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idiotek


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User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. 6
#23865617 - 11/25/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can we address the way mods appear to have unlimited access to our UC forums? I understand that they can't be hidden from the staff entirely, but can we please clarify what is and isn't abuse of the staff ability to post in any of the UC forums regardless of whether or not they're invited?
Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser of this that I've seen. He seems to relish the fact that he can interrupt threads in our private forum with his own uninvited point of view. It's a blatant abuse of power.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 1
#23867936 - 11/26/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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He is the joke shop beard. What do you expect from a guy that can't take his own beard seriously?
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: imachavel]
#23872413 - 11/27/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only abuse of power would be taking mod action IMO. Only solution i could see is adding that staff member to the no posting list.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
#23872747 - 11/27/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.
I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek]
#23872756 - 11/27/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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idiotek said: Can we address the way mods appear to have unlimited access to our UC forums? I understand that they can't be hidden from the staff entirely, but can we please clarify what is and isn't abuse of the staff ability to post in any of the UC forums regardless of whether or not they're invited?
Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser of this that I've seen. He seems to relish the fact that he can interrupt threads in our private forum with his own uninvited point of view. It's a blatant abuse of power.
If your forum is for OTD vets and he's not one, then what the hell is he doing? It's one thing not being invited to a party. It's another thing to show up to a party uninvited with people who clearly don't want you there.
Cronicr- I don't think the ban list applies to mods in journals or UC. Do these open when you click them?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/296
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22926506
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
#23872764 - 11/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah thats what im saying is give permission to revoke posting rights to staff..not viewing rights but posting rights this way staff can keep an eye out for illegal shit but we cant troll you guys...i dont think we can edit n shit though i know we cant in journals.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
#23872780 - 11/27/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong JSB comes across as an okay guy with his heart in the right place. From what I've seen of his posts anyway. But regardless if he's not wanted he's smart enough to take the hint. I'd think.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Adden] 1
#23872787 - 11/27/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could also agree with that...sometimes you guys need to remember we like to just be posters to...i tell someone to n the first reaction is always"not very modlike"
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 5
#23873051 - 11/27/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If anyone would like to see the reaction I received after I offered to leave several times after accidentally stumbling into an invite only UC forum (I didn't even know we had them), I'd be happy to post it up if OP sees fit.
As it stands, I was treated like an absolute piece of shit for what was an absolute honest mistake on my part. I tried to be understanding, but if anyone thinks I'm gonna slink off quietly after receiving a barrage of unwarranted abuse they've another thing coming. That stands IRL, as a poster, as a moderator, and most overall, as to the fact I'M A FUCKING HUMAN BEING TOO.
I will not be treated like shit without reaction, I was not horribly rude in response the 'abuse' (glad you used that word) I received, I just stood my ground and I have taken no action in your forum that was not first inflicted upon me (i.e - re-editing a post of mine after mine was edited first), nor shall I ever other than to occasionally pop in and post from here on out. Of that you have my word. I mod three subs, and only use my mod powers in those three (I suppose the Pub could be counted as a fourth, but I try and stay out of that unless I see blatant injustice).
Complain to your hearts delight idiotek, you brought this situation upon yourself with your (and others) foul and disgusting attitude. Until/unless someone rewrites the code, you're now stuck with me viewing and posting. It didn't have to be this way, a calm and reasonable discussion could have avoided this situation entirely, but for now you live with the consequences of your actions.
If your complaints are at all warranted, please show me a post where my behaviour was in any way as disgusting or as unwarranted as your own. I've backed the whole thing up in .jpg if you want to present a case to the Admins (and in case you decide to try and change history). I'm happy to take this as far as you want to go with it. I'm also happy to just put it behind us.
As I said before, you know me well enough by now to know that I will not stand idly by and be talked to like a piece of shit. Our PM's back this up. You knew this, and you still chose to act as you did. I have no pity for you and would be surprised if anyone did, should they take the time to analyse this situation in its entirety.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23873109 - 11/27/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It sounds like posting there is a large source of your aggravation. I'm sure a reasonable solution would be to walk away.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Adden] 2
#23873144 - 11/27/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not aggravated in the slightest! Me and another couple of regulars there are friends and regular PM'ers. I've also PM'd back n forth at reasonable length with most of those who gave me the initial 'abuse' in the forum, including OP here, and thought we had worked through any stuff between us. It certainly seemed that way from our PM's. I actually really like the people that post there (even my aggressors) and I like it in the forum they have there. It's just a select few that have a problem with me.
I offered initially, as I have an upcoming IRL meet with a regular there, to leave and ask him for an invitation once he'd met me. I absolutely meant it, I am a man of my word:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Oh this place is invite only? In that case I'll fuck off until Ellis and I meet in person in a couple of weeks and will just hope he brings me a nice little invite card. With any luck it'll be as cheesy as the ones people make and hand out for their big white weddings.
And then I get told to fuck off three times in a row. I mean really, this is basic fucking psychology, what do you think I'm gonna do in response?
I see no issue in my actions, and I have analysed them in depth. What I see is a school playground attitude, of 3-4 people who don't want me in their special invite only club, ganging up and trying to bully me out of there.
I have never, and will never, not stand to bullying. I offered to talk it out and it was shat on. As far as I'm concerned between I and OP, the case is now closed, although I am always willing to admit I'm wrong and am open to reasonable argument from the community.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23873281 - 11/27/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: If anyone would like to see the reaction I received after I offered to leave several times after accidentally stumbling into an invite only UC forum (I didn't even know we had them), I'd be happy to post links.
As it stands, I was treated like an absolute piece of shit for what was an absolute honest mistake on my part. I tried to be understanding, but if anyone thinks I'm gonna slink off quietly after receiving a barrage of unwarranted abuse they've another thing coming. That stands IRL, as a poster, as a moderator, and most overall, as to the fact I'M A FUCKING HUMAN BEING TOO.
I will not be treated like shit without reaction, I was not horribly rude in response the 'abuse' (glad you used that word) I received, I just stood my ground and I have taken no action in your forum that was not first inflicted upon me (i.e - editing a post after mine was edited first), nor shall I ever other than to occasionally pop in and post from here on out. Of that you have my word. I mod three subs, and only use my mod powers in those three (I suppose the Pub could be counted as a fourth, but I try and stay out of that unless I see blatant injustice).
Complain to your hearts delight idiotek, you brought this situation upon yourself with your (and others) foul and disgusting attitude. Until/unless someone rewrites the code, you're now stuck with me viewing and posting. It didn't have to be this way, a calm and reasonable discussion could have avoided this situation entirely, but for now you live with the consequences of your actions.
If your complaints are at all warranted, please show me a post where my behaviour was in any way as disgusting or as unwarranted as your own. I've backed the whole thing up in .jpg if you want to present a case to the Admins (and in case you decide to try and change history). I'm happy to take this as far as you want to go with it.
As I said before, you know me well enough by now to know that I will not stand idly by and be talked to like a piece of shit. Our PM's back this up. You knew this, and you still chose to act as you did. I have no pity for you and would be surprised if anyone did, should they take the time to analyse this situation in its entirety.
The joke shop is in the beard. Right now he is not joking I'm out of here. I'll fuck off instantly. Back to some other forum. Real talk
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 8
#23874153 - 11/28/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there. This is merely a matter of being told not to by the right people/person or having it literally coded in that you can't post in invite-only UC forums without notification on a post or unless you have grounds to take mod action.
Everything else you're bellyaching about is purely tangential to this entire conversation. You're all trying to win hearts and minds. There was never an argument about that stuff. The fact that you're making this into a thing about being a "REAL HUMAN FUCKING BEING" makes me question your stability as a staff member and you've already proven that you're willing to repeatedly abuse a loophole in the rules/code that don't address this sort of thing. It was bound to happen I suppose.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 1
#23874238 - 11/28/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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idiotek said: It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there.
Is it? Where is it written that makes it obvious? The board rules state:
Go away if you are new, probably. Death threats may be issued, don't take offense as these are serious topics at hand. There are no rules except listen to the rules which are don't be wrong or bad. Ratings rapes are 100% sanctioned and legal. Offenders may be banned at any time.
Nothing there, nor elsewhere on that board, states that it is an invite only forum.
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idiotek said: This is merely a matter of being told not to by the right people/person
Is it? I don't care who talks to me, and I respect anyone who shows kindness towards me, yet no one who had an opinion on me being there did. This 'matter' has blown up in your face purely for the fact that I was treated with no civility at all by yourself and a couple of others, and instead with frequent and aggressive hostility. I offered to leave several times when I was told that it was invite only, and nobody replied, choosing instead to tell me to 'fuck off' in lieu of responding to my offers. As such, your opportunity of having me wait with civility for an invite has now passed.
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idiotek said: Everything else you're bellyaching about is purely tangential to this entire conversation. You're all trying to win hearts and minds. There was never an argument about that stuff.
Is it? You clearly made this a personal issue by naming and accusing me in your OP (Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser?). Now that I have expanded on the wider aspects of the issue you made personal, and a few people have +1'd my posts you're backpedaling and telling me that it's tangential and are now accusing me of trying to manipulate people's feelings (win hearts and minds?). If all that is so irrelevant, then why did you you make this thread about me? You could have stated your case in OP without mentioning my name, and could thus have avoided me responding here at all. As I said during the debacle, 'has anyone got in touch with Ythan to get this patched?'. I'm all for it if he sees fit, but if you think you can publicly slander me without just cause, you've once again, got another thing coming. Feels a bit like going round in circles doesn't it?
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idiotek said: The fact that you're making this into a thing about being a "REAL HUMAN FUCKING BEING" makes me question your stability as a staff member
Does it? Question all you like I suppose, hell, tell me I'm the worst mod that ever existed for all I care, I know I do my job to the best of my ability in the subforums I actively act as a staff member in. I've been a mod long enough now to know full well the 'mod-hate' phenomenon so I'm quite tempered to the frequent flak that comes with the role. It's really as clear as day this whole thing is down to the fact that you have a personal problem with me, and I've been trying to put this any such thing behind us since we first butted heads many months ago, way before this issue came up, and I have worked to reason with you in private. I thought we had things settled. Were the last words of your last PM to me not something like 'no hard feelings'?
Mere words I suppose, your obvious personal crusade against me before and since is quite amusing by now. We can take this to PM again if you like of course. I'm a reasonable man and as you know, am more than happy to discuss and debate personal issues.
Would you like to continue? As you can probably tell, I'm quite happy to. Or just perhaps, we could instead shake hands like men and accept that we've just got to live together here and accept each other as we are. I certainly have no hard feelings, so the choice is yours.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
#23874250 - 11/28/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Yeah thats what im saying is give permission to revoke posting rights to staff..not viewing rights but posting rights this way staff can keep an eye out for illegal shit but we cant troll you guys...i dont think we can edit n shit though i know we cant in journals.
He has already edited some shit in there as well.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
#23874264 - 11/28/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Only shit that I first posted, that you then edited, that I then re-edited. And once after only to a post that you made, simply to make the point that two can play that game.
You've edited my posts there a good 10-20 times, LOL, don't be such a fuckin hypocrite Nada.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 7
#23874285 - 11/28/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeez, why the hell do we have mods like this? Someone should really unmod him, this attitude is entirely unshroomy.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23874347 - 11/28/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was well within my bounds to edit your posts. And I only did it just to fuck with you after you were turning into a child and threatening to stay there to spite everyone and all that. You had no right to trespass and edit my posts in there regardless of the circumstance. Whereas I am righteous, you're more just kind of being a butthole about everything. Ask anyone. Now you owe me $27.
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idiotek said: It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there.
Is it? Where is it written that makes it obvious? The board rules state: Go away if you are new, probably. Death threats may be issued, don't take offense as these are serious topics at hand. There are no rules except listen to the rules which are don't be wrong or bad. Ratings rapes are 100% sanctioned and legal. Offenders may be banned at any time.
Nothing there, nor elsewhere on that board, states that it is an invite only forum.
Haha, there's inherently no need to state it. Anyway, it does say very clearly in the rules you quoted there that you are in flagrant violation and are wrong and are an offender. If you weren't a mod you would be banned for your inclinations towards authoritarian social interloping alone. You're spinning out of control. You're the worst kind of cop. Cronicr up there is fucking ashamed of your shit.
I will state for the record that I do believe that you most likely are ultimately a good person and just have a messed up mind though. I am optimistic about your future thought patterns.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada] 1
#23874407 - 11/28/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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$27?
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada] 2
#23876056 - 11/28/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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John Nada said: Now you owe me $27.
$27 in butthole tax? Sounds reasonable. Can I pay in the form of a name change for yourself, idiotek, and revok to 'Don't post in my cornhole'? It might help clear things up a little.
I am ultimately a good person, as I believe you guys are also. I just wish we could have all worked this out like a bunch of reasonable motherfuckers, rather than the ramble tamble ruckus inducing people we were at the time.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 5
#23876148 - 11/28/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I am ultimately a good person
Clearly not. If you were a good person you wouldn't be continuing this bs and just not go places you are not welcome or wanted. There is absolutely nothing to work out, its just that you decided to force yourself on people that do not appreciate you. You should really knock off this unshroomy behavior, especially in waf, damn...
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23876150 - 11/28/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I've been a mod long enough now to know full well the 'mod-hate' phenomenon so I'm quite tempered to the frequent flak that comes with the role.
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Byrain said: Jeez, why the hell do we have mods like this? Someone should really unmod him, this attitude is entirely unshroomy.
Please sir, do tell me about the attitude a shroomy mod should have. I'm genuinely interested in what you think. Some bullet points or something would be amazing.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 4
#23876151 - 11/28/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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idiotek said: win hearts and minds.
He's made it his mantra, because he used to smash heads and be hardcore as fuck.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 4
#23876167 - 11/28/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It should be abundantly clear, but since you are not able of seeing it or are feigning ignorance let me spell it out a little more.
You are continuing private drama that was entirely avoidable in a support forum, you are abusing your mod powers to force yourself where you are clearly not wanted and you are doing this all out of what seems to be spite. I am not saying this because you are a mod, I am saying this to you as a user. The fact that you are a mod is just insult to injury. Please resign and stop showing all of the shroomery your baggage, someone not liking your on the internet is not the end of the world, get over it.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
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Did you see said drama? Do you know any of the back story here? Do you know anything about me from the other subs I post in?
Or are you just judging me here for the sake of an easy target?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 7
#23876308 - 11/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man just give it up. I don't think you're a bad dude but goddam you're annoying as fuck sometimes. Why hang around antagonizing people when they want you to fuck off? It's literally the equivalent of the sheekle graem that gets you all riled up. Just go post somewhere else
There are plenty of other forums/subforums for you to clutter
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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Jokeshopbeard said: Did you see said drama? Do you know any of the back story here? Do you know anything about me from the other subs I post in?
Or are you just judging me here for the sake of an easy target?
Frankly I do not want to see it, I don't care about your drama and would just like you to stop crying about it in waf. Please stop. This thread is about how to stop mods such as yourself from being able to abuse their powers due to a forum software bug. Its not your soapbox. Take it to reddit where someone may actually like you.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain] 1
#23876434 - 11/28/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It became my soapbox when a man stood and loudly denounced/accused me. If you're the type to slink of in such a situation then sobeit, but I am not.
And Malc, I respect your opinion. I know I can be annoying. But that's just me. And one thing I do not do is give up. That attitude never got me anywhere in this life.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 7
#23876591 - 11/28/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just received a PM from a member of our community who went so far out of their way to explain to me their honest and unbiased perspective on this situation out of what I can see can only be sheer compassion and kindness that I've now decided to drop this matter right here and now for the love, respect, and honour that I feel for, and due to, that individual and our community as a whole.
All done guys. I will no longer set foot in your forum. Case closed.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23876659 - 11/28/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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May I also suggest that any current and future 'Invite Only' forums are clearly marked as such by sticky with that title?
It would be a much easier change for us all to take part in rather than having Ytan having to fuck with code.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 6
#23876913 - 11/29/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.
But realistically that's not going to happen.
Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
#23877030 - 11/29/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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John Nada said: They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.
I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.
Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
#23877049 - 11/29/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Only shit that I first posted, that you then edited, that I then re-edited. And once after only to a post that you made, simply to make the point that two can play that game.
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koods said: Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.
So which is it? Can you or can't you edit posts in uc forums? These two posts seem rather contradictory.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: PLURAL] 3
#23877066 - 11/29/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Treana said: I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.
But realistically that's not going to happen.
Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!
One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site, DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth.... I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
#23877079 - 11/29/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up, it does make some of the earlier portions of this thread a bit suspect though.
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CosmicJoke said: One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site, DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth.... I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.
The simplest solution is to not have mods that cause such stupid drama. That way users can enjoy their private forums while any potentially illegal or dangerous posts could still be addressed.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain] 2
#23877190 - 11/29/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think JSB's behavior speaks for itself here. Loose cannon with too much free time and a palpable desperation for acceptance with access to all the "private" places, thinks he's above the rules, etc. He's perfect for the job.
I just wanted to get an idea of how the other people in the community felt about this kind of thing. It's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of all things, of course. It's just a minor hiccup in my experience here. It's just rather obnoxious when your only recourse is to ignore someone over their infantile hissy fit meltdown about not getting to sit at the grown-up table, and their total lack of reasonable thinking in terms of my approach to this as his actions being borderline abuse of a "bug" or a loophole in code, basically. We all knew the UC forums were going to be a paradise for voyeurs/lurkers and the occasional tard, hence we try to make it as private and exclusive as possible and assume we can trust the staff to be mature and at least honor our desire for privacy. Why else make them invite-only if any mod who feels the need can just crash the party?
Instead, this has to be about JSB's personal issues with social rejection, etc. I thought being more or less friendly in OTD and stuff was reasonable, but I would have acted pretty much the same way towards anyone else that did what JSB did, the way he did it. And yes, he remained out of spite, on some crusade to be everyone's best friend using weird logical fallacies and leaping to wild conclusions, etc.
For the record, he was actually told to fuck off, gave a snarky response, and was then asked repeatedly by more than one person to fuck off. In those words. Such a terrible way to treat some rando essentially from the peanut gallery.. I know..
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23877290 - 11/29/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I fully accept my behaviour has not been ideal (although I maintain my actions were not unjustified), and having already apologised in the private forum many days ago I shall repeat my apology here, to the community as a whole.
One of the things said member that contacted me last night most helpfully pointed out to me is that there are many parts of this site such as private forums/journals and members post in them intimately, posting things that they wouldn't in public. I've never set foot in a journal as yet, and this whole affair was my first introduction to the fact that there are also private forums.
As this community is one of the great loves in my life, I have from this situation learned that whilst modship (unknowingly to me when this started) grants me access to these private forums/journals, out of respect and love for the community and its members I shall in future always respect the privacy of those places for the people who post in them.
If the community would please help me in response by clarifying exactly how I can tell in future if a section of the site is private, then I can ensure that I don't make this same mistake again.
So once again, to all involved, and to the whole community, I do apologise for intruding on a private space. Lesson learned.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
#23877338 - 11/29/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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John Nada said: They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.
I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.
Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.
That's not true since JSB edited one of my posts in there. Does he have privs that you and/or other mods don't? Or is this only an issue in that particular forum? This is now officially an international scandal.
I think just the admins having access is plenty sufficient though. Shroomism is already invited, actually. That should be the only real mod you need. It's pretty lame that some random noob can get modded and then be able to even access any and all invite only forums, let alone being allowed the ability to post and edit posts there.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 3
#23877404 - 11/29/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Treana said: I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.
But realistically that's not going to happen.
Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!
One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site, DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth....
It's not so much of an issue as you would make it seem. Were something truly egregious or a genuine liability to the website to exist within a UC, there are administrators who would be able to intervene. Furthermore in the time that I have been here the vast majority of illegal content posts that I've seen have come from the Pub and ODD, or the most heavily-trafficked public forum and a forum dedicated entirely to discussing illegal drugs. As far as I know, nothing that could be construed as a danger to the website has ever arisen from a UC, likely because most of those participants are more tenured and know where the actual line is drawn.
As it stands, giving moderators virtually free reign over UCs is directly contrary to the spirit of the feature. I will say that I have yet to personally witness anything like what was described in the OP, but it is also not the first instance that I am aware of a moderator misusing their status in a UC; if my memory serves me, a moderator was anon checking people in another UC at some point. It's things like that which are ultimately very minor, yet do lead you to question the character of some of the staff members and why they retain the ability to interfere where they are frankly not welcome or necessary.
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I know I should be the last one to jump into this conversation as though I've been so pro-mod friendly during my time here but honestly
Why the fuck are you guys arguing about moderator interference in user created forums? The mods practically don't give a shit if you confess to rape in the forums. Every once in a blue moon a moderator wanders into a UC forum and does some interference against the "prime directive" which is not to interfere. They mostly could care less though. Man, they are going to take the UC forums away and just make everyone host and edit their own web sites. Let's get over it and let it be.
That's all I'm saying. Sorry, do continue.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23877840 - 11/29/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said:
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Treana said: I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.
But realistically that's not going to happen.
Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!
One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site, DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth.... I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.
That's why I said posting privileges, not viewing privileges.
Although we do have our own moderators to handle such things and forward stuff to site staff if need be, so in a perfect world even viewing privileges for mods could be revoked, but we're not in a perfect world and the admins seem to busy to keep a close eye on the UC forums.
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Lets say that illegal or dangerous posts will never occur in every single uc forum you frequent. There is still the possibility that they could occur in another uc forum that you do not go to or have any control over. Its not reasonable to expect the admins to moderate every single uc forum and that mods specific to uc forums will moderate such posts. It is reasonable to expect mods to not harass users in uc forums and to not meltdown over it in waf. The simplest solution is still to remove such problematic moderators when they reveal themselves as not trustworthy as Jokeshopbeard has done.
Another solution would be to change to a venue that you have more direct control over such as your own forum not hosted at the shroomery or another form of communication like irc. This is a bit more drastic and does defeat the intended purpose of uc forums though.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
#23878089 - 11/29/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, fair enough. I do imagine that the admins are plenty preoccupied without having to police UC forums nor can I truly attest to how frequently any illegal posts are occuring outside of those which I do frequent. I do believe that yes, it should be a reasonable expectation that moderator intervention in our forums should be limited to handling those sorts of situations rather than being allowed to post as disruptively as they please.
As much as I am inclined to give Beard the benefit of the doubt time and time again and regardless of my personal opinion of him, I do agree that he has shown multiple times that he is not a good choice for a moderator. This is neither the first nor the last instance of him being combative with regulars in forums with a laissez-faire approach to moderation, such as both OTD and RRv2. Hell, even in heavily moderated "official" forums we have seen him be to belligerent and aggressive. He's often attributed this to drugs or drinking, but then why is he allowed to moderate? To his credit, I have yet to see him issue any actual disciplinary actions in retaliation, but he does continue to be disruptive.
He has reached out to me in private, as I have not hesitated to be vocal in my criticism in the past, and I do believe that he has made efforts to improve. However, he does seem to suffer from recidivism and an insurmountable argumentativeness. He has mentioned there being a learning curve to his role as a moderator but honestly I believe that moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities and not whatever potential may have been assessed in them.
Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
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something super extreme said: Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
And I offered for it to be. I was so ashamed over my actions I offered to resign the next day.
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I may not be ideal moderator material, and I've been going through fucking hell in my personal life this past year, which doesn't add to my being ideal for the position. I also despise authority and do not enjoy being in a position of authority. I resigned from a role at work I was promoted to where I was looking after a team of 7 guys a few years ago simply because I don't enjoy being in that position. I am all about community and team spirit, it is the core of my being, but being in a 'role' like this is not my ideal cup of tea.
But I love this site, I love this community, and anyone that knows anything about me knows damn well my heart is in the right place. I've made a fuck ton of mistakes, sure, but I am learning from them, and will always continue to do so, as long as I'm here. Give it a few years and I may well be an almost 'ideal' mod. Fuck knows, I'll try, I know that much.
Yes, in an ideal world 'moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities', but I tell you what, as thankless as this fucking role is I can't see how anyone with the 'prerequisite capabilities' would want this thankless fucking role if they knew full well what it entailed before taking it on. I likely wouldn't have accepted it if I knew what lay in store for me, and in fact the only reason I did initially was to help a really great friend. There's no actual benefits to me at all for being in this position IME.
I've taken so, so much shit since getting modded, but I'm still here, still trying my best, still learning, for the simple fact that I love this place. And as you have seen from my change of heart in this thread, I am ALWAYS open to reasonable discussion. But I also do not take shit from anyone in this life, ever.
I just wish our community was a little more predisposed to reasonable discussion that it is. Alas, 'tis the internet I suppose.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23878733 - 11/29/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cant mods be banned from journals?... why not user created forums? i see no diff myself...i know somebody blocked me before and i couldnt even view it.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23878901 - 11/29/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like how you Quote:
Jokeshopbeard said:
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something super extreme said: Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
And I offered for it to be. I was so ashamed over my actions I offered to resign the next day.
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I may not be ideal moderator material, and I've been going through fucking hell in my personal life this past year, which doesn't add to my being ideal for the position. I also despise authority and do not enjoy being in a position of authority. I resigned from a role at work I was promoted to where I was looking after a team of 7 guys a few years ago simply because I don't enjoy being in that position. I am all about community and team spirit, it is the core of my being, but being in a 'role' like this is not my ideal cup of tea.
But I love this site, I love this community, and anyone that knows anything about me knows damn well my heart is in the right place. I've made a fuck ton of mistakes, sure, but I am learning from them, and will always continue to do so, as long as I'm here. Give it a few years and I may well be an almost 'ideal' mod. Fuck knows, I'll try, I know that much.
Yes, in an ideal world 'moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities', but I tell you what, as thankless as this fucking role is I can't see how anyone with the 'prerequisite capabilities' would want this thankless fucking role if they knew full well what it entailed before taking it on. I likely wouldn't have accepted it if I knew what lay in store for me, and in fact the only reason I did initially was to help a really great friend. There's no actual benefits to me at all for being in this position IME.
I've taken so, so much shit since getting modded, but I'm still here, still trying my best, still learning, for the simple fact that I love this place. And as you have seen from my change of heart in this thread, I am ALWAYS open to reasonable discussion. But I also do not take shit from anyone in this life, ever.
I just wish our community was a little more predisposed to reasonable discussion that it is. Alas, 'tis the internet I suppose.
The reasonable part went out the window when you forced yourself into a forum without an invitation just because you could access it due your mod status. It's not a shortcoming of the community, it's your lack of consideration, and your tenacity to be forcibly accepted into social circles that you've never been part of in the first place..
I don't get it. You're like the most dramatic person on the site, who interprets his role as a mod however it serves you best. Keep falling on your sword about how you're some kind of victim, etc. Trying your best by doing what? Spitefully hanging around a mostly dead UC forum for a small group of friends that are the scattered remnants of OTD vets? Thanks a ton bro, your contributions left me shambled.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
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Don't stick your foot in your mouth on this thread JSB, you know very well people are loving it.. Let the admins, who actually deal with this forum, do their business. You're doing yourself no service participating. Also, there are two separate issues here. There's a mod complaint forum for complaints about JSB, direct those comments there.... This thread is about ' User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members.'
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#23878949 - 11/29/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes this is becoming more of a mod issue then anything...if the op can make it less personal and focus on the bigger picture maybe we can get a solution...i know none of you at all and strictly speaking about the issue of mods and ucf's not idiotek n jokeshop.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: Don't stick your foot in your mouth on this thread JSB, you know very well people are loving it.. Let the admins, who actually deal with this forum, do their business. You're doing yourself no service participating. Also, there are two separate issues here. There's a mod complaint forum for complaints about JSB, direct those comments there.... This thread is about ' User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members.'
Thanks for the reminder CJ, I'll bow out of this one now.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23879126 - 11/29/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's only remotely "personal" because jsb was the offender who prompted me to make the thread. Nobody asked him for the blathering diatribes and dramatic nonsense. I meant for this to be addressed by the admins if they give a shit, but I couldn't blame them if they don't.
I don't really see what's so hard to understand about this situation.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 1
#23879440 - 11/29/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard your position, but let's get off the personal agenda, feel free to make one if you have one in the mod complaint forum. Otherwise, let's wait for clarification on policies from an Admin. You might have considered private messaging somebody like geokills directly, could have spared considerable nonsense, but let's face it.... Some people around here kind of like that.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23880640 - 11/30/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Direct pm's to admin are generally met with the same silence this received. What's my personal agenda again, besides wanting clarification about what mods can and can't do in UC forums? Is this not an appropriate venue for asking that?
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23881160 - 11/30/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Handling issues like this publicly is best. It adds a great deal of transparency to the process. Additionally the only reason this thread went downhill is because of inappropriate staff actions by one individual.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23886393 - 12/02/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: could have spared considerable nonsense, but let's face it.... Some people around here kind of like that.
JSB not melting would've saved this thread from being derailed.
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