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YeOlde
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23874655 - 11/28/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not sure why but I'd rather smoke DMT and get the same experience that only lasts 7 minutes than one that goes on for hours. I mean if you was outside picking mushrooms 5g of dry would be what, 50g of fresh ones? You'd never be able to pick and eat all them! Just my 2 cents but I understand ultimately if it's proven harmless then go for it!
-------------------- My Psychedelic experiences: LSD - 30+ times (2 hits min / max 3 hits) every time. Shrooms - 4 times (2.5 - 3.5g) DMT - 5 times (Powerful breakthrough only once) Life can be one hell of a bitter pill to swallow so I chose acid instead -YeOlde
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: YeOlde]
#23874662 - 11/28/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can have an ego death experience simply through guided meditation. 5 grams + of mushrooms is overkill for the already spirituality minded. My main ego death was off 3.5g lemon tekked and I will never take more than that, some people will argue it's close to 5g intensity but in my case it was more than enough to die, go to heaven, experience nirvana be reborn and come back a new soul. I can ego death with 2 grams now, ego death is a mindstate, you don't need massive doses of psychedelics... I can do it with 2 grams.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23874667 - 11/28/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I always considered 3.5grams piddling. I understand taking low doses to tickle your mind a little, but even a 3.5gram dose is not what the mushroom experience has to offer. If you've never taken 5grams+ than you likely don't know what mushrooms can do, because there is a sort of threshold or breakpoint where the mushroom experience breaks off from typical psychedelia and enters realms where language fails and consciousness is truly ripped open to vastness, bliss, discovery, death and rebirth. There is a reason McKenna suggested 5grams in silent darkness.
Piddle all you want but don't forget to take a real dose at least once. 
Yeah, I totally agree with this 100%. The real beauty and power of psychedelics only happens at higher doses.
Lying down in the dark with good music on I can easily get into the death/rebirth cycle, merging with the godhead on 2g of ovoids or cyans. Beyond that, visuals might be stronger but it's not noticeably greater. I've never pushed beyond 3g of woodlovers and have no interest in doing so.
I don't know what it would take to get to like a vaped DMT level breathrough but frankly I don't find that going that far is, at least for me, what the psychedelic experience is all about. Beyond the death/rebirth cycle and merging with the universal consciousness is a space of nothingness, merging with the void and losing all memory of the experience, it is non-being rather than all-being and interconnection to the universe, and at that level it really is neither pleasant nor inspiring or life changing, it is just a vast empty chasm of psychedelic noise.
My strongest DMT breakthroughs have left me in a state of minor derealization/depersonalization, depression and shock for months, whereas 2g cyans or ovoids show me visions of paradise, blow away my ego and allow me to merge with the universe, feel more connected to my family and humanity, give me spirit quest like visions that answer questions and conundrums that have been plaguing me. It is so therapeutic and soulful.
Low dose can be fun, giggles and wiggles etc, good sex, but yeah, they definitely make me feel kind of blue balled in terms of not giving me that ecstatic godlike ultimate love. But beyond that, I think you kind of have to hate life and want to escape it to keep chasing the breakthrough, therein lies madness, escapism and feels a lot more like drug abuse than therapy. That's just my tastes. 2g woodlovers is equivalent to my 4-5g cubensis trips, BTW.
Beautifully posted 
I feel the same in DMTs case, it's like being shot in the head vs being guided. One you are instantly dead, left confused and wondering how you got there, no insight, relaxation or anything. Too much intensity, too fast for any worthwhile of meaning. Vs oral dmt you are guided to your death, and it's usually very blissfully inducing or satisfying and bombarded in love to ease anxiety. Come back with 800x more insight and meaning. Dmt leaves you confused, concentrated reality is yet to be understood
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23874697 - 11/28/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more I trip, the less weight I end up requiring.
That being said, set and setting is everything. I have had 2 gram trips take me farther than 5 gram trips (same batch). Just depends where my mind wants to go.
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Eclipse3130
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: GrandPoobah]
#23874704 - 11/28/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed, I whole heartedly don't agree with taking massive doses, for some people that would almost be counter productive. Ego death is a mindstate, the only thing that high dose psychedelics do is forcefully put that mindstate upon you, psychedelics also teach you how to get there your self. You are the psychedelic. Start using your mind instead of drugs 
If you've learned anything from your trips, is that you can do it all your self, or with very minimal addition needed.
If you are continuously needing 5-7g to breakthrough you're not doing it right believe me there are people out there who can have similar experiences with just themselves and their mind, in my case 2g of common cubensis is enough for me to meditate and drift into an ego death state of dissolution
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23874824 - 11/28/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Indeed, I whole heartedly don't agree with taking massive doses, for some people that would almost be counter productive. Ego death is a mindstate, the only thing that high dose psychedelics do is forcefully put that mindstate upon you, psychedelics also teach you how to get there your self. You are the psychedelic. Start using your mind instead of drugs 
If you've learned anything from your trips, is that you can do it all your self, or with very minimal addition needed.
If you are continuously needing 5-7g to breakthrough you're not doing it right believe me there are people out there who can have similar experiences with just themselves and their mind, in my case 2g of common cubensis is enough for me to meditate and drift into an ego death state of dissolution
So there's a Zen term "makyo" that is used to describe hallucinations and psychedelic states that arise in the course of very deep, advanced medidation. It literally means "ghost cave." In Zen they warn against these visions and the temptation to see them as some kind of "ultimate reality" or truth, they are regarded as suspect and just as illusory as the real world. So I guess from a Zen standpoint, a psychedelic trip is one long journey into the ghost cave.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: ModestMouse]
#23874873 - 11/28/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies
I wouldn't even be remotely high from that dose, i'd just be enraged by the lack of effect. Wadding in the kiddie pool instead of swimming isn't for everyone, but that's as far as some people like to take it I guess.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
#23874980 - 11/28/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find anything less than an eighth uncomfortable. Having just one foot in the door doesn't work for me.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
#23875006 - 11/28/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies
I wouldn't even be remotely high from that dose, i'd just be enraged by the lack of effect. Wadding in the kiddie pool instead of swimming isn't for everyone, but that's as far as some people like to take it I guess.
Yeah, doses like that make me feel uncomfortable, jittery and like I have a low voltage current running through me, give me weird sensations like my teeth are vibrating and some dysphoria and depressive, negative thought patterns. It needs to be a true microdose where you feel nothing but a slight elevation in mood, or a dose sufficient to get me full blown tripping, otherwise it's like the worst of both worlds and being stuck in the middle of the threshold. I do know people for whom that's all they're willing to do. Different strokes.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23875047 - 11/28/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Low doses can be fun, but if I want good visuals and objects warping/morphing I go atleast an 8th. Sat night I did 4g via tea. 1st time I did tea, came on fast. Was a nice intense trip, lost time, world around me disolving away into the universe. It was great and I loved it.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: wicca mixer]
#23875054 - 11/28/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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wicca mixer said: For me low doses or even medium doses are disappointing, although medium doses with syrian rue or turmeric and black pepper can be pretty cool.
I prefer to feel a little out of my depth when I do mushies than to be teased by a small dose.
What does the Tumeric and Black Pepper do? Is it like an MAIO?
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: germanauslander]
#23876677 - 11/28/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushroom doses are weird, low doses can be immersive on occasion but for most they cause a kind of spuddering almost good trip. I think that's why most use high doses, just because they're almost guaranteed what they're looking for or something new altogether. I love low and high doses.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: AstralAndrew]
#23880190 - 11/29/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are like the thing that connects all psychedelic people.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: sunshine]
#23880213 - 11/29/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe i haven't yet gone deep enough. I know the jitters are real on low doses. Dose that evaporate at a point?
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: ModestMouse]
#23880235 - 11/29/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Maybe i haven't yet gone deep enough. I know the jitters are real on low doses. Dose that evaporate at a point?
Everything evaporates at a point. Even your idea of yourself and the boundry between you and the ground.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: ModestMouse]
#23880793 - 11/30/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Maybe i haven't yet gone deep enough. I know the jitters are real on low doses. Dose that evaporate at a point?
Yes it does for sure. I find if I take too low of an amount I feel "stuck" between the real world and where the mushrooms want to take me. Once you eat enough to move past that point it really becomes far less anxious and more of a natural feeling to it almost like how DMT has that "supposed to be happening" feeling to it. Its like you shed that part f your ego that is like "wait, what the fuck is happening to me!?" and just experience your trip. I find anything lower than 2gs to really have me in that "stuck" position, but depending on what I'm doing. If a few people are over and I'm talking and laughing a low dose can be nice and the setting can be enough to distract yourself from the weirdness on a low dose but higher doses may as well just be alone because 90% of the time I am just curled in a ball with blankets all over me haha.
I do admit hiking on low dose mushrooms is awesome. Still lucid enough to navigate and walk without becommign jello legs haha.
I'm getting an eighth of liberty caps today, may just eat them all or eat 1 - 1.5 g and go for a walk in the woods with the fresh snow on the ground.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: SonicTitan]
#23882580 - 11/30/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Guys..
Serious now..
Low doses of mushrooms can help you unlock the full potential of your mind if you use it in combination with meditation and hypnotic techniques. They can also help you learn to effectively meditate and suggest yourself.
Then imagine the possibilities.
Astral projection? We don't know if its REAL, but we do know people experience that kinda stuff. Communication with aliens? The full potential of your mind. Places you can now only dream about, but then awake.
And never, EVER have you laughed so hard and helplessly as on a hilarious social trip with your mates where you took just enough to enhance your emotions and THEN hit your funnybone.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Asante]
#23882647 - 11/30/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can agree wit hthe laughter for sure as well as the social aspect of low doses of mushrooms. I have taken a lot of 1 - 2 g trips and always enjoyed them but when I am alone the lower doses really are not for me. Too much awkward feelings and still far too aware of whats happening. Its nice to have that company and be able to express and voice how you feel. Its all up to the individual and what they want out of their experiences in the end. Some are comfortable with any dose, some are specific. I can go either way but prefer to take a medium to high dose alone naked in my room wrapped in blankets haha.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: SonicTitan]
#23889946 - 12/03/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The more you do the types of things sober that you only do tripping such as leaving your body and other types of meditation and visualization like remote viewing, you will be more sensitive to psychedelics.. all in my experience obviously but I've understood this to be a somewhat general consensus.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: AstralAndrew]
#23889988 - 12/03/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i tried to micro dose yesterday and ate .4 which was either way too much or the mushrooms i grew were really fucking strong because it made me trip. not full on tripping balls but it was def more than a "sub perceptual" dose. i was having CEV's, it made work a lot harder (at one point reconciling bank statements made me feel like and imagine i was a naval general commanding a battle against an enemy fleet), it also gave me a little anxiety and was sort of uncomfortable.
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