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short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits.
    #23864848 - 11/24/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i recently took my first stab at growing pan cambos. On this batch i spawned to rye then used straw/coir/hpoo as a bulk substrate. the substrate took a long time to colonize and to begin pinning and all the fruits I've been getting have tiny short stems compared to the typical long stems cambos have. i read that Cambos like a really shallow substrate and this sub is def way too thick (same depth i would have used for cubes prob between 2-4 inches)  and that this could be causing the to grow like that. has anyone else had the same problem who could give me some advice. my next batch i just poured out a thin layer of colonized rye and covered it with just enough coir/hpoo/verm to cover the grain spawn, prob around an inch depth. those trays are colonizing now and will be put into fruiting in 5 or so days hopefully with better results.

heres what my fruits looked like. i picked most of them before taking this pic but they all basically looked the same, it was a monoculture. i also can take pics of the dried fruits i did pick already but I'm not sure thats really necessary.





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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz] * 1
    #23864896 - 11/24/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Those are definitely cubensis and not cambodginiensis :confused:


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864904 - 11/24/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

why do you say that? they are no where near the size of cubes. and they don't look like them at all. plus i grew cubes alongside them with the same sub and they def looked completely different (like cubes should look). I've also seen a pic somewhere on here of a combo grow where the cultivator claimed the sub was too thick and the pics looked remarkably similar to what mine looked like.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864909 - 11/24/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what color should cambo spores be? I'm taking a print right now.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz] * 1
    #23864913 - 11/24/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol nah those are definitely cubensis. Classic veil remnants and everything. Cambos look nothing like that, and definitely have no veil remnants. Cambos prints are also black. Why they're so small.. genetics, bad conditions like FAE/surface hydration and a bacterial substrate is the first 3 things that come to mind.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864918 - 11/24/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is also a possibility.. Cubensis are very aggressive with pans, so they could have also taken it over

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#5 Psilocybe cubensis (Cubes)

Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates. 

 

Although Cubensis contamination is common, pictures are almost always of one species or the other.  Currently I am only able to find one good Shroomery posted picture showing both species growing in the same container.  The two pictures on the right are from the thehawkseye and mycotopia.  If I find more Shroomery posted pictures I will replace the the offsite ones.

Pans don't look like pans

Rogue mushrooms

Cubensis instead of Oysters





Could be also why they're small if there's 2 mushroom species fighting it out on 1 substrate.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864933 - 11/24/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

def not problems with FAE, genetics were provided by a trusted shroomery member in the form of a petri dish culture (also sent me several cube strains, and tampanesis  which i cleaned up before inoculating grains) and everything else looked exactly like it should have. i grew the cambos  along with some of the cubes which were of cambodian origin as well in an SGFC like i have used to grow cubes for years with the same sub and the cubes looked like cubes. i also did a mono tub of the same culture of the cubes and they looked like this.



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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864937 - 11/24/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This is also a possibility.. Cubensis are very aggressive with pans, so they could have also taken it over

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#5 Psilocybe cubensis (Cubes)

Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates. 

 

Although Cubensis contamination is common, pictures are almost always of one species or the other.  Currently I am only able to find one good Shroomery posted picture showing both species growing in the same container.  The two pictures on the right are from the thehawkseye and mycotopia.  If I find more Shroomery posted pictures I will replace the the offsite ones.

Pans don't look like pans

Rogue mushrooms

Cubensis instead of Oysters





Could be also why they're small if there's 2 mushroom species fighting it out on 1 substrate.




yea but my "cambos" look nothing like those "cubes" and theres not two different mushrooms growing in my pics its clearly all the same species. every tray was a monoculture of the same mushrooms there wasn't any with more tan one species


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864940 - 11/24/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ill take some pics of the spore prints i took this morning and the dried specimens i think are cambos in a few if you guys think that's help


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864945 - 11/24/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea but my "cambos" look nothing like those "cubes" and theres not two different mushrooms growing in my pics its clearly all the same species. every tray was a monoculture of the same mushrooms there wasn't any with more tan one species



Your Cambos look exactly like cubes xD. Maybe not "those cubes" but they're definitely cubensis. Find me a picture of cambodginiensis with veil remnants and I'll stfu.

Also workman said in that quote he can generally only find grows with 1 or the other species, and has only found 1 pic on all of shroomery with both species growing at the same time. That means that the majority of the time it's just 1 or the other species. Also said that there's been grows where there's pans only first flush, then cubes only for the 2nd.

I was just saying that there's a pretty good possibility the reason why the substrate is so lumpy, and has tiny shrooms, with low yield is because there's 2 species competing, and cubensis always wins against panaeolus.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864947 - 11/24/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

can you please pot a pic of cubes that look like that cause I've never seen any and i cant find any online right now


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864963 - 11/24/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dwarf cubes:


(see the white freckles on the caps. That's universal veil remnants)



This is what dwarfy pans look like:





See how they're lighter capped? Almost tan. Also they have no universal veil remnants, or any veils on the underside.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864968 - 11/24/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

heres the (mostly) dry "cubes" and "cambos" that i grew in the same SGFC at the same time side by side with the same grains and bulk substrates. only difference was the genetics which i was told were Panaeolus cambodginiensis (left pile) and Psilocybe cubensis: strain: na muang (right pile) when received the cultures. also they colonized at different rates.



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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864970 - 11/24/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yea to me what i think are my cambos look a lot like what your dwarf cambos look like


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864974 - 11/24/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i'd love to just eat em to figure it out the best way possible but i just had a 10 gram cube trip last week. i don't think i need to return to that realm for a few months at least


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23864987 - 11/24/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



I circled all your veil remnants.. Look at the pan pics they have NO veil remnants. You have TONS. This is NOT panaeolus, the morphology is all wrong dude. If I was you, I'd be telling your source they fucked up. Do you have any pics of the source cultures fruits?


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    #23864990 - 11/24/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

these are all the fruits from the source cultures


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    #23864992 - 11/24/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

if they're both cubes in the same environment on the same substrate why would the be so drastically different?


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23864993 - 11/24/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I circled all your veil remnants.. Look at the pan pics they have NO veil remnants. You have TONS. This is NOT panaeolus, the morphology is all wrong dude. If I was you, I'd be telling your source they fucked up. Do you have any pics of the source cultures fruits?




cambos don't develop veils? i did pick some early before the caps fully opened right before the veils began to or at least before they finish breaking. i also pm'd my source and asked her to chime in in this thread to help clear things up. hopefully well here from her soon.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865000 - 11/25/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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these are all the fruits from the source cultures



I mean the fruits they had before. The ones they cloned to make these cultures.
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if they're both cubes in the same environment on the same substrate why would the be so drastically different?



Genetics, and like I said, there could be pans in there competing against the cubes, slowing them down A LOT as they take over the pans.

I grow in trays, and when I grow cubes, there can be some insane differences in growth rates as well as fruiting rates, even with the same varieties. No genetics are ever the same. Just like in humans we can see mutations that make people have less desirable traits.
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I circled all your veil remnants.. Look at the pan pics they have NO veil remnants. You have TONS. This is NOT panaeolus, the morphology is all wrong dude. If I was you, I'd be telling your source they fucked up. Do you have any pics of the source cultures fruits?




cambos don't develop veils? i did pick some early before the caps fully opened right before the veils began to or at least before they finish breaking



That's what I've been trying to tell you xD yeah cambos have no veils. Look at the pins, they're just tiny, but they definitely have no veils underneath the caps. You can see gills under pin caps right from when they come out of the surface.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865013 - 11/25/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865014 - 11/25/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ill also need to research identifying cambos further and also see if the next batch with a thinner sub looks any different.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865017 - 11/25/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.



Well I'm not doubting your ability to tell a monoculture, but generally panaeolus monocultures are much harder to find due to less sectoring. This is a panaeolus that's nowhere near to being a mono:



Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.

But if you read the quote...

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Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates.




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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865030 - 11/25/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23865047 - 11/25/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.



Well I'm not doubting your ability to tell a monoculture, but generally panaeolus monocultures are much harder to find due to less sectoring. This is a panaeolus that's nowhere near to being a mono:



Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.

But if you read the quote...

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Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates.







my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865049 - 11/25/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

also the next batch with the thinner sub should settle everything once the fruits reach maturity.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865207 - 11/25/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.





That's not a Pan culture. I doubt your benefactress would appreciate you implicating her in a violation of the site rules, but dumb things happen here every day.

Here's a shot of a shitty Cambo grow to compare:


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: grainbrain]
    #23865254 - 11/25/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well ill post pics of the next batch and well see. i trust the person i got em from and I've grown cubes over a dozen times and never seen any like that


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    #23865383 - 11/25/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.





That's not a Pan culture. I doubt your benefactress would appreciate you implicating her in a violation of the site rules, but dumb things happen here every day.



:whathesaid: if she was going to chime in, I doubt she will now with the legal implications you're putting against her.

Those rizmorphs.. That is not a panaeolus species at all...

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Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.




Hell it ain't even a monoculture. That is literally a shitty af Cubensis non-monoculture :rofl:

I love how you still don't believe it is cubensis when every single bit of its morphology is the definition of cubensis. If this was something else, I'd fuckin say it's something else. Your source might have mislabeled as well, but as things look, you didn't even have panaeolus

Here's more panaeolus mycelium shots. Notice how none of them have rizmorphs..



In all my years of this, I've never once seen a panaeolus species show rizmorphs or veils. YOU DONT HAVE A PANAEOLUS SPECIES. DIDN'T EVEN START WITH ONE. YOUR SOURCE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

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well ill post pics of the next batch and well see. i trust the person i got em from and I've grown cubes over a dozen times and never seen any like that



Just a dozen times? I've grown it thousands of times and I HAVE seen cubes like that :rolleyes:


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    #23865434 - 11/25/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wow this thread is just. . . wow. OP you have cubes. Mad Season knows what he is talking about. Those are just cubes in shitty conditions / contamed substrate.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865505 - 11/25/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i grew the cambos  along with some of the cubes which were of cambodian origin as well




sounds like a labeling issue or simply a got real stoned and got mixed up in your head-issue to me.

both fruits and mycelium is def cubes and not pans.


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    #23865609 - 11/25/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well see what the next batch looks like and if intact my theory about the sub being too thick was right or wrong. ill post pics


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    #23865619 - 11/25/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

LOL!

Unless the substrate was 5 inches deep, it isn't too deep for Cambodian Cubensis xD. If you want to grow pans, get panaeolus spores or something.


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    #23865741 - 11/25/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmm, some posts have disappeared but right after posting I saw confirmation you do in fact grow cubes. your cambo culture = cambodian cubes not pan cambodiginensis.


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    #23865860 - 11/25/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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if they're both cubes in the same environment on the same substrate why would the be so drastically different?



Happens all the time....
Appearance can vary but there's still identifying characteristics

Like the characteristics that tell all of us you're growing cubes and not a single pan


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    #23865879 - 11/25/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They are definitely cubes.

Iv'e only just got into growing this year and have grown pan cambos and b+ cubensis (and some atl#7 stones which are being grown at present). Cambos are really small compared to the cubes, and will become white before they reach their full size from what I have experienced with them.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23865894 - 11/25/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hmm, some posts have disappeared but right after posting I saw confirmation you do in fact grow cubes. your cambo culture = cambodian cubes not pan cambodiginensis.




I truly think this is the case.

you should check that with your source.

Mad Season, why do you say that is a "shitty af" culture?  are you just saying that it isn't a monoculture or do you see something wrong with it?


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    #23865972 - 11/25/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's just shitty, pheno/genotype wise i guess... it's short, skinny and ugly.

Could be potent as fuck though.. If he tries it.


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    #23865974 - 11/25/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just the fact it grew tiny shrooms and very few amounts of them. Some limited cultures do that. Some monocultures can't even pin, because of a genetic mutation. This is why I much prefer MS > cloning because it isn't just a wild gamble.

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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23866007 - 11/25/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Right I'm always worried about narrowing too much when cleaning up cultures from ms as I've found the best results so far with varied genetics.

Haven't found any good clones yet but haven't put enough effort into that yet.

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    #23868421 - 11/26/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ok spoke to the member who gave me the cultures and they are in fact camodian cubes, you were all right and i was def wrong. sorry for the confusion.  fuck thats really disappointing to me, luckily i have a syringe of actual pan combo spores in my fridge i can start working on next.


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    #23868446 - 11/26/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Make sure you start them on agar first.


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    #23868447 - 11/26/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Least ya were a man and admitted it.

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    #23868522 - 11/26/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

they were started from agar dished sent from a member here. from there i did transfer to agar> >grains>bulk>fruiting in SGFC.

and thank you pastywhyte i have no prob admitting i was wrong i'v just never seen cubes look anything near that and i have at least 10 grows under my belt, mostly in SGFC's, this last run was my first stab at monos also first time using straw. i'd also i'd like to thank you for all the time you've spent putting up all your different teks, they've def helped me plenty in my journey into mycology.


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    #23868593 - 11/26/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't take this the wrong way but I thought I knew a lot after 100 grows. However I was wrong.


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    #23868595 - 11/26/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i said 10 grows, and they were all cubes. this was my first attempt at branching out to other species. and i don't know a danm thing about id'ing mushrooms that not my field of interest, id never trust myself with something like that. I'm interested in cultivation and the effects of psychoactive mushrooms


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    #23868608 - 11/26/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know you did. Buy my point is we always have something to learn. I have no clue how many I have done now but I learn new things all the time. It's a good thing, keeps it fun. Be critical yet open minded.


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    #23868616 - 11/26/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

o hell yea i agree completely. believe me i learned a lot from this experience and it will be invaluable information for me in the future. shit now i do know how to grow pans i just need to get the right culture going. and i know when my cubes are completely fucked and ready to be tossed or at least another sign of that.


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    #23868738 - 11/26/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In the end we're all still noobs. That's why we're all here to help each other right? :smile: The collective information makes this place gold IMO.


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