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Offlinebeforethedawn
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Knowledge is power
    #23865037 - 11/25/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So it doesn't seem to be clear to some people but if someone has ideas, and their ideas are workable and right, you can't attack the ideas with, say, a mean face or cussing. You know? They are ideas. Yeah. If their ideas are better than your ideas, you lose, because knowledge is composed of ideas and knowledge is power. End of story. You need to get better ideas, or at least adopt their ideas. You don't stand a chance. If someone is right, they are a majority of one, and the people toting the poorer, inferior ideas are part of an insignificant minority, any other concept of themselves is pure delusion. Maybe with some fascism you can attempt to shift your fear and alienation onto them, but only by giving them your ideas, which they have already superseded and are thus immune to the effects of said ideas. So get used to being the underdog, it's your new role if you can't fight back by improving your understanding. And only you, the individual, can do that, not your friends, not your family, not your culture, your clique. Only you can fight back. You might want to step up to life.

:sunny:

Plenty to discuss, be my guest.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23865076 - 11/25/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'll throw some quotes from the bible in here relating to knowledge and understanding.  when i find them


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23865108 - 11/25/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't there a difference between wanting to be right, above all others, to hold the "ultimate" truth

and

being true to yourself, separated - yet equal?

The former seems to instigate control over the free will of others, while the latter makes compromises for the diversity in which we are born into. Knowledge is fine and dandy, but the only knowledge any individual needs, in my opinion, is the amount required to satisfy his/her desires in a healthy way, and allow us to interact with other human beings in a peaceful manner. All knowledge superseding the nature of our perceived reality seems only to bring about conflict, and ultimately appears to be useless. Every individual must find his own way, like the old saying goes...So, I don't see how looking for "new" ideas about the truth about reality will change anything...Seems only thing useful we could work on is how we approach reality, and each other. And to that there are an infinite number of ways, with the potential of making life all the more colourful.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23865229 - 11/25/16 04:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:hatsoff:


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23865256 - 11/25/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: zzripz]
    #23865287 - 11/25/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

'Right' is relative. One persons idea might be right for them, yet the opposite of that idea could be right for someone else. Providing feedback and criticizing other peoples ideas is encouraged if the goal is to improve on their idea, however I don't believe people should feel the need to 'attack' ideas. That's just being a dick.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23865805 - 11/25/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You don't get it slave. We are all insanel.

I offer cheap sweets and comforting futuristic visions. You believe in me enough we can make something work.


Edited by Jaegar (11/25/16 11:32 AM)


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23866388 - 11/25/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

beforethedawn said:
So it doesn't seem to be clear to some people but if someone has ideas, and their ideas are workable and right, you can't attack the ideas with, say, a mean face or cussing. You know? They are ideas.......




unfortunately not true

couple examples - history of science and paradigms shows many more

‘Innovation—any new idea—by definition will not be accepted at first. It takes repeated attempts, endless demonstrations, and monotonous rehearsals before innovation can be can be accepted and internalized by an organization. This requires "courageous patience.".’
— Warren Bennis

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: laughingdog]
    #23866407 - 11/25/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think beforethedawn meant that constructive criticism should be encouraged.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: sudly]
    #23866469 - 11/25/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes  "should"  be

but is often not

theory of tectonic plates is a good example

so is

Semmelweis' Germ Theory
https://explorable.com/semmelweis-germ-theory

even intelligent scientists repeatedly

fall far short of the ideal


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: laughingdog]
    #23866558 - 11/25/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think it might be harder to define what good criticism is.

E.g. When the church criticised Darwin and his theory of evolution even after publications and further research was done.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: sudly]
    #23869326 - 11/26/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting replies, what I was more generally saying was that there's actually something to understand about life and only the individual can get at it, and if an individual gets at it and gets it right, he is stronger than any clique, community or culture.

You can also read into that, yes, we should be co-operative, especially if we don't want someone else getting a leg-up on us.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: Jaegar]
    #23869328 - 11/26/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jaegar said:
You don't get it slave. We are all insanel.

I offer cheap sweets and comforting futuristic visions. You believe in me enough we can make something work.



Had a good laugh at this and posted it on Facebook. haha


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23869636 - 11/26/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23869666 - 11/26/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

beforethedawn said:
Quote:

Jaegar said:
You don't get it slave. We are all insanel.

I offer cheap sweets and comforting futuristic visions. You believe in me enough we can make something work.



Had a good laugh at this and posted it on Facebook. haha




We got 5 years. 

We ain't making shit work.



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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23872013 - 11/27/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

recording and inveigling, truth and lies, inculcation and institution, information.


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23872766 - 11/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If knowledge is power -

What of ultimate knowledge, that of the Self?

Ultimate power?

At least over your own life...


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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23872995 - 11/27/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Knowledge is power [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23873015 - 11/27/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

beforethedawn said:
Interesting replies, what I was more generally saying was that there's actually something to understand about life and only the individual can get at it, and if an individual gets at it and gets it right, he is stronger than any clique, community or culture.

You can also read into that, yes, we should be co-operative, especially if we don't want someone else getting a leg-up on us.




So did you like the novel or movie Zorba the Greek? Probably before your time. Definitely not about power, but is about gaining an intuitive relation to living, thru actively spontaneously participating in it.

"Zorba the Greek ...  is a novel written by the Cretan author Nikos Kazantzakis, first published in 1946. It is the tale of a young Greek intellectual who ventures to escape his bookish life with the aid of the boisterous and mysterious Alexis Zorba. "

" "Zorba the Greek" is a 1964 British-Greek drama film directed by Cypriot Michael Cacoyannis and starring Anthony Quinn as the title character. It is based on the novel Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis. "


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