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I know I should be the last one to jump into this conversation as though I've been so pro-mod friendly during my time here but honestly
Why the fuck are you guys arguing about moderator interference in user created forums? The mods practically don't give a shit if you confess to rape in the forums. Every once in a blue moon a moderator wanders into a UC forum and does some interference against the "prime directive" which is not to interfere. They mostly could care less though. Man, they are going to take the UC forums away and just make everyone host and edit their own web sites. Let's get over it and let it be.
That's all I'm saying. Sorry, do continue.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23877840 - 11/29/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Treana said: I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.
But realistically that's not going to happen.
Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!
One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site, DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth.... I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.
That's why I said posting privileges, not viewing privileges.
Although we do have our own moderators to handle such things and forward stuff to site staff if need be, so in a perfect world even viewing privileges for mods could be revoked, but we're not in a perfect world and the admins seem to busy to keep a close eye on the UC forums.
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Byrain

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Lets say that illegal or dangerous posts will never occur in every single uc forum you frequent. There is still the possibility that they could occur in another uc forum that you do not go to or have any control over. Its not reasonable to expect the admins to moderate every single uc forum and that mods specific to uc forums will moderate such posts. It is reasonable to expect mods to not harass users in uc forums and to not meltdown over it in waf. The simplest solution is still to remove such problematic moderators when they reveal themselves as not trustworthy as Jokeshopbeard has done.
Another solution would be to change to a venue that you have more direct control over such as your own forum not hosted at the shroomery or another form of communication like irc. This is a bit more drastic and does defeat the intended purpose of uc forums though.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
#23878089 - 11/29/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, fair enough. I do imagine that the admins are plenty preoccupied without having to police UC forums nor can I truly attest to how frequently any illegal posts are occuring outside of those which I do frequent. I do believe that yes, it should be a reasonable expectation that moderator intervention in our forums should be limited to handling those sorts of situations rather than being allowed to post as disruptively as they please.
As much as I am inclined to give Beard the benefit of the doubt time and time again and regardless of my personal opinion of him, I do agree that he has shown multiple times that he is not a good choice for a moderator. This is neither the first nor the last instance of him being combative with regulars in forums with a laissez-faire approach to moderation, such as both OTD and RRv2. Hell, even in heavily moderated "official" forums we have seen him be to belligerent and aggressive. He's often attributed this to drugs or drinking, but then why is he allowed to moderate? To his credit, I have yet to see him issue any actual disciplinary actions in retaliation, but he does continue to be disruptive.
He has reached out to me in private, as I have not hesitated to be vocal in my criticism in the past, and I do believe that he has made efforts to improve. However, he does seem to suffer from recidivism and an insurmountable argumentativeness. He has mentioned there being a learning curve to his role as a moderator but honestly I believe that moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities and not whatever potential may have been assessed in them.
Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
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Jokeshopbeard
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something super extreme said: Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
And I offered for it to be. I was so ashamed over my actions I offered to resign the next day.
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I may not be ideal moderator material, and I've been going through fucking hell in my personal life this past year, which doesn't add to my being ideal for the position. I also despise authority and do not enjoy being in a position of authority. I resigned from a role at work I was promoted to where I was looking after a team of 7 guys a few years ago simply because I don't enjoy being in that position. I am all about community and team spirit, it is the core of my being, but being in a 'role' like this is not my ideal cup of tea.
But I love this site, I love this community, and anyone that knows anything about me knows damn well my heart is in the right place. I've made a fuck ton of mistakes, sure, but I am learning from them, and will always continue to do so, as long as I'm here. Give it a few years and I may well be an almost 'ideal' mod. Fuck knows, I'll try, I know that much.
Yes, in an ideal world 'moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities', but I tell you what, as thankless as this fucking role is I can't see how anyone with the 'prerequisite capabilities' would want this thankless fucking role if they knew full well what it entailed before taking it on. I likely wouldn't have accepted it if I knew what lay in store for me, and in fact the only reason I did initially was to help a really great friend. There's no actual benefits to me at all for being in this position IME.
I've taken so, so much shit since getting modded, but I'm still here, still trying my best, still learning, for the simple fact that I love this place. And as you have seen from my change of heart in this thread, I am ALWAYS open to reasonable discussion. But I also do not take shit from anyone in this life, ever.
I just wish our community was a little more predisposed to reasonable discussion that it is. Alas, 'tis the internet I suppose.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23878733 - 11/29/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cant mods be banned from journals?... why not user created forums? i see no diff myself...i know somebody blocked me before and i couldnt even view it.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23878901 - 11/29/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like how you Quote:
Jokeshopbeard said:
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something super extreme said: Regardless of that, the spat he had in the "Pics of Pubbers" thread should have been the end of his moderating career.
And I offered for it to be. I was so ashamed over my actions I offered to resign the next day.
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I may not be ideal moderator material, and I've been going through fucking hell in my personal life this past year, which doesn't add to my being ideal for the position. I also despise authority and do not enjoy being in a position of authority. I resigned from a role at work I was promoted to where I was looking after a team of 7 guys a few years ago simply because I don't enjoy being in that position. I am all about community and team spirit, it is the core of my being, but being in a 'role' like this is not my ideal cup of tea.
But I love this site, I love this community, and anyone that knows anything about me knows damn well my heart is in the right place. I've made a fuck ton of mistakes, sure, but I am learning from them, and will always continue to do so, as long as I'm here. Give it a few years and I may well be an almost 'ideal' mod. Fuck knows, I'll try, I know that much.
Yes, in an ideal world 'moderators should be chosen for their prerequisite capabilities', but I tell you what, as thankless as this fucking role is I can't see how anyone with the 'prerequisite capabilities' would want this thankless fucking role if they knew full well what it entailed before taking it on. I likely wouldn't have accepted it if I knew what lay in store for me, and in fact the only reason I did initially was to help a really great friend. There's no actual benefits to me at all for being in this position IME.
I've taken so, so much shit since getting modded, but I'm still here, still trying my best, still learning, for the simple fact that I love this place. And as you have seen from my change of heart in this thread, I am ALWAYS open to reasonable discussion. But I also do not take shit from anyone in this life, ever.
I just wish our community was a little more predisposed to reasonable discussion that it is. Alas, 'tis the internet I suppose.
The reasonable part went out the window when you forced yourself into a forum without an invitation just because you could access it due your mod status. It's not a shortcoming of the community, it's your lack of consideration, and your tenacity to be forcibly accepted into social circles that you've never been part of in the first place..
I don't get it. You're like the most dramatic person on the site, who interprets his role as a mod however it serves you best. Keep falling on your sword about how you're some kind of victim, etc. Trying your best by doing what? Spitefully hanging around a mostly dead UC forum for a small group of friends that are the scattered remnants of OTD vets? Thanks a ton bro, your contributions left me shambled.
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CosmicJoke
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
#23878930 - 11/29/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't stick your foot in your mouth on this thread JSB, you know very well people are loving it.. Let the admins, who actually deal with this forum, do their business. You're doing yourself no service participating. Also, there are two separate issues here. There's a mod complaint forum for complaints about JSB, direct those comments there.... This thread is about ' User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members.'
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#23878949 - 11/29/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes this is becoming more of a mod issue then anything...if the op can make it less personal and focus on the bigger picture maybe we can get a solution...i know none of you at all and strictly speaking about the issue of mods and ucf's not idiotek n jokeshop.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23878994 - 11/29/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Don't stick your foot in your mouth on this thread JSB, you know very well people are loving it.. Let the admins, who actually deal with this forum, do their business. You're doing yourself no service participating. Also, there are two separate issues here. There's a mod complaint forum for complaints about JSB, direct those comments there.... This thread is about ' User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members.'
Thanks for the reminder CJ, I'll bow out of this one now.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23879126 - 11/29/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's only remotely "personal" because jsb was the offender who prompted me to make the thread. Nobody asked him for the blathering diatribes and dramatic nonsense. I meant for this to be addressed by the admins if they give a shit, but I couldn't blame them if they don't.
I don't really see what's so hard to understand about this situation.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] 1
#23879440 - 11/29/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard your position, but let's get off the personal agenda, feel free to make one if you have one in the mod complaint forum. Otherwise, let's wait for clarification on policies from an Admin. You might have considered private messaging somebody like geokills directly, could have spared considerable nonsense, but let's face it.... Some people around here kind of like that.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23880640 - 11/30/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Direct pm's to admin are generally met with the same silence this received. What's my personal agenda again, besides wanting clarification about what mods can and can't do in UC forums? Is this not an appropriate venue for asking that?
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Byrain

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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23881160 - 11/30/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Handling issues like this publicly is best. It adds a great deal of transparency to the process. Additionally the only reason this thread went downhill is because of inappropriate staff actions by one individual.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#23886393 - 12/02/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: could have spared considerable nonsense, but let's face it.... Some people around here kind of like that.
JSB not melting would've saved this thread from being derailed.
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