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The NSA
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Enriched coco as spawn?
#23865865 - 11/25/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As I'm just starting out, I'm not familiar with grains, pressure cooking, and proper hydration points. I am familiar however with coco. Its very user friendly as far as, ease of use, hydration,nutrient absorbtion, air retention and acquisition. My question is, are there any teks on using enriched coco as a spawn media? I'm trying it right now because I have an abundance of spore solution, and grains are quite pricy.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23865988 - 11/25/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It won't work for spore germination or spawn, but it will work as a bulk substrate. Grains are pretty much a necessity if you want to grow mushrooms.
Nice name by the way Shocked it wasn't already taken.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866010 - 11/25/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The NSA said: As I'm just starting out, I'm not familiar with grains, pressure cooking, and proper hydration points. I am familiar however with coco. Its very user friendly as far as, ease of use, hydration,nutrient absorbtion, air retention and acquisition. My question is, are there any teks on using enriched coco as a spawn media? I'm trying it right now because I have an abundance of spore solution, and grains are quite pricy.
Interesting question... I'm not sure why you can't use enriched coir as spawn... what about coir soaked in grain water?
Hopefully one of our more learned members will be along to illuminate us.
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I'm going on my 3rd grow and all I've done were gain to coco and manure tubs they have worked great but I think no want to stop using manure and start using enriched hydroponic solution substrates. I know I'm not using an isolate, but I'm going for it anyway. I have enough spores to give it a shot. If I fail, ok. If it works, sweet. You wouldn't know exactly why it won't work do you? Are we looking at a nutrient problem? A grain size problem? An absorption problem? I was pretty surprised about the name not being taken also.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866082 - 11/25/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do you intend to enrich the coco coir?
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866109 - 11/25/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think in order to make coir spawn, you would need to first germinate your spores on agar and use some sort of liquid inoculation technique for inoculating the coir first. And the spawn would need to be made in bags for both mixing it and using it.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Ferather]
#23866113 - 11/25/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Soaking in hydroponic nutrient solution. My formula for this is going to be 5ml emerald harvest king kola, 15ml general hydroponics calimagic,2ml heavy16 roots, and 1 teaspoon Hawaiian bud &bloom. I'm trying for a Lower nitrogen content mix.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866121 - 11/25/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather is gonna have a field day
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Ferather
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866126 - 11/25/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow! thats some outright experiment there, interesting. Given you have live mycelium on the coir you can certainly transfer mycelium. As far as spawn, not sure. Working with fertilizers they can be a problem on their own, such as bacterial attraction.
I recently decided to stop using them entirely, and use tea as a fertilizer, and other reasons.
My advice, don't play with chemicals unless you know what you are doing.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Ferather] 1
#23866167 - 11/25/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not only are you wasting money by using bottled nutes on your canna grow, but you're goona take it up a notch and waste em in a mush grow too! Cool!
Edited by The_breadsticks (11/25/16 02:22 PM)
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Ferather]
#23866176 - 11/25/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Coir is just extremely resilient to spore germination. I've had a coco fiber hut in my toads terrarium for solid year and it hasn't shown a single sign of mold even though it frequently gets wet. Coir is used as reptile bedding which can stay wet for a long time and still be fine.
Now enriching it with plant ferts, that's a different story; but I still think grains are less hassle, guaranteed to work, and don't involve any random chemicals.
With live mycelium li or lc, it would definitely work, but even then I would still put grain in the mix
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I did my research before I started playing with nutrients and carbon sources. Organic fertilizers are worth a look and maybe worth a dabble.
However most of them contain added bacteria.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Ferather]
#23866199 - 11/25/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do coir and alfalfa, straw and alfalfa, paper pellets and alfalfa. 20% alfalfa enrichment.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Ferather]
#23866354 - 11/25/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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@the_breadsticks not too sure what you mean by "wasting nutes in my canna grow"? I obviously grow in coco and HAVE to use nutes. Also all the nutes are salt based. Coco and organics don't mix well with medical marijuana media. So as far as spore germination, I do have 6lbs of colinised grain I can transfer. I may try a spore solution jar, like a pint jar or so just cause. Being able to not have a bunch of extra stuff laying around like a bale of alfalfa would be nice. So I could probably use my grains as masters, and spawn them to the enriched coir. Ill try it both ways.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23866761 - 11/25/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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wait, are you growing cannabis or mushrooms here? coir is great on its own, mycelium feeds by breaking down solid matter, not drinking plant fertilizers. "nutes" for cannabis does not = nutes for mushroom mycelium.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: cronicr]
#23867150 - 11/25/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My thinking here is the mycelium is going to colonize the coir, breaking it down. It won't have a choice but to absorb the nutrients as it does with manure. Just as a cube is a cube, n-p-k ratios are n-p-k ratios. As long as proper ratios are achieved, it should at least be able to survive. If I get poor results oh well, its not like we can't get more spores and this way of life will continue regardless of the outcome.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23867187 - 11/25/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mycelium do not eat plant fertilizers. its just simply not how it works. if you think you're the first to come up with this idea just do a simple search on this site. its been explained over and over and over again.
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Am I misunderstanding the mycorrhizal relationship? I know I'm not the first one to think it up. And ice seen many threads turn into a flame session. I haven't seen anyone finish a grow using enriched media. That's what I was asking about. I searched and searched, all I found were flame sessions. I'm not expert in the field and don't claim to be, but technology HAS to have advanced past chasing around horses.
Edited by The NSA (11/25/16 08:08 PM)
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23867225 - 11/25/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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eeh..seems like it. mycorrhiza is the symbiosis between mycelium and roots. how f.ex. amanitas grow outdoors and why they're (so far) impossible to do indoors. it has nothing to do with plant fertilizers.
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spacechildo said: eeh..seems like it. mycorrhiza is the symbiosis between mycelium and roots. how f.ex. amanitas grow outdoors and why they're (so far) impossible to do indoors. it has nothing to do with plant fertilizers.

Furthermore it also has nothing to do with cubes.
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The jump off from coir would be shitty
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: cronicr]
#23867338 - 11/25/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I'm glad to see so much support. I've been growing medical since before it was medical. So like 5 years or so. I've learned a small bit about microbiolagy. I still have a LONG way to go. One thing I've learned is plant food is plant food. There is differences in bow it is carried. From salt to protein to just about any type of manure there are a few different options. The only difference between rose food and tulip food is the n-p-k ratio. So my thought is that if horse manure (and not 100% ratio) grows marijuana,mushrooms would have similar nutritional needs. I have also noticed mushrooms perfer a sugar based nutritient, but I see a salt base is also possible and helps keep bacteria under control. I'm not saying its going to work, I'm not saying its going to fail, I'm just saying I don't have anything better to do.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: The NSA]
#23867347 - 11/25/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The NSA said: So my thought is that if horse manure (and not 100% ratio) grows marijuana,mushrooms would have similar nutritional needs
Mushrooms nutritional needs are closer to that of a herd of bison than they are to plants.. May as well try to figure out the NPK ratio a toddler needs to grow into a healthy adult.
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The NSA said: I have also noticed mushrooms perfer a sugar based nutritient, but I see a salt base is also possible and helps keep bacteria under control.

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The NSA said: I'm not saying its going to work, I'm not saying its going to fail, I'm just saying I don't have anything better to do.
Succeeding is a thing to do that I would personally weigh as better.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Inocuole]
#23867417 - 11/25/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm very confused over OPs last post... you've grown medical MJ, not medical mushrooms, right?
we are here to support you btw, I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but if you joined an aquarium enthusiasts forum and started talking about pouring plant fertilizers into the water to feed your fish they'd told you pretty much exactly what we tell you now. fish (or in this case mushrooms) do not eat fertilizers.
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Re: Enriched coco as spawn? [Re: Inocuole]
#23867456 - 11/25/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The NSA said: So my thought is that if horse manure (and not 100% ratio) grows marijuana,mushrooms would have similar nutritional needs
Mushrooms nutritional needs are closer to that of a herd of bison than they are to plants.. May as well try to figure out the NPK ratio a toddler needs to grow into a healthy adult.
I was under the impression that fungi wasn't an animal, however not a plant. So it would need both forms of food, plant (npk) and herbivorous (coco). I'm really hoping your trolling about humans using a plant nutritional calculator.
Succeeding is a thing to do that I would personally weigh as better.
I've already succeeded, thanks to all of the information here and with input from quite a few of your posts (thank you). I don't need to prove anything to myself any more. And yes, medical marijuana. You also have to worrie about bacterial infections, Mycorrhizae, beneficial microorganisms. Its not much at all, maybe just enough to kill a batch or 2 of mycilium, but I'm attempting to build on that base.
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