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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Matai]
#23867648 - 11/25/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Matai said: I really love small doses -- in fact they're my preference! I usually dose around 0.5 - 0.8g of P. subaeruginosa myself, although those are significantly more potent than cubes, or so I'm told. I find those doses have enough effects and visuals to be really enjoyable without crossing into mindfuck territory, or having intense come-ups.
My wife is the same. But that's like 1-2g of cubes. Not that low of a dose. Subs are strong dude. They're similar in potency to cyans, if not stronger, maybe more on the azurescens range. I know a lot of people that dose cyans in that range. I prefer 1-1.25g for social trips and 2g+ for introspective shamanic visions.
I would consider .3 or less a microdose. At .5 you're still going to have noticeable mental effects, if not outright visuals. Cube users throw those ridiculous 10g+ doses out there, but those who regularly use wild woodlovers know that 3+g of woodlovers is some serious shit.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum] 5
#23867770 - 11/26/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always considered 3.5grams piddling. I understand taking low doses to tickle your mind a little, but even a 3.5gram dose is not what the mushroom experience has to offer. If you've never taken 5grams+ than you likely don't know what mushrooms can do, because there is a sort of threshold or breakpoint where the mushroom experience breaks off from typical psychedelia and enters realms where language fails and consciousness is truly ripped open to vastness, bliss, discovery, death and rebirth.
There is a reason McKenna suggested 5grams in silent darkness.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Tmethyl]
#23867994 - 11/26/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: MudaFuka]
#23868248 - 11/26/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to keep it to 3.5 gr doses. But after a while I got bored with that. I started going to 5. Then I did 6. Then one day I went for 8. I loved it. I took a break after that. When I had more again a few months later I did 3.5. I was disappointed because I knew what it could be. And actually, up until that point I still hadn't tripped like I did many years ago when I was younger. I made a thread about the other day on here.
Anyway, last night I took 20. Now, I would consider that to actually be 10 to 12 because of tolerance from tripping a couple times this week, and some of the mushrooms were big ones that were weaker. But laat night was the trip I have been trying to achieve for a while. My world was a complete wreck of color. I don't think I'll be doing much less than 7 from now on.
I would like to get some wood lovers but I'm in Texas. I am going to a friends in Oregon in the spring though so I'm hoping we can find some. I would also like to grow panaeolus but I'm afraid of heating my closet to get to temp. I imagine the fucks flying over in helicopters with imfrared cameras.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Tmethyl]
#23869678 - 11/26/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I always considered 3.5grams piddling. I understand taking low doses to tickle your mind a little, but even a 3.5gram dose is not what the mushroom experience has to offer. If you've never taken 5grams+ than you likely don't know what mushrooms can do, because there is a sort of threshold or breakpoint where the mushroom experience breaks off from typical psychedelia and enters realms where language fails and consciousness is truly ripped open to vastness, bliss, discovery, death and rebirth.
There is a reason McKenna suggested 5grams in silent darkness.
Piddle all you want but don't forget to take a real dose at least once. 
Yeah, I totally agree with this 100%. The real beauty and power of psychedelics only happens at higher doses.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: nooneman]
#23869709 - 11/26/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im in to it. Low doses are the way to go!
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: nooneman]
#23872745 - 11/27/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I always considered 3.5grams piddling. I understand taking low doses to tickle your mind a little, but even a 3.5gram dose is not what the mushroom experience has to offer. If you've never taken 5grams+ than you likely don't know what mushrooms can do, because there is a sort of threshold or breakpoint where the mushroom experience breaks off from typical psychedelia and enters realms where language fails and consciousness is truly ripped open to vastness, bliss, discovery, death and rebirth. There is a reason McKenna suggested 5grams in silent darkness.
Piddle all you want but don't forget to take a real dose at least once. 
Yeah, I totally agree with this 100%. The real beauty and power of psychedelics only happens at higher doses.
Lying down in the dark with good music on I can easily get into the death/rebirth cycle, merging with the godhead on 2g of ovoids or cyans. Beyond that, visuals might be stronger but it's not noticeably greater. I've never pushed beyond 3g of woodlovers and have no interest in doing so.
I don't know what it would take to get to like a vaped DMT level breathrough but frankly I don't find that going that far is, at least for me, what the psychedelic experience is all about. Beyond the death/rebirth cycle and merging with the universal consciousness is a space of nothingness, merging with the void and losing all memory of the experience, it is non-being rather than all-being and interconnection to the universe, and at that level it really is neither pleasant nor inspiring or life changing, it is just a vast empty chasm of psychedelic noise.
My strongest DMT breakthroughs have left me in a state of minor derealization/depersonalization, depression and shock for months, whereas 2g cyans or ovoids show me visions of paradise, blow away my ego and allow me to merge with the universe, feel more connected to my family and humanity, give me spirit quest like visions that answer questions and conundrums that have been plaguing me. It is so therapeutic and soulful.
Low dose can be fun, giggles and wiggles etc, good sex, but yeah, they definitely make me feel kind of blue balled in terms of not giving me that ecstatic godlike ultimate love. But beyond that, I think you kind of have to hate life and want to escape it to keep chasing the breakthrough, therein lies madness, escapism and feels a lot more like drug abuse than therapy. That's just my tastes. 2g woodlovers is equivalent to my 4-5g cubensis trips, BTW.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23872801 - 11/27/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, tmethyl and I were refering to 3.5 cubensis. 3 grams of pan cyan or something is much stronger.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: nooneman]
#23872865 - 11/27/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even 5 grams of verry potent shrooms like pans is only scratching the surface of what these things can do. You haven't experienced the full effect of mushrooms until you've taken more than an ounce in a dark room with your eyes closed.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23873215 - 11/27/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really interesting to hear everyone's opinions, I'm digging this thread.
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Mordecount said: Heavier trips on subs are HEAVY, dark vibes and downright scary, but still fun. Agree with what you said about the mindfucky part too, bro. There's a point where it just gets out of hand haha.
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P.Zappatecorum said: I would consider .3 or less a microdose. At .5 you're still going to have noticeable mental effects, if not outright visuals. Cube users throw those ridiculous 10g+ doses out there, but those who regularly use wild woodlovers know that 3+g of woodlovers is some serious shit. 
I definitely agree with the above, woodlovers are not to be underestimated I definitely get outright visuals at 0.5g, although they're not overwhelming and the whole experience is very controllable. At 1g things start to get pretty intense, and while I have fun it's not uncommon for me to get a bit freaked out at that dosage. The highest I've gone to is 1.5 grams, and while that's been very fun on occasion, I haven't had the courage to revisit that dosage after I got my arse handed to me on that much 2 years ago.
I tell myself that one day I'll experience some of the things that very high doses have to offer, but for now I'm content to build my confidence with occasional forays into 1g-territory. I'm convinced that I've got many years of tripping ahead of me, so I don't feel too rushed.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: MudaFuka] 2
#23873387 - 11/27/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Even 5 grams of verry potent shrooms like pans is only scratching the surface of what these things can do. You haven't experienced the full effect of mushrooms until you've taken more than an ounce in a dark room with your eyes closed.
How does it compare with a DMT breakthrough? If it's anything like that you can keep it. I don't need no 5+ hours of thinking in calculus and turning into a fractal.
I get that some people like the adventure of truly losing their mind and pushing the limits of how weird the psychedelic experience can be, but you can really go wrong that way and frankly I think it's a bit reckless to boast about it without going into detail and making some caveats for people that are inexperienced. 1oz of mushrooms is not for everybody and could easily induce a psychotic episode. Every year somebody on this board goes full psycho on a "heroic" dose and gets into serious trouble, and that's just the people who decided to write a report. Even by the end of his life, McKenna could not handle going deep anymore and regretted the whole "heroic" dose terminology but he had bragged about it too long to back all the way down. You dose too high too many times and it will take a psychological toll. I know too many burnouts.
Everybody has a dose at which they find there are diminishing returns and that the costs start to outweigh the pay-off, for me it's about 2g woodlovers or 5g cubes, for some it's 10g and for others its an ounce. I mean hell, I've heard of people that don't even get visuals until 10g. Sensitivities differ.
It is best to approach that point gradually rather than just jumping off into "epic" or "heroic" doses. It doesn't make you cooler or tougher to use drugs to excess. I find the older and more experienced I get the less I need to use, half of it is just training your mind to go to those places, the drugs are just a key to get you in the door.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23873438 - 11/27/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not boasting. I just get the impression that a lot of people fear taking high doses. I encourage them to try it. There really is nothing to be afraid of. Mushrooms don't bring anything to the table. Everything they show you was already in your head.
There are no bad trips. Some are verry difficult and painful but in the end they always teach me something about myself. If you look at mushrooms like a drug to feel good and have fun with, maybe you should stick to low doses. I look at them as psycho therapy. They help me face the hard truths about myself.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: ModestMouse]
#23873463 - 11/27/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me man I like low doses I've done all My Mega dosing when I was young. Now in my late 30s I enjoy to start with 1/2 gram and take 1/2 gram maintenance doses throughout the night
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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ModestMouse said: Man I had just a half gram yesterday of some nice shroomies and son let me tell you hwhut It was awesome!
Sure, the visuals weren't pronounced, but they didn't need to be. I got a great trip out of it. Anyone else like low dose shroomies?
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: MudaFuka] 2
#23873472 - 11/27/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I'm not boasting. I just get the impression that a lot of people fear taking high doses. I encourage them to try it. There really is nothing to be afraid of. Mushrooms don't bring anything to the table. Everything they show you was already in your head.
There are no bad trips. Some are verry difficult and painful but in the end they always teach me something about myself. If you look at mushrooms like a drug to feel good and have fun with, maybe you should stick to low doses. I look at them as psycho therapy. They help me face the hard truths about myself.
You don't know the life situation of everyone reading this thread. For some, that could be very irresponsible advice. I've gone very deep with vaped DMT as the short action is more appealing for doses that intense and I've had reasonably strong mushroom trips, never had any issues. I have however, seen and read plenty of times things went wrong, and I know a few people who had some minor mental health problems who went too hard on drugs and had full mental breakdowns, they're now completely disabled with schizophrenia. People with a lot of emotional baggage, who are struggling with mental health issues etc. should NOT push the limits on psychedelic drugs. 
Also, maybe high mushroom doses are different, but I find that 2g cyans is plenty for a therepeutic, shamanic trip. Meditation is half of the art of tripping and you don't really need all that much to open the inner eye once you've learned to meditate. At the right dose I can be completely tripping balls and astral projecting one second then if something interrupts me I'm really not tripping all that hard and can deal with the situation with a level head. Super high doses will get you there with no effort, but there's also no way to come back and get centered. I've been whited out from DMT where I am literally blind from the visuals, no semblance of reality remains and the open and closed eye experiences are identical. I don't find much spirituality in that, there really isn't much spirit left at that point.
For me, there is the point of ego death, but then there is also the point of superego death, where you're really just white-out nothing. That's not in anyway enlightening or spiritual for me personally. I know some people love DMT for that place it takes you, but I'm not a fan. I'd say anybody that thinks they want to breakthrough on a long acting drug should try it on a short acting one first. 5-8 hours is a long time to regret a dosage.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23873507 - 11/27/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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True were all different. Some people can smoke pot and go about there day. One hoot and I can't leave my house.
Personally I like leaving my body behind and traveling through space and time. Some people might find that too jarring. It's been almoste 20 years since my first 20+ gram trip. Its so common place for me I forget how intense it might be for others.
Different strokes for different folks.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: MudaFuka]
#23873783 - 11/27/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like leaving my body too, I just don't like stripping away all conscious awareness and just having my brain be like a television tuned to a dead channel. Maybe your high mushroom doses aren't like that. I'm very sensitive to psychs so it may just be my personal brain chemistry , but I find you can leave earth on reasonable doses if you're in the dark and meditating. If I were 20 and single again living alone I'd probably try a monster dose but those days are way behind me and I know my sweet spot.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23873809 - 11/27/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha. I waited till I was in my 30s with a wife and 2 kids to really get into mushrooms. I left all other drugs behind when I was in my 20s though.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: MudaFuka]
#23873866 - 11/27/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Haha. I waited till I was in my 30s with a wife and 2 kids to really get into mushrooms. I left all other drugs behind when I was in my 20s though.
Nice, mushrooms found me after about a 6 year hiatus. I moved to an area where they grow wild and found about 20 pounds wet (2lb dry of p. ovoideocystidiata). I've been doing all kinds of drugs off and on since I was twelve. I slowed down a lot after 30 but still like to trip with my wife a couple times a year and have a few epic solo runs. Mostly having a real life with jobs, kids, family and friends makes having long intense trips hard. Maybe when I'm old and retired I'll try something like 10g cyans and see where that goes.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23874157 - 11/28/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: How does it compare with a DMT breakthrough? If it's anything like that you can keep it. I don't need no 5+ hours of thinking in calculus and turning into a fractal.
I get that some people like the adventure of truly losing their mind and pushing the limits of how weird the psychedelic experience can be, but you can really go wrong that way and frankly I think it's a bit reckless to boast about it without going into detail and making some caveats for people that are inexperienced. 1oz of mushrooms is not for everybody and could easily induce a psychotic episode. Every year somebody on this board goes full psycho on a "heroic" dose and gets into serious trouble, and that's just the people who decided to write a report. Even by the end of his life, McKenna could not handle going deep anymore and regretted the whole "heroic" dose terminology but he had bragged about it too long to back all the way down. You dose too high too many times and it will take a psychological toll. I know too many burnouts.
Everybody has a dose at which they find there are diminishing returns and that the costs start to outweigh the pay-off, for me it's about 2g woodlovers or 5g cubes, for some it's 10g and for others its an ounce. I mean hell, I've heard of people that don't even get visuals until 10g. Sensitivities differ.
It is best to approach that point gradually rather than just jumping off into "epic" or "heroic" doses. It doesn't make you cooler or tougher to use drugs to excess. I find the older and more experienced I get the less I need to use, half of it is just training your mind to go to those places, the drugs are just a key to get you in the door.
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P.Zappatecorum said: You don't know the life situation of everyone reading this thread. For some, that could be very irresponsible advice. I've gone very deep with vaped DMT as the short action is more appealing for doses that intense and I've had reasonably strong mushroom trips, never had any issues. I have however, seen and read plenty of times things went wrong, and I know a few people who had some minor mental health problems who went too hard on drugs and had full mental breakdowns, they're now completely disabled with schizophrenia. People with a lot of emotional baggage, who are struggling with mental health issues etc. should NOT push the limits on psychedelic drugs. 
Also, maybe high mushroom doses are different, but I find that 2g cyans is plenty for a therepeutic, shamanic trip. Meditation is half of the art of tripping and you don't really need all that much to open the inner eye once you've learned to meditate. At the right dose I can be completely tripping balls and astral projecting one second then if something interrupts me I'm really not tripping all that hard and can deal with the situation with a level head. Super high doses will get you there with no effort, but there's also no way to come back and get centered. I've been whited out from DMT where I am literally blind from the visuals, no semblance of reality remains and the open and closed eye experiences are identical. I don't find much spirituality in that, there really isn't much spirit left at that point.
For me, there is the point of ego death, but then there is also the point of superego death, where you're really just white-out nothing. That's not in anyway enlightening or spiritual for me personally. I know some people love DMT for that place it takes you, but I'm not a fan. I'd say anybody that thinks they want to breakthrough on a long acting drug should try it on a short acting one first. 5-8 hours is a long time to regret a dosage.
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Re: I aint gonna say yall eating an eighth are doing it wrong, but... [Re: Pandemoon]
#23874199 - 11/28/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A very enlightening thread to read. Throughly enjoying it. Great job guys
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