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TedTheHighlighter
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Grains outdoors?
#23864107 - 11/24/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anybody know if using grains for an outdoor grow increases the chance of animals digging up your patch compared to BRF cakes? I know squirrels and other pests love grain and I was wondering if using BRF cakes would be better for outdoor grows for this reason
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Tmethyl
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I did several outdoor grows with grains(in Florida) and only once did I get a rat or squirrel eating a small portion. Wasn't a big deal. Grows all went very well. I covered it pretty deep with a casing of garden soil, I found that works well outside, and it masks all the good smells from most critters.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23866345 - 11/25/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's great news! Anyone else have anything to share?
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Tira



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Worms, snails and all kinds of bugs love grains and grain products. Straw or coir are way better choices for outdoor grows.
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enlightenment
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23866424 - 11/25/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do the climate conditions in Turkey allow outdoor grows, Tira? Have you ever tried it?
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petey mcenroe
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I'm using BRF cakes to inoculate my back yard with cyanescens mycelium. From what I've spread already, it seems to work well. First batch spread was just a jar chopped up in cubes n buried in my mulch. Second batch was shredded with a cheese grater and spread all over my yard. I kinda like the cheese grater because I was able to spread it easier. I dont know how well it will work, but I know what has been spread already is growing so maybe next year will be a good one.
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Tira



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enlightenment said: Do the climate conditions in Turkey allow outdoor grows, Tira? Have you ever tried it?
Of course, it's usually very warm over here. Mushrooms can be found at all seasons except for winter. Last week it rained a little and I spotted three different wild species of mushrooms growing in my backyard; and it's almost december .)
I've only tried burying my contaminated work and got a little bit harvest from some of them, others got eaten by slugs and bugs and worms. I'm waiting for spring to start some serious outdoor grows.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23866487 - 11/25/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tira said: Last week it rained a little and I spotted three different wild species of mushrooms growing in my backyard.
Have any photos of them? I'd love to see them and possibly identify them. (I'm a trusted identifier also)
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Tira



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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23866544 - 11/25/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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Tira said: Last week it rained a little and I spotted three different wild species of mushrooms growing in my backyard.
Have any photos of them? I'd love to see them and possibly identify them. (I'm a trusted identifier also)

Sadly, I didn't take any pics and now they're gone. But I'm sure they'll come back and I'll take photos this time. Actually I see a lot of mushrooms around where I live, I've just seen some woodlovers on a tree on my street two days ago. Last week I went to the forest and picked some chanterelles. I can take photos of nearby mushrooms and PM you if you'd like?
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Edited by Tira (11/25/16 04:23 PM)
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Tmethyl
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23866551 - 11/25/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah PM me of post pics in the Mushrooms Hunting and Identification forum. Would love to see.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23866852 - 11/25/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay so one person says grains are fine, another says grains will get eaten up. This is why I asked.
Soooo are grains significantly more likely to be eaten than BRF cakes (or other options). Other opinions?
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Tmethyl
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Well like I said, I cased all my outdoor grows with garden soil, which prevents all pests like snails and bugs. Worms are not a problem, they won't mess with your grow until it's more decomposed. Even if you see some worms, they are not doing any notable harm. I did outdoor grows with grains for nearly 3 years in a row and only ever had one incident where a small critter dug up a small section and ate some mycelium(even that grow still went fine).
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Tira



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TedTheHighlighter said: Okay so one person says grains are fine, another says grains will get eaten up. This is why I asked.
Soooo are grains significantly more likely to be eaten than BRF cakes (or other options). Other opinions?
I'd listen to Timethyl.
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If you have any grain exposed the bugs will be all over it... I figured this out this summer... I cased my grains with coir and grass clippings...got nice little harvest being it was 100+°F almost all summer
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23868418 - 11/26/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tira said: Worms, snails and all kinds of bugs love grains and grain products. Straw or coir are way better choices for outdoor grows.
Listen to this guy. Unless I can find a way to combat these guys I will never use grains outdoors again. I've tried it two or three times and got maybe an ounce of mushrooms that had slug bites and juice all over them. If I had used that spawn in a monotub I probably would have gotten over a pound. My patch was absolutely demolished by slugs, worms, and all kinds of bugs. It didn't even really grow, they just ate the fuck out of the grains and then when the mushrooms would grow, what few that did, the slugs ate half of them. I'd go out there at night and the patch had worms crawling all through it, worm fucking, and big fucking slugs hanging out ALL over the place. Fuck.
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Tira



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If you must one of grains or flour I'd go with flour and take Timethyl's advice about casing with soil.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23868742 - 11/26/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow alright. More stories from others are appreciated but from what I'm hearing grains will increase the chance of a pest infiltrated harvest What about straw? If I use that as a substrate could I bury it the same as I would grains and greatly lower the chances of it being ruined?
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Edited by TedTheHighlighter (11/26/16 11:48 AM)
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krypto2000
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I would think so since straw isn't full of starches and sugars it shouldn't attract critters like grains.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Very true. I'd like to thank everyone who has responded so far.
Other opinions on straw?
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Tira



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IMO, straw is the best choice for an outdoor grow.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23869385 - 11/26/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Straw is fine, works good. Colonizes fast & easy to prep.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23869457 - 11/26/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've only seen straw be colonized by grain substrate. Would this defeat the purpose of using straw over grains in the first place?
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Tmethyl
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TedTheHighlighter said: I've only seen straw be colonized by grain substrate. Would this defeat the purpose of using straw over grains in the first place?
Yeah spores won't germinate on straw alone, will still have to use a spawn of some sort. Like grain.
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Tira



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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23869553 - 11/26/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can use sawdust spawn for inoculation, but grain would be better choice since you're inoculating straw and not wood.
I think straw inoculated with grain spawn topped with a layer of gardening soil as Timethyl said would be your best bet.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23869635 - 11/26/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hm well I guess the idea would be that instead of just using grains and horse poo, I would inoculate straw with a small amount of grains and use that and horse poo. And hopefully the reduced amount of grain would lead to animals not fucking with the patch
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Tira



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I think straw without horse poo would be better in terms of being contam-resistant. But why not do two patches and try both and see how each turns out? .)
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tira]
#23870164 - 11/26/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard that outdoors you don't really have to worry about contams https://www.shroomery.org/8494/Moes-Outdoor-Growing-Tek This would be my method^
Again, BRF cakes would be fine, but obviously grains allow the opportunity for GtG transfers to increase supply. However, it looks like grains aren't the best idea for outdoors
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TedTheHighlighter
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I've decided to spawn to grains and then to spawn to straw. I'll cut the grains used to about 1/15 of what I would use if I was going with grains straight to outdoors. This way I can rapidly colonize a lot of substrate and it will be straw based spawn
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Grains outdoors? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23882238 - 11/30/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Well like I said, I cased all my outdoor grows with garden soil, which prevents all pests like snails and bugs. Worms are not a problem, they won't mess with your grow until it's more decomposed. Even if you see some worms, they are not doing any notable harm. I did outdoor grows with grains for nearly 3 years in a row and only ever had one incident where a small critter dug up a small section and ate some mycelium(even that grow still went fine).
Do you happen to have a record/memory of what your typical spawn amount and yield was?
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