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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 5
    #23876148 - 11/28/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I am ultimately a good person




Clearly not. If you were a good person you wouldn't be continuing this bs and just not go places you are not welcome or wanted. There is absolutely nothing to work out, its just that you decided to force yourself on people that do not appreciate you. You should really knock off this unshroomy behavior, especially in waf, damn...


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23876150 - 11/28/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I've been a mod long enough now to know full well the 'mod-hate' phenomenon so I'm quite tempered to the frequent flak that comes with the role.



Quote:

Byrain said:
Jeez, why the hell do we have mods like this? Someone should really unmod him, this attitude is entirely unshroomy.



Please sir, do tell me about the attitude a shroomy mod should have. I'm genuinely interested in what you think. Some bullet points or something would be amazing.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] * 4
    #23876151 - 11/28/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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idiotek said:
win hearts and minds.




He's made it his mantra, because he used to smash heads and be hardcore as fuck.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 4
    #23876167 - 11/28/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It should be abundantly clear, but since you are not able of seeing it or are feigning ignorance let me spell it out a little more.

You are continuing private drama that was entirely avoidable in a support forum, you are abusing your mod powers to force yourself where you are clearly not wanted and you are doing this all out of what seems to be spite. I am not saying this because you are a mod, I am saying this to you as a user. The fact that you are a mod is just insult to injury. Please resign and stop showing all of the shroomery your baggage, someone not liking your on the internet is not the end of the world, get over it.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
    #23876235 - 11/28/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you see said drama? Do you know any of the back story here? Do you know anything about me from the other subs I post in?

Or are you just judging me here for the sake of an easy target?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 7
    #23876308 - 11/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Man just give it up. I don't think you're a bad dude but goddam you're annoying as fuck sometimes. Why hang around antagonizing people when they want you to fuck off? It's literally the equivalent of the sheekle :laugh2: graem that gets you all riled up. Just go post somewhere else :shrug:

There are plenty of other forums/subforums for you to clutter


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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InvisibleByrain

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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23876342 - 11/28/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Did you see said drama? Do you know any of the back story here? Do you know anything about me from the other subs I post in?

Or are you just judging me here for the sake of an easy target?




Frankly I do not want to see it, I don't care about your drama and would just like you to stop crying about it in waf. Please stop. This thread is about how to stop mods such as yourself from being able to abuse their powers due to a forum software bug. Its not your soapbox. Take it to reddit where someone may actually like you.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain] * 1
    #23876434 - 11/28/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It became my soapbox when a man stood and loudly denounced/accused me. If you're the type to slink of in such a situation then sobeit, but I am not.

And Malc, I respect your opinion. I know I can be annoying. But that's just me. And one thing I do not do is give up. That attitude never got me anywhere in this life.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 7
    #23876591 - 11/28/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just received a PM from a member of our community who went so far out of their way to explain to me their honest and unbiased perspective on this situation out of what I can see can only be sheer compassion and kindness that I've now decided to drop this matter right here and now for the love, respect, and honour that I feel for, and due to, that individual and our community as a whole.

All done guys. I will no longer set foot in your forum. Case closed.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23876659 - 11/28/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

May I also suggest that any current and future 'Invite Only' forums are clearly marked as such by sticky with that title?

It would be a much easier change for us all to take part in rather than having Ytan having to fuck with code.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] * 6
    #23876913 - 11/29/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.

But realistically that's not going to happen.

Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
    #23877030 - 11/29/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

John Nada said:
They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.

I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.




Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.


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InvisibleByrain

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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
    #23877049 - 11/29/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Only shit that I first posted, that you then edited, that I then re-edited. And once after only to a post that you made, simply to make the point that two can play that game.




Quote:

koods said:
Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.




So which is it? Can you or can't you edit posts in uc forums? These two posts seem rather contradictory.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain]
    #23877062 - 11/29/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: PLURAL] * 3
    #23877066 - 11/29/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Treana said:
I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.

But realistically that's not going to happen.

Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!




One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site,  DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth....  I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
    #23877079 - 11/29/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up, it does make some of the earlier portions of this thread a bit suspect though.

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CosmicJoke said:
One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site,  DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth....  I mean, a happy medium where you could prevent us from posting, but not from editing and deleting serious problem posts would be fair I think.




The simplest solution is to not have mods that cause such stupid drama. That way users can enjoy their private forums while any potentially illegal or dangerous posts could still be addressed.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Byrain] * 2
    #23877190 - 11/29/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think JSB's behavior speaks for itself here.  Loose cannon with too much free time and a palpable desperation for acceptance with access to all the "private" places, thinks he's above the rules, etc.  He's perfect for the job.

I just wanted to get an idea of how the other people in the community felt about this kind of thing.  It's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of all things, of course.  It's just a minor hiccup in my experience here.  It's just rather obnoxious when your only recourse is to ignore someone over their infantile hissy fit meltdown about not getting to sit at the grown-up table, and their total lack of reasonable thinking in terms of my approach to this as his actions being borderline abuse of a "bug" or a loophole in code, basically.  We all knew the UC forums were going to be a paradise for voyeurs/lurkers and the occasional tard, hence we try to make it as private and exclusive as possible and assume we can trust the staff to be mature and at least honor our desire for privacy.  Why else make them invite-only if any mod who feels the need can just crash the party? 

Instead, this has to be about JSB's personal issues with social rejection, etc.  I thought being more or less friendly in OTD and stuff was reasonable, but I would have acted pretty much the same way towards anyone else that did what JSB did, the way he did it.  And yes, he remained out of spite, on some crusade to be everyone's best friend using weird logical fallacies and leaping to wild conclusions, etc.

For the record, he was actually told to fuck off, gave a snarky response, and was then asked repeatedly by more than one person to fuck off.  In those words.  Such a terrible way to treat some rando essentially from the peanut gallery.. I know..


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23877290 - 11/29/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I fully accept my behaviour has not been ideal (although I maintain my actions were not unjustified), and having already apologised in the private forum many days ago I shall repeat my apology here, to the community as a whole.

One of the things said member that contacted me last night most helpfully pointed out to me is that there are many parts of this site such as private forums/journals and members post in them intimately, posting things that they wouldn't in public. I've never set foot in a journal as yet, and this whole affair was my first introduction to the fact that there are also private forums.

As this community is one of the great loves in my life, I have from this situation learned that whilst modship (unknowingly to me when this started) grants me access to these private forums/journals, out of respect and love for the community and its members I shall in future always respect the privacy of those places for the people who post in them.

If the community would please help me in response by clarifying exactly how I can tell in future if a section of the site is private, then I can ensure that I don't make this same mistake again.

So once again, to all involved, and to the whole community, I do apologise for intruding on a private space. Lesson learned.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: koods]
    #23877338 - 11/29/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

John Nada said:
They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.

I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.




Mods can't edit posts in UC forums. We can delete entire threads but not individual posts.





That's not true since JSB edited one of my posts in there. Does he have privs that you and/or other mods don't? Or is this only an issue in that particular forum? This is now officially an international scandal.


I think just the admins having access is plenty sufficient though. Shroomism is already invited, actually. That should be the only real mod you need. It's pretty lame that some random noob can get modded and then be able to even access any and all invite only forums, let alone being allowed the ability to post and edit posts there.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: CosmicJoke] * 3
    #23877404 - 11/29/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
Quote:

Treana said:
I think UC mods being able to revoke posting privileges of site moderators in UC forums, especially Invite-Only ones is a great idea.

But realistically that's not going to happen.

Allowing mere users to have the tiniest amount of authority over of a site mod? NEVER!




One of the bigger problems I see with that is that users could be posting things that are total liabilities to this site,  DNM/RC sites and vendors and reviews and so forth.... 




It's not so much of an issue as you would make it seem. Were something truly egregious or a genuine liability to the website to exist within a UC, there are administrators who would be able to intervene.
Furthermore in the time that I have been here the vast majority of illegal content posts that I've seen have come from the Pub and ODD, or the most heavily-trafficked public forum and a forum dedicated entirely to discussing illegal drugs. As far as I know, nothing that could be construed as a danger to the website has ever arisen from a UC, likely because most of those participants are more tenured and know where the actual line is drawn.

As it stands, giving moderators virtually free reign over UCs is directly contrary to the spirit of the feature.
I will say that I have yet to personally witness anything like what was described in the OP, but it is also not the first instance that I am aware of a moderator misusing their status in a UC; if my memory serves me, a moderator was anon checking people in another UC at some point.
It's things like that which are ultimately very minor, yet do lead you to question the character of some of the staff members and why they retain the ability to interfere where they are frankly not welcome or necessary.


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