to do about that stuff cause i thought it was alkaloids but i didnt want to wait any longer lol. I suspect my left over solution has DMT left in it but I'm planning on using it again for a few more pulls.
After freeze and thawing several times it now looks like this...

Looks like if i keep the cycle up it will purge itself completely and be just the yellow crystals?
That's what got me into it. Well, I always had a general interest and I like learning for learning's sake anyway. A year or so ago I just had basic chemistry knowledge and no glassware, now I have a lot more knowledge (still more to go) and a more or less complete lab. It's not too hard, I've made a lot of mistakes and wasted a lot, but it's just part of the learning experience.
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23869047 - 11/26/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No that oil is the oils from the plant you pulled because of heat, emulsion layers, or other factors. They are not toxic if you were VERY careful getting no lye in those crystals, but if I were you, I'd do one more rinse. You're going to lose quite a bit of weight, but end up with those snowy white crystals.
What I reccomend is try smoking some of the fluffy white crystals alone, and if it seems impure, do a rinse. You will probably end up with .5g of pure crystals though.
A warm naptha/heptane boil and decant will do the trick.
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: krypto2000]
#23869063 - 11/26/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love to learn as well and i love trying new things especially when it is challenging intellectualy.
I plan on doing a few more extractions to get more comfortable with the process, and as i build experience I'll be working on collecting glass and proper rigs and shit.
What do you think it will run me for the proper equipment to pull this off professional style?
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Typerwritermonky said: No that oil is the oils from the plant you pulled because of heat, emulsion layers, or other factors. They are not toxic if you were VERY careful getting no lye in those crystals, but if I were you, I'd do one more rinse. You're going to lose quite a bit of weight, but end up with those snowy white crystals.
What I reccomend is try smoking some of the fluffy white crystals alone, and if it seems impure, do a rinse. You will probably end up with .5g of pure crystals though.
A warm naptha/heptane boil and decant will do the trick.
I was extremely careful not to pull out any lye. I even left a little layer of naptha in the bottle so that I wouldnt risk it.
But yesterday i mixed it all up together and put it in the freezer. Maybe that wasnt a good idea? Although the oil has pretty much completely disappeared and its turning into a chunky paste like substance now.
Edited by Peteyboy (11/26/16 01:36 PM)
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Raven44]
#23869109 - 11/26/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its as simple as the experience they had were so much more profound that they wouldn't desire colored stuff any longer....
Lots of folks actually prefer yellow/orange, or somewhat waxy/oily material, over white crystals.
Over the years I've worked with large translucent crystals, fluffy small white crystals, and waxy orange/yellow crystalline material...and I haven't had any particular experience with the translucent crystals or the fluffy white material that stood out as being so different, or so much more profound than the other stuff that it made me only want to use the translucent/white stuff..
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: openmind]
#23869122 - 11/26/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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Raven44 said:
Its as simple as the experience they had were so much more profound that they wouldn't desire colored stuff any longer....
Lots of folks actually prefer yellow/orange, or somewhat waxy/oily material, over white crystals.
Over the years I've worked with large translucent crystals, fluffy small white crystals, and waxy orange/yellow crystalline material...and I haven't had any particular experience with the translucent crystals or the fluffy white material that stood out as being so different, or so much more profound than the other stuff that it made me only want to use the translucent/white stuff..
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Everyone I know would say otherwise
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23869195 - 11/26/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: I love to learn as well and i love trying new things especially when it is challenging intellectualy.
I plan on doing a few more extractions to get more comfortable with the process, and as i build experience I'll be working on collecting glass and proper rigs and shit.
What do you think it will run me for the proper equipment to pull this off professional style?
I'd start with a separatory funnel, 500-1000ml should be a good size. After that a distillation apparatus and either a hotplate or heating mantle so that you can recycle your solvents. From there it kind of depends what you want to do, but various sized flasks and beakers are good to have, a vacuum pump, measuring cylinders, filtration flask/funnel/paper, and pipettes should be a good basic start. All of that would probably be 300-500$ roughly guessing, possibly cheaper. You'll find you need a lot of things depending what you're doing which are kind of specific to your workflow and everything. I'm sure there's some necessary things I'm forgetting, stir bars, a ph meter, funnels, and of course some general solvents and reagents are good to have as well.
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: krypto2000]
#23869207 - 11/26/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright so I guess we'll chalk this debate up to personal preference! I have yet to experience the white stuff so I don't know but I will make it a mission to run a side by side...
Krypto...Dude thanks for that list atleast i have somewhere to start now! I will probably just be extracting DMT, Mesc, and LSA...but I saw a thread on extracting psilocybin and turning it to powder that I thought was quite interesting.
WOW! This stuff is now totally dry and waxy and has maintained its weight at 1.5 grams on three pulls from 50grams of ACRB!!!
from what ive read thats pretty damn good!!
Edited by Peteyboy (11/26/16 02:45 PM)
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Re: first successful extraction!! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23869338 - 11/26/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1.5g sounds like a good yield. If the wikipedia is accurate/consistent it says 1.15%dmt and 1.43% nmt so it sounds like you got a pretty thorough extraction by that.
One other thing I forgot to add to that list which is important is a water/coolant chiller. That can be expensive to buy but you can use an old mini fridge or something. I have an old mini fridge that gets down to -10-0c depending on ambient temperatures and then the little freezer compartment gets down to -25C iirc, maybe it was -18C. Anyway I got a small rubbermade that wipl fit in there and put a gallon of -25f windshield washer fluid in it and a small submersible water pump. Theres a feed and return line and on the return I have it going through a pc water cooling radiator that fits up in the freezer area. W/o the radiator it still works but it does not hold a low temp but so long under load and I gain maybe another -5c of cooling power. Altogether it probably cost me about 60-75$ in parts and can get down to -10c compared to a commercial unit which would be 2-300$ and not even get down as low since they only use water as a coolant.
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