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Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.?
    #23863172 - 11/24/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I see plenty of posts about using it to clean the space and bomb the air before working in an SAB, but I can't find any information about using it in place of iso. Is there a benefit to using the latter to wipe down gloved hands, jar lids, and the like? I can see the quickness of evaporation being beneficial, but wasn't sure if there were other reasons.


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23863202 - 11/24/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It can but the surface must be exposed for 10 minutesl, it's slow to evaporate, and it leaves a hygroscopic salt behind which means the surface will never fully dry. I'd maybe use it for wiping the inside of a SAB but not for general surface sanitation.

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23863219 - 11/24/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Makes metal rust quick too. Hard on your skin as well. Smells terrible.

One bottle of iso should last a long time. I go through iso like water for cleaning pipes but you don't need very much for mushroom work

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23863251 - 11/24/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I go through iso like water for cleaning pipes




:snoopyes:

I figured there had to be more than one reason to not use it for everything. Thanks for the info!


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23863369 - 11/24/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

70% is better for sanitizer
91% or higher for cleaning

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23863409 - 11/24/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And cheap 50% works well for everything. I use it to wipe everything down when puting in sab. And baseless covering my arms and shirt with it. I use like a 1/4 of a small bottle every g2g i do. Almost everyone has the mind set that with chems and cleaners that more is better. Ot isn't, 80% of Americans slowly poison our selfs by useing to much bleach then cooking on that surface. Never use bleach on metal jar lids starts rusting si fast

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: tump]
    #23863454 - 11/24/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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And cheap 50% works well for everything. I use it to wipe everything down when puting in sab. And baseless covering my arms and shirt with it. I use like a 1/4 of a small bottle every g2g i do. Almost everyone has the mind set that with chems and cleaners that more is better. Ot isn't, 80% of Americans slowly poison our selfs by useing to much bleach then cooking on that surface. Never use bleach on metal jar lids starts rusting si fast



50% is not a sanitizer and doesn't do much more than soaking yourself with water

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Overview.  In the healthcare setting, "alcohol" refers to two water-soluble chemical compounds—ethyl alcohol and isopropyl alcohol—that have generally underrated germicidal characteristics 482.  FDA has not cleared any liquid chemical sterilant or high-level disinfectant with alcohol as the main active ingredient. These alcohols are rapidly bactericidal rather than bacteriostatic against vegetative forms of bacteria; they also are tuberculocidal, fungicidal, and virucidal but do not destroy bacterial spores. Their cidal activity drops sharply when diluted below 50% concentration, and the optimum bactericidal concentration is 60%–90% solutions in water (volume/volume) 483, 484.




https://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/6_0disinfection.html

tump, once again delivering bad advice

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23863495 - 11/24/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never seem anything other than 70 91 and 99 for sale

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23863500 - 11/24/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen and bought 50 before. not sure why it exists.

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23863650 - 11/24/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Never seem anything other than 70 91 and 99 for sale




Same. I usually have 91 on hand for cleaning pipes and 70 for pretty much everything else.


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23863685 - 11/24/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for this info actually, I'd been wondering if it mattered that I picked 91% instead of 70%. Yay, it doesn't!


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: Aneres]
    #23863773 - 11/24/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Based on what that CDC link says, it seems like 91% is fine by 99% is less fine. I seem to remember RR saying something about more water in the 70% allowing the iso to better bypass the cellular walls to kill the bateria. I wonder if there's any truth to that.

Edit: Get your salt grains ready, because  this info comes from a Quora article (the answerer claims they are a surgeon):

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From a medical standpoint, you need a certain percentage of water.

Ethyl alcohol kills bacteria mainly through 2 mechanisms: protein denaturation and dissolving the lipid membrane. So a higher percentage should be better. BUT much higher than 70% means too little water.

Alcohol is hygroscopic i.e it absorbs water. This will dehydrate and coagulate the bacterial cell wall, at least for some species. This coagulated cell wall seals up, preventing the alcohol from entering the inside of the bacterial cell so the bacteria can still be alive. Adding water (30% is the best tradeoff based on experiments) has several effects. The dehydration and coagulation of the cell wall is slowed down so the alcohol has time to diffuse inside the bacterial cell and work on the proteins inside, killing it.




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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23863788 - 11/24/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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70% is better for sanitizer
91% or higher for cleaning



I like denatured alcohol for cleaning things.


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: r.lutece]
    #23863874 - 11/24/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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r.lutece said:
can see the quickness of evaporation being beneficial, but wasn't sure if there were other reasons.



Alcohol will not whiten fabrics like bleach would, that is one big reason I like it -no need to be overly careful with it. I also do not use alcohol lamps.

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: blackout]
    #23864083 - 11/24/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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can see the quickness of evaporation being beneficial, but wasn't sure if there were other reasons.



Alcohol will not whiten fabrics like bleach would, that is one big reason I like it -no need to be overly careful with it. I also do not use alcohol lamps.




What do you prefer to alcohol lamps? I hear good things about propane torches.


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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23864204 - 11/24/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I've seen and bought 50 before. not sure why it exists.




Cheap dollar store stuff.


I go through a lot more 70% on sanitizing than I do on pipes.


(and Amazon has reusable pipe cleaning solution)

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23864648 - 11/24/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

50% achol is used to disinfect wounds. Read the bottles . you can disagree until your blue in the face, if it works then it work's.

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: tump]
    #23866364 - 11/25/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What do you prefer to alcohol lamps? I hear good things about propane torches.



Torches if I am flaming, but I usuaully have the tools covered with foil or tight fitting copper sleeves and flame treated in advance. Then take the covers off in the SAB. So no actual flames about at all while using the SAB.

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Re: Can 10% bleach be used in lieu of iso to wipe jars, gloved hands, etc.? [Re: blackout]
    #23866481 - 11/25/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also alcohol evaporates really fast, bleach water does not.


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