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User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. * 6
    #23865617 - 11/25/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Can we address the way mods appear to have unlimited access to our UC forums?  I understand that they can't be hidden from the staff entirely, but can we please clarify what is and isn't abuse of the staff ability to post in any of the UC forums regardless of whether or not they're invited?

Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser of this that I've seen.  He seems to relish the fact that he can interrupt threads in our private forum with his own uninvited point of view.  It's a blatant abuse of power.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] * 1
    #23867936 - 11/26/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He is the joke shop beard. What do you expect from a guy that can't take his own beard seriously?


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: imachavel]
    #23872413 - 11/27/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The only abuse of power would be taking mod action IMO.
Only solution i could see is adding that staff member to the no posting list.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
    #23872747 - 11/27/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They can still post even when added to the ban list. And they can edit posts or do whatever else. They can basically override all UC stuff currently.

I think it would be sufficient for only the admins to have full access.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek]
    #23872756 - 11/27/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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idiotek said:
Can we address the way mods appear to have unlimited access to our UC forums?  I understand that they can't be hidden from the staff entirely, but can we please clarify what is and isn't abuse of the staff ability to post in any of the UC forums regardless of whether or not they're invited?

Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser of this that I've seen.  He seems to relish the fact that he can interrupt threads in our private forum with his own uninvited point of view.  It's a blatant abuse of power.




If your forum is for OTD vets and he's not one, then what the hell is he doing? It's one thing not being invited to a party. It's another thing to show up to a party uninvited with people who clearly don't want you there.

Cronicr- I don't think the ban list applies to mods in journals or UC. Do these open when you click them?

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/296

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22926506


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
    #23872764 - 11/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah thats what im saying is give permission to revoke posting rights to staff..not viewing rights but posting rights this way staff can keep an eye out for illegal shit but we cant troll you guys...i dont think we can edit n shit though i know we cant in journals.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
    #23872780 - 11/27/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't get me wrong JSB comes across as an okay guy with his heart in the right place. From what I've seen of his posts anyway. But regardless if he's not wanted he's smart enough to take the hint. I'd think.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Adden] * 1
    #23872787 - 11/27/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I could also agree with that...sometimes you guys need to remember we like to just be posters to...i tell someone to:shutthefuckup: n the first reaction is always"not very modlike"


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] * 5
    #23873051 - 11/27/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If anyone would like to see the reaction I received after I offered to leave several times after accidentally stumbling into an invite only UC forum (I didn't even know we had them), I'd be happy to post it up if OP sees fit.

As it stands, I was treated like an absolute piece of shit for what was an absolute honest mistake on my part. I tried to be understanding, but if anyone thinks I'm gonna slink off quietly after receiving a barrage of unwarranted abuse they've another thing coming. That stands IRL, as a poster, as a moderator, and most overall, as to the fact I'M A FUCKING HUMAN BEING TOO.

I will not be treated like shit without reaction, I was not horribly rude in response the 'abuse' (glad you used that word) I received, I just stood my ground and I have taken no action in your forum that was not first inflicted upon me (i.e - re-editing a post of mine after mine was edited first), nor shall I ever other than to occasionally pop in and post from here on out. Of that you have my word. I mod three subs, and only use my mod powers in those three (I suppose the Pub could be counted as a fourth, but I try and stay out of that unless I see blatant injustice).

Complain to your hearts delight idiotek, you brought this situation upon yourself with your (and others) foul and disgusting attitude. Until/unless someone rewrites the code, you're now stuck with me viewing and posting. It didn't have to be this way, a calm and reasonable discussion could have avoided this situation entirely, but for now you live with the consequences of your actions.

If your complaints are at all warranted, please show me a post where my behaviour was in any way as disgusting or as unwarranted as your own. I've backed the whole thing up in .jpg if you want to present a case to the Admins (and in case you decide to try and change history). I'm happy to take this as far as you want to go with it. I'm also happy to just put it behind us.

As I said before, you know me well enough by now to know that I will not stand idly by and be talked to like a piece of shit. Our PM's back this up. You knew this, and you still chose to act as you did. I have no pity for you and would be surprised if anyone did, should they take the time to analyse this situation in its entirety.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23873109 - 11/27/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:

It sounds like posting there is a large source of your aggravation. I'm sure a reasonable solution would be to walk away.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Adden] * 2
    #23873144 - 11/27/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not aggravated in the slightest! Me and another couple of regulars there are friends and regular PM'ers. I've also PM'd back n forth at reasonable length with most of those who gave me the initial 'abuse' in the forum, including OP here, and thought we had worked through any stuff between us. It certainly seemed that way from our PM's. I actually really like the people that post there (even my aggressors) and I like it in the forum they have there. It's just a select few that have a problem with me.

I offered initially, as I have an upcoming IRL meet with a regular there, to leave and ask him for an invitation once he'd met me. I absolutely meant it, I am a man of my word:

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Oh this place is invite only? In that case I'll fuck off until Ellis and I meet in person in a couple of weeks and will just hope he brings me a nice little invite card. With any luck it'll be as cheesy as the ones people make and hand out for their big white weddings.



And then I get told to fuck off three times in a row. I mean really, this is basic fucking psychology, what do you think I'm gonna do in response?

I see no issue in my actions, and I have analysed them in depth. What I see is a school playground attitude, of 3-4 people who don't want me in their special invite only club, ganging up and trying to bully me out of there.

I have never, and will never, not stand to bullying. I offered to talk it out and it was shat on. As far as I'm concerned between I and OP, the case is now closed, although I am always willing to admit I'm wrong and am open to reasonable argument from the community.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23873281 - 11/27/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If anyone would like to see the reaction I received after I offered to leave several times after accidentally stumbling into an invite only UC forum (I didn't even know we had them), I'd be happy to post links.

As it stands, I was treated like an absolute piece of shit for what was an absolute honest mistake on my part. I tried to be understanding, but if anyone thinks I'm gonna slink off quietly after receiving a barrage of unwarranted abuse they've another thing coming. That stands IRL, as a poster, as a moderator, and most overall, as to the fact I'M A FUCKING HUMAN BEING TOO.

I will not be treated like shit without reaction, I was not horribly rude in response the 'abuse' (glad you used that word) I received, I just stood my ground and I have taken no action in your forum that was not first inflicted upon me (i.e - editing a post after mine was edited first), nor shall I ever other than to occasionally pop in and post from here on out. Of that you have my word. I mod three subs, and only use my mod powers in those three (I suppose the Pub could be counted as a fourth, but I try and stay out of that unless I see blatant injustice).

Complain to your hearts delight idiotek, you brought this situation upon yourself with your (and others) foul and disgusting attitude. Until/unless someone rewrites the code, you're now stuck with me viewing and posting. It didn't have to be this way, a calm and reasonable discussion could have avoided this situation entirely, but for now you live with the consequences of your actions.

If your complaints are at all warranted, please show me a post where my behaviour was in any way as disgusting or as unwarranted as your own. I've backed the whole thing up in .jpg if you want to present a case to the Admins (and in case you decide to try and change history). I'm happy to take this as far as you want to go with it.

As I said before, you know me well enough by now to know that I will not stand idly by and be talked to like a piece of shit. Our PM's back this up. You knew this, and you still chose to act as you did. I have no pity for you and would be surprised if anyone did, should they take the time to analyse this situation in its entirety.




The joke shop is in the beard. Right now he is not joking :shrug: I'm out of here. I'll fuck off instantly. Back to some other forum. Real talk


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 8
    #23874153 - 11/28/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there.  This is merely a matter of being told not to by the right people/person or having it literally coded in that you can't post in invite-only UC forums without notification on a post or unless you have grounds to take mod action.

Everything else you're bellyaching about is purely tangential to this entire conversation.  You're all trying to win hearts and minds.  There was never an argument about that stuff.  The fact that you're making this into a thing about being a "REAL HUMAN FUCKING BEING" makes me question your stability as a staff member and you've already proven that you're willing to repeatedly abuse a loophole in the rules/code that don't address this sort of thing.  It was bound to happen I suppose.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: idiotek] * 1
    #23874238 - 11/28/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there.



Is it? Where is it written that makes it obvious? The board rules state:

Go away if you are new, probably. Death threats may be issued, don't take offense as these are serious topics at hand. There are no rules except listen to the rules which are don't be wrong or bad. Ratings rapes are 100% sanctioned and legal. Offenders may be banned at any time.

Nothing there, nor elsewhere on that board, states that it is an invite only forum.


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This is merely a matter of being told not to by the right people/person



Is it? I don't care who talks to me, and I respect anyone who shows kindness towards me, yet no one who had an opinion on me being there did. This 'matter' has blown up in your face purely for the fact that I was treated with no civility at all by yourself and a couple of others, and instead with frequent and aggressive hostility. I offered to leave several times when I was told that it was invite only, and nobody replied, choosing instead to tell me to 'fuck off' in lieu of responding to my offers. As such, your opportunity of having me wait with civility for an invite has now passed.


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Everything else you're bellyaching about is purely tangential to this entire conversation.  You're all trying to win hearts and minds.  There was never an argument about that stuff.



Is it? You clearly made this a personal issue by naming and accusing me in your OP (Jokeshopbeard is the worst abuser?). Now that I have expanded on the wider aspects of the issue you made personal, and a few people have +1'd my posts you're backpedaling and telling me that it's tangential and are now accusing me of trying to manipulate people's feelings (win hearts and minds?). If all that is so irrelevant, then why did you you make this thread about me? You could have stated your case in OP without mentioning my name, and could thus have avoided me responding here at all. As I said during the debacle, 'has anyone got in touch with Ythan to get this patched?'. I'm all for it if he sees fit, but if you think you can publicly slander me without just cause, you've once again, got another thing coming. Feels a bit like going round in circles doesn't it?


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The fact that you're making this into a thing about being a "REAL HUMAN FUCKING BEING" makes me question your stability as a staff member



Does it? Question all you like I suppose, hell, tell me I'm the worst mod that ever existed for all I care, I know I do my job to the best of my ability in the subforums I actively act as a staff member in. I've been a mod long enough now to know full well the 'mod-hate' phenomenon so I'm quite tempered to the frequent flak that comes with the role. It's really as clear as day this whole thing is down to the fact that you have a personal problem with me, and I've been trying to put this any such thing behind us since we first butted heads many months ago, way before this issue came up, and I have worked to reason with you in private. I thought we had things settled. Were the last words of your last PM to me not something like 'no hard feelings'?

Mere words I suppose, your obvious personal crusade against me before and since is quite amusing by now. We can take this to PM again if you like of course. I'm a reasonable man and as you know, am more than happy to discuss and debate personal issues.

Would you like to continue? As you can probably tell, I'm quite happy to. Or just perhaps, we could instead shake hands like men and accept that we've just got to live together here and accept each other as we are. I certainly have no hard feelings, so the choice is yours.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: cronicr]
    #23874250 - 11/28/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah thats what im saying is give permission to revoke posting rights to staff..not viewing rights but posting rights this way staff can keep an eye out for illegal shit but we cant troll you guys...i dont think we can edit n shit though i know we cant in journals.





He has already edited some shit in there as well.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada]
    #23874264 - 11/28/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Only shit that I first posted, that you then edited, that I then re-edited. And once after only to a post that you made, simply to make the point that two can play that game.

You've edited my posts there a good 10-20 times, LOL, don't be such a fuckin hypocrite Nada.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 7
    #23874285 - 11/28/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Jeez, why the hell do we have mods like this? Someone should really unmod him, this attitude is entirely unshroomy.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23874347 - 11/28/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was well within my bounds to edit your posts. And I only did it just to fuck with you after you were turning into a child and threatening to stay there to spite everyone and all that. You had no right to trespass and edit my posts in there regardless of the circumstance. Whereas I am righteous, you're more just kind of being a butthole about everything. Ask anyone. Now you owe me $27.

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Quote:

idiotek said:
It's obvious that you aren't intended to be able to post in there.



Is it? Where is it written that makes it obvious? The board rules state:
Go away if you are new, probably. Death threats may be issued, don't take offense as these are serious topics at hand. There are no rules except listen to the rules which are don't be wrong or bad. Ratings rapes are 100% sanctioned and legal. Offenders may be banned at any time.

Nothing there, nor elsewhere on that board, states that it is an invite only forum.






Haha, there's inherently no need to state it. Anyway, it does say very clearly in the rules you quoted there that you are in flagrant violation and are wrong and are an offender. If you weren't a mod you would be banned for your inclinations towards authoritarian social interloping alone. You're spinning out of control. You're the worst kind of cop. Cronicr up there is fucking ashamed of your shit.


I will state for the record that I do believe that you most likely are ultimately a good person and just have a messed up mind though. I am optimistic about your future thought patterns.


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada] * 1
    #23874407 - 11/28/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

$27?


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Re: User Created forums and the unwanted participation of staff members. [Re: John Nada] * 2
    #23876056 - 11/28/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Now you owe me $27.



$27 in butthole tax? Sounds reasonable. Can I pay in the form of a name change for yourself, idiotek, and revok to 'Don't post in my cornhole'? It might help clear things up a little.

I am ultimately a good person, as I believe you guys are also. I just wish we could have all worked this out like a bunch of reasonable motherfuckers, rather than the ramble tamble ruckus inducing people we were at the time.


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