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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23858799 - 11/22/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

then I think it depends on if the visions act as distractions :smile:


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: deff]
    #23858850 - 11/22/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have partial blindness I just concentrate so hard on what im seeing with one eye that I don't process the visual stimuli from the other. its at that point that I get OEVs.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23858864 - 11/22/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What you're describing is still a form of sensory deprivation, as it is with eyes shut. It's similar to stuff like this, just a different manifestation:

https://mindhacks.com/2010/09/18/the-strange-face-in-the-mirror-illusion/


Or this:




Or even this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_effect


That the eyes are open or shut isn't necessarily a different phenomena, just takes different forms with the limited sensory input of eyes being open and focusing on one thing as opposed to closed eyes focusing on the darkness. I guess what I'm trying to say is that whether it's eyes open or eyes shut, the mechanism is largely going to be the same.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23858872 - 11/22/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Who cares if anyone has achieved them

They don't have anything to do with you

All this crap people spew from established religions really makes me wanna puke

Find out for yourself

Make your own decisions based on your personal experience

Groups are bullshit

Teachers are bullshit

Advice is bullshit

Anything anybody says is bullshit with regard to you because it's not your personal truth

Anybody who quotes "teachers" or "recognized authorities" or "gurus" or "philosophers" or anybody else is full of shit

People who give you medical advice are full of shit

Everybody besides YOU is basically worthless, that's what I'm getting at


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: 100_the_cat]
    #23858893 - 11/22/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't try to connect this with religion just wanted expirences and shit. I like learning a bout different people .


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: 100_the_cat]
    #23858975 - 11/22/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

100_the_cat said:
Who cares if anyone has achieved them

They don't have anything to do with you

All this crap people spew from established religions really makes me wanna puke

Find out for yourself

Make your own decisions based on your personal experience

Groups are bullshit

Teachers are bullshit

Advice is bullshit

Anything anybody says is bullshit with regard to you because it's not your personal truth

Anybody who quotes "teachers" or "recognized authorities" or "gurus" or "philosophers" or anybody else is full of shit

People who give you medical advice are full of shit

Everybody besides YOU is basically worthless, that's what I'm getting at




then you are also full of shit.  you dont discredit human history and all our traditions and wisdom and practices with one post el gato.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #23858990 - 11/22/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I thought that sounded like advice or a lesson I'm just not learning it. if you are human then yes your expirences are relevant to me otherwise it would be pointless to share in any form with anybody.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23860185 - 11/23/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's hard to forget religious lessons.  They have a lot of subconscious pull.  I just don't expect them to have a lot of weight in a conversation.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23860263 - 11/23/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

even just talking differences in Judaic religions is spanning  huge concepts and ideas. I like to think that if there is a way to integrate positive parts of other religions into your psyche no matter who you are a great and wise teacher is still a great teacher.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23861809 - 11/23/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

100_the_cat said:
Who cares if anyone has achieved them

They don't have anything to do with you

All this crap people spew from established religions really makes me wanna puke

Find out for yourself

Make your own decisions based on your personal experience

Groups are bullshit

Teachers are bullshit

Advice is bullshit

Anything anybody says is bullshit with regard to you because it's not your personal truth

Anybody who quotes "teachers" or "recognized authorities" or "gurus" or "philosophers" or anybody else is full of shit

People who give you medical advice are full of shit

Everybody besides YOU is basically worthless, that's what I'm getting at




then you are also full of shit.  you dont discredit human history and all our traditions and wisdom and practices with one post el gato.




The whole point is for OP to listen to self rather than other

You're just being a crybaby

And yes, I can discredit everything in one post

I already did


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: 100_the_cat]
    #23861817 - 11/23/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

bad co2 to the topic at hand. I was going to ask how you usually achieve such a state.


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23861828 - 11/23/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Vihāra Sutta: Dwellings (2)
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"Monks, I will teach you the nine step-by-step dwelling-attainments. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."

"As you say, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "And what, monks, are the nine step-by-step dwelling-attainments?

[1] "Wherever sensual resolves cease and those who repeatedly are stopping sensual resolves dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where do sensual resolves cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping sensual resolves dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful mental qualities, enters & remains in the first jhāna: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. That is where sensual resolves cease, and where those who repeatedly are stopping sensual resolves dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[2] "Wherever directed thoughts & evaluations cease and those who repeatedly are stopping directed thoughts & evaluations dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where do directed thoughts & evaluations cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping directed thoughts & evaluations dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, enters & remains in the second jhāna: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation — internal assurance. That is where directed thoughts & evaluations cease, and where those who repeatedly are stopping directed thoughts & evaluations dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[3] "Wherever rapture ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping rapture dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does rapture cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping rapture dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the fading of rapture, remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhāna, of which the noble ones declare, "Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding." That is where rapture ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping rapture dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[4] "Wherever the pleasure of equanimity[1] ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the pleasure of equanimity dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the pleasure of equanimity cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the pleasure of equanimity dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the abandoning of pleasure & pain — as with the earlier disappearance of joy & distress — enters & remains in the fourth jhāna: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither-pleasure-nor-pain. That is where the pleasure of equanimity ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the pleasure of equanimity dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[5] "Wherever the perception of form ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of form dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the perception of form cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of form dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the complete transcending of perceptions of form, with the disappearance of perceptions of resistance, and not heeding perceptions of diversity, (perceiving,) "Infinite space," enters & remains in the dimension of the infinitude of space. That is where the perception of form ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of form dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[6] "Wherever the perception of the infinitude of space ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of space dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the perception of the infinitude of space cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of space dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of space, (perceiving,) "Infinite consciousness," enters & remains in the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness. That is where the perception of the infinitude of space ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of space dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[7] "Wherever the perception of the infinitude of consciousness ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of consciousness dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the perception of the infinitude of consciousness cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of consciousness dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, (perceiving,) "There is nothing," enters & remains in the dimension of nothingness. That is where the perception of the infinitude of consciousness ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the infinitude of consciousness dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[8] "Wherever the perception of nothingness ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of nothingness dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the perception of nothingness cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of nothingness dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the complete transcending of the dimension of nothingness, enters & remains in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. That is where the perception of nothingness ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of nothingness dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

[9] "Wherever the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception ceases and those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception dwell: Surely, I tell you, by that factor those venerable ones are free from hunger, unbound, having crossed over & gone to the far shore.

"Now if someone should say, 'Where does the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception cease? And where do those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception dwell? I don't know that; I don't see that,' he should be told, 'There is the case, friend, where a monk, with the complete transcending of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception, enters & remains in the cessation of perception & feeling.[2] That is where the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception ceases, and where those who repeatedly are stopping the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception dwell.' Surely, a person without guile or deceit, (saying,) 'Very good,' would delight in & approve of that statement. Delighting in & approving of that statement, paying homage & raising his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, he would honor it.

"These, monks, are the nine step-by-step dwelling-attainments."

Note

1.
In AN 9.34, the "affliction" of the third jhāna that is abandoned in the fourth jhāna is said to be equanimity. However, the fourth jhāna also contains equanimity. Thus the statement in this sutta — that the pleasure of equanimity is abandoned in the fourth jhāna — seems more consistent with the fourth jhāna as described in the standard formula. AN 9.42 is in agreement with this sutta on this point.
2.
Notice that this description of the cessation of perception & feeling lacks the statement often added in passages where this attainment is described: "and, having seen [that] with discernment, his effluents are completely ended."


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23862408 - 11/24/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been learning that there is no point in sharing

It's just air

Nobody can change anything

It's like watching a tv show

It's impossible to really get through to anyone, we're just entertainment for each other while passing the time

And it's not very exciting entertainment either

It's like watching paint dry

Everybody and everything is a letdown


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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: 100_the_cat]
    #23864215 - 11/24/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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