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    #23862705 - 11/24/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so I've noticed that some people (usually people who dont know me well) think that talking blatantly on the phone about kratom is sketchy and borderline like talking about illegal drugs......

That really pisses me off because IMO we need to talk/treat kratom in society for the reality that it is, and in reality kratom is not very harmful for the human body nor is it currently in the US tied into any smuggling operations or illegal activities.

On the opposite hand it is COMPLETELY inappropriate when people go around saying kratom is the same as coffee or even weed. That is completely false, kratom is addictive and can cause a severe physical withdrawal under certain circumstances.

My perspective is that lack of objectivity and honesty among the peoples of our world is SEVERELY ruining our society on every level, we need to get down to brass fucking taxes when it comes to every topic if we ever hope to have a world where people live in reality instead of fantasy.

Get real about kratom and get real about life.

Its a leaf in a bag that people pull off a tree and eat, other than that the only other things people need to know is

1. its mildly addictive but can lead to physical dependence when its severely over used

2. it gets you high similarly to opium without the risk of fatal OD

3. its a fucking leaf from a tree that never killed anyone


Stop lying about kratom, stop lying about life.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur] * 3
    #23862709 - 11/24/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't get me high like opium.  I'd put it more in the category of "mood elevator" than recreational drug.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23862710 - 11/24/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

tolerance issue?

it doesnt effect me in the way opium does anymore but its the closest comparison i can accurately make :shrug:


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862717 - 11/24/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps.  I never took it before I had at least some tolerance.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23862721 - 11/24/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

another thing is these people who are sketched about talking about kratom on the phone are ALWAYS people who have very little or zero experience using any hard drugs or being in trouble with the law.

if your too scared to talk about kratom on the phone do you really think they would be confident enough to shoot smack, smoke crack or anything else of that nature?


NOPE.

they also have no/little experience with legal issues because the fact they are scared to talk about kratom on the phone shows that they aren't even aware that they cant be prosecuted for such a thing at this point in time.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862735 - 11/24/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you talking about kratom on the phone anyway?  Every time I bring up kratom to people IRL they just roll their eyes and say something like, "oh yeah, karthoum, I know store that sells that stuff but I am all set."  Fuck em.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23862744 - 11/24/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

cause i know some people who actually have an idea of what kratom is and others who are really kratom users who fully understand what it is.

as such it sometimes comes up in phone conversations, the one that inspired this post was via text about me saying how this person should watch out for a scam thats going on in the internetlandz regarding kratom and also that december first is the next day the DEA comes out and says something about it.

im not trying to be hard ass to them and i didnt criticize them at all to their face but it just grinds my gears when they suddenly got all sketch and acted as if they just dont even do kratom at all.

its like come on......this is why (among other reasons) i feel that people who are intelligent HARD drug users are more my kind of people that i groove with because they tend to know more about whats really sketchy and whats not, unfortunately the HARD drug using community generally has many more unintelligent users than intelligent users.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
    #23862747 - 11/24/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
Ok so I've noticed that some people (usually people who dont know me well) think that talking blatantly on the phone about kratom is sketchy and borderline like talking about illegal drugs......

That really pisses me off because IMO we need to talk/treat kratom in society for the reality that it is, and in reality kratom is not very harmful for the human body nor is it currently in the US tied into any smuggling operations or illegal activities.

On the opposite hand it is COMPLETELY inappropriate when people go around saying kratom is the same as coffee or even weed. That is completely false, kratom is addictive and can cause a severe physical withdrawal under certain circumstances.

My perspective is that lack of objectivity and honesty among the peoples of our world is SEVERELY ruining our society on every level, we need to get down to brass fucking taxes when it comes to every topic if we ever hope to have a world where people live in reality instead of fantasy.

Get real about kratom and get real about life.

Its a leaf in a bag that people pull off a tree and eat, other than that the only other things people need to know is

1. its mildly addictive but can lead to physical dependence when its severely over used

2. it gets you high similarly to opium without the risk of fatal OD

3. its a fucking leaf from a tree that never killed anyone


Stop lying about kratom, stop lying about life.



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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862796 - 11/24/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You said it causes a severe physical withdrawal in some instances, then go onto say it's mildly addicting, that seems a bit backwards, it's been my experience that things which cause sever physical withdrawal symptoms are not just mildly addicting, they tend to be very addicting.

I would say it's mildly addicting, but doesn't cause a severe withdrawal, it does cause a withdrawal though.

I wouldn't compare it to opium though, I have smoked opium a handful of times, and it made me fade out hardcore.  I remember smoking opium with 3 friends once, we all passed out in the car we were smoking in, then smoked later that day at a friends house, again we all passed out in a big opium orgy pile, I have never felt like that from kratom.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Lucis]
    #23862802 - 11/24/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All of what ive stated is completely true in my own life experience and the experience of all others i know personally when it comes to kratom.

When i said it was mildly addicting yet can reach a point of severe wds i meant exactly that, its not very addicting but when u put a boatload in your body for an extended period of time you eventually wake up on fire one day.

Also when i compare kratom to opium i just dont know what other natural substance to compare it to :shrug:


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862816 - 11/24/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think severe is a pretty severe word in this case.  Maybe in the rarest of rare cases, but I would say the worst it's going to get compared to full agonists is "minor". 

Minor withdrawals can seem really bad if you've never been really sick, but I've never heard of someone being completely incapacitated from kratom withdrawals like with opiates, benzos, alcohol.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862817 - 11/24/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I understand what you were saying, I wasn't trying to poopoo what you said so hope I didn't come off that way, I just view it as a very benign plant ally.

I have just never gotten so high from kratom that I was faded as fuck, it usually energizes me a bit, but I don't catch a nod, and most people I have talked to about kratom think it sucks, even many people within the opiate community think it sucks.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Lucis]
    #23862820 - 11/24/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I have had the same experience more or less.  I can't give the stuff away to the drug users I know.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23862834 - 11/24/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it's not illegal, so I see no reason for people to be paranoid talking about it on the phone.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Lucis]
    #23862872 - 11/24/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Fennario said:
I understand what you were saying, I wasn't trying to poopoo what you said so hope I didn't come off that way, I just view it as a very benign plant ally.

I have just never gotten so high from kratom that I was faded as fuck, it usually energizes me a bit, but I don't catch a nod, and most people I have talked to about kratom think it sucks, even many people within the opiate community think it sucks.




i have nodded from sedating strains when my tolerance was little to none and have also experienced very good euphoria.

same thing goes for a variety of friends of mine.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23862901 - 11/24/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well they just texted back in a non-sketchy manner so thats a good vibe!


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23863255 - 11/24/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's just Kratom, dude. That like getting busted with your grandmas potpourri.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23866759 - 11/25/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think kratom is as addictive as coffee, if I were to take either regularly at strong doses for more than two weeks I will experience some minor withdrawal/discomfort

its way better than coffee tho, and doesn't feel taxing on the body which is a plus, if anything it makes me my muscles a little more relaxed, which coffee does the opposite


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23866776 - 11/25/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got some kratom from sheeks and it helps a ton for opiate withdrawals but is for all other purposes useless to me.

Mood elevation may be so in the most liberal sense but the act of choking down bitter powder offsets the minuscule benefits.

Ive been using it every day I got it but it really hasnt done much for me. I think im gonna stop and just save it for withdrawals if I relapse


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866789 - 11/25/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously dude keep choking down that cock powder, it's worth it.  It's a subtle drug but it will keep you clean if you're in a fix.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23866798 - 11/25/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think talking about it is fine, but i pissed a ton of people off at reddit asking if people use discretion if they dose at work.

I simply said the smart thing to do would be use it with discretion (Ime this means i won't use it openly around people who aren't comfortable with me talking about acid shrooms etc.[i take the step further then people being comfortable with weed because even some stoners are dumb enough to buy the "synthetic heroin bullshit]). So if you know some hardass who doesn't think any drugs have any use (usually these people tell you this stance between puffs on a cigarette) simply WAIT for them to leave or be out of sight. You don't need to hole yourself up in the bathroom stall, or sneak out to your car.

But There's people there that post pictures of them drinking shit colored smoothies at the desk. The whole fucking reason we got into this mess is because users got to comfortable and the wrong person found out and made a huge deal out of it.

Tl;dr Yes it's legal, but realize that doesn't mean shit to most people (these days legal=bathsalt/zombie face eating drug) and all it takes to ruin it for everyone is the wrong asshole making a scene.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866801 - 11/25/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True I suppose
At its best it feels like the tail end of a weak dope shot... And that feeling is incredibly fleeting.
I havent had the means to even buy H or id be able to put that to the test


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866807 - 11/25/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're kidding yourself.  It is the closest thing to being a normal person as you're going to get, and you should than the fag Lord for that blessing not go seeking some chemical satisfaction that will only leave you miserable.  Grow up dude.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866817 - 11/25/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know...
I dont have shit right now though.
Need to get a job but the prospects are so fucking miserable.
Its hard to go from the bottom to the top without slipping.

I suppose the air force is still my best shot


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23866826 - 11/25/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to give you advice on finding a job if you want it.  Are you interested in flying machines or just want structure and feddy?


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866831 - 11/25/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Structure and money
The air force is a good option but if I find a fair civilian job I will dump the idea. Seriously working a good job makes avoiding relapse so much easier for me


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    #23866868 - 11/25/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah I totally agree.  That is my only saving grace at this point.  We even serve the military but I can kinda be myself and wander around at my own disposal.  I can already tell you're qualified as a machine mechanic and I can tell you how to get in with employers.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866880 - 11/25/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

just curious, does anyone else get cranky about 7 hours post dose while coming off the leaf? Im noticing it a little bit every now and again. short patience, road rage sort of thing?


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    #23866896 - 11/25/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

naw I used to get that from weed, but the worst comedown I get from kratom is yawns and feeling like I haven't had my coffee yet.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866911 - 11/25/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm just goes to show, individual brain chem totally matters. It's almost an mental exhaustion, a "please dont say shit to me so i dont have to think about what you said" type of deal if that makes sense


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: Mescalean]
    #23866916 - 11/25/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well I am not one to push on the ones I love, so sleep well my prince of Maine.


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Re: Kratom Phone [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23866970 - 11/25/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh nah, you don't push. Typing gives me that 5 seconds my to drool stare blankly then respond. This shit is amazing for working out though. Very surprised. I usually baby burp once a workout do to my pussy stomachs intolerance to caffeine, this, none. I felt light as a feather on it too. Oh the pros and cons. maybe redosing as this is really helping my cut down on the ganja too.

And i know some on here will poo poo at joe rogan, but he has a recent podcast with a chris bell explaining kratom. joe takes some during and says he kind likes it all while explaining how beneficial it has been to so many and giving the name to kratomcomments.org to help with the cause. was a nice change of pace from the fight and standup podcasts ive noticed hes doing alot of now


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