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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865013 - 11/25/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865014 - 11/25/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ill also need to research identifying cambos further and also see if the next batch with a thinner sub looks any different.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865017 - 11/25/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.



Well I'm not doubting your ability to tell a monoculture, but generally panaeolus monocultures are much harder to find due to less sectoring. This is a panaeolus that's nowhere near to being a mono:



Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.

But if you read the quote...

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Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates.




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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865030 - 11/25/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865047 - 11/25/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't know about the fruits the cultures were made from.

how would they be competing? i inoculated the trays that produced those obvious cubes with the cube cultures and the they trays producing what i think are cambos with the cambo spawn. neither tray had more than one species growing on it. those two different dried samples were grown from different trays none had a mix of two, they were all obvious monocultures.



Well I'm not doubting your ability to tell a monoculture, but generally panaeolus monocultures are much harder to find due to less sectoring. This is a panaeolus that's nowhere near to being a mono:



Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.

But if you read the quote...

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Psilocybe cubensis can contaminate Panaeolus cyanescens (and allies) cultivations and more rarely other species.  The reasons are the same as with oyster contamination (see #3 above) with the additional factor of spores intentionally or mistakenly mislabeled (both species have dark spores so the spore prints are visually similar)

Interestingly, trays of fully colonized Panaeolus can produce a normal flush of Panaeolus mushrooms before becoming overwhelmed by Cubensis mycelium and fruiting cubensis for the 2nd and following flushes.  This generally happens when both species are grown in close proximity and the grow area is loaded with free cubensis spores.  It appears that the Panaeolus colonized substrate is selective for cubensis colonization.  This hints at the possibility of sequential use of manure based substrates.







my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865049 - 11/25/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

also the next batch with the thinner sub should settle everything once the fruits reach maturity.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865207 - 11/25/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.





That's not a Pan culture. I doubt your benefactress would appreciate you implicating her in a violation of the site rules, but dumb things happen here every day.

Here's a shot of a shitty Cambo grow to compare:


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: grainbrain]
    #23865254 - 11/25/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well ill post pics of the next batch and well see. i trust the person i got em from and I've grown cubes over a dozen times and never seen any like that


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: grainbrain]
    #23865383 - 11/25/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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my cultures didn't look anything like that, more like this.

I'm still waiting on the member who gave them to me to chime in and see what she has to say about all this. if anyone can set things straight its her.





That's not a Pan culture. I doubt your benefactress would appreciate you implicating her in a violation of the site rules, but dumb things happen here every day.



:whathesaid: if she was going to chime in, I doubt she will now with the legal implications you're putting against her.

Those rizmorphs.. That is not a panaeolus species at all...

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Also if you see rizmorphs at all, thats a bad sign as well. Panaeolus, as you can see is hella tomentose.




Hell it ain't even a monoculture. That is literally a shitty af Cubensis non-monoculture :rofl:

I love how you still don't believe it is cubensis when every single bit of its morphology is the definition of cubensis. If this was something else, I'd fuckin say it's something else. Your source might have mislabeled as well, but as things look, you didn't even have panaeolus

Here's more panaeolus mycelium shots. Notice how none of them have rizmorphs..



In all my years of this, I've never once seen a panaeolus species show rizmorphs or veils. YOU DONT HAVE A PANAEOLUS SPECIES. DIDN'T EVEN START WITH ONE. YOUR SOURCE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

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well ill post pics of the next batch and well see. i trust the person i got em from and I've grown cubes over a dozen times and never seen any like that



Just a dozen times? I've grown it thousands of times and I HAVE seen cubes like that :rolleyes:


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #23865434 - 11/25/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wow this thread is just. . . wow. OP you have cubes. Mad Season knows what he is talking about. Those are just cubes in shitty conditions / contamed substrate.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865505 - 11/25/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i grew the cambos  along with some of the cubes which were of cambodian origin as well




sounds like a labeling issue or simply a got real stoned and got mixed up in your head-issue to me.

both fruits and mycelium is def cubes and not pans.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23865609 - 11/25/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well see what the next batch looks like and if intact my theory about the sub being too thick was right or wrong. ill post pics


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865619 - 11/25/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

LOL!

Unless the substrate was 5 inches deep, it isn't too deep for Cambodian Cubensis xD. If you want to grow pans, get panaeolus spores or something.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: Mad Season]
    #23865741 - 11/25/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmm, some posts have disappeared but right after posting I saw confirmation you do in fact grow cubes. your cambo culture = cambodian cubes not pan cambodiginensis.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #23865860 - 11/25/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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if they're both cubes in the same environment on the same substrate why would the be so drastically different?



Happens all the time....
Appearance can vary but there's still identifying characteristics

Like the characteristics that tell all of us you're growing cubes and not a single pan


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23865879 - 11/25/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They are definitely cubes.

Iv'e only just got into growing this year and have grown pan cambos and b+ cubensis (and some atl#7 stones which are being grown at present). Cambos are really small compared to the cubes, and will become white before they reach their full size from what I have experienced with them.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: spacechildo]
    #23865894 - 11/25/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hmm, some posts have disappeared but right after posting I saw confirmation you do in fact grow cubes. your cambo culture = cambodian cubes not pan cambodiginensis.




I truly think this is the case.

you should check that with your source.

Mad Season, why do you say that is a "shitty af" culture?  are you just saying that it isn't a monoculture or do you see something wrong with it?


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: tombosley8]
    #23865972 - 11/25/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's just shitty, pheno/genotype wise i guess... it's short, skinny and ugly.

Could be potent as fuck though.. If he tries it.


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Re: short panaeolus cambodginiensis fruits. [Re: tombosley8]
    #23865974 - 11/25/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just the fact it grew tiny shrooms and very few amounts of them. Some limited cultures do that. Some monocultures can't even pin, because of a genetic mutation. This is why I much prefer MS > cloning because it isn't just a wild gamble.

PF has an awesome isolates comparison..
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