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Sieni505
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Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees
#23859679 - 11/23/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi,
I have found few mushrooms which I need to ID quickly and so posting here for a quick guided help (genus level already good). Later I will supply further details and provide microscopy.
1. Old specimen produced pale brown spore print, maybe if production is copious, it could be treated as pinkish-brown. Found under bramble (Rubus ulmifolius/Rosaceae) in calcareous soil.
2. Found in thick leaf litter of Olive tree and I think it is Agaricus xanthoderma for its yellowing at the base of the stipe. Spore print dark cinnamon brown.
3. A white elegant mushroom with ring, quite numerous, in weedy calcareous soil littered with Pine leaves. [Lepiota, Leucoagaricus ?]
4. More or less same as 4 but taller and more rounded cap. Possibly smae species
5. Beige mushroom with distinct dull brown fibrous flocks on cap and stipe. Lamella cream with conspicuous brown wart-like structure at the edge. Calcareous soil with pine leaf litter [Inocybe ?]
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23859722 - 11/23/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Photos please?
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Groo
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23859761 - 11/23/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice fancy wordage, but instead of sounding like a refined gentleman you should buy a camera and learn how to use it as well as you speak the Lang.
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Groo] 4
#23859765 - 11/23/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Groo said: Nice fancy wordage, but instead of sounding like a refined gentleman you should buy a camera and learn how to use it as well as you speak the Lang.
That's not very friendly. Those aren't "fancy words", rather they are an apt description using common terminology.
sheesh!
Edited by RiverDweller1 (11/23/16 08:08 AM)
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Mr Piggy
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: RiverDweller1] 3
#23859779 - 11/23/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now now RD, the wildlife is easily frightened by words containing multiple syllables. We shouldn't be surprised when it backs into a corner and raises it's hackles when confronted with it.
Sieni, your description is great. Now if you'll just toss some photos in with it we can get cracking on those IDs for you.
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Sieni505
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23860568 - 11/23/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry guys! I was sure that I have included the photos this afternoon!! Well here are again the photos. Spores of no.1 on the way. 3 and 4 might be the same species.
Cheers
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23860858 - 11/23/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leucoagaricus Agaricus Leucoagaricus leucothites The last one seems more like Lepiota than Inocybe but whatever it is, it's a cool looking find. Both have white spore prints so you'd need to read actual keys for other clues.
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Sieni505
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23861927 - 11/23/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could first specimen also be a Lepiota instead a Leucoagaricus? Here are some images of spores and cheilocystidia. Pleurocystidia not seen. Gills were very compact and tough and I could not squash them properly and enough to reveal the basisia and cheilocystidia.
What do you suggest to solve this?
Maybe mash the tissue to very small pieces (<0.5mm) prior squashing?
Spores 8-11um (av 9.4) x 5-7um (av 5.8)

Cheilocystidia 26-35 x 9-14um, utriform, quite rare.

Thanks for the other ID, I agree on Lepiota rather than Inocybe but by default, furry brown mushrooms goes to Inocybe first priority! Spore print white as you said. :-)
Edited by Sieni505 (11/23/16 10:06 PM)
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23862727 - 11/24/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am not proficient with a microscope but we have a forum for just that! https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/170
Here is what I have on the microscopy for Leucoagaricus leucothites
"...MICROSCOPIC spores 7-9 x 5-6 microns, elliptic, smooth, dextrinoid, thick-walled, with apical germ pore, (Arora), spores 7-9 x 5-6 microns, suboval, rusty brown in Melzer's reagent, with large oil droplet, "walls thick, with a small apical lens-shaped plate"; basidia 4-spored, 28-32 x 8-9.5 microns, colorless in KOH; pleurocystidia absent, cheilocystidia abundant, 28-39(44) x 7-12 microns, "some slightly fusoid-ventricose with obtuse apices, some clavate to saccate", colorless in KOH; no well-defined cap pellicle formed, some slightly enlarged hyphal cells 80-100 x 7-10 microns (usually tapered slightly to obtuse apex) present as occasional pileocystidia, (Smith, H.V.), spores 7.9-10.3(12.7) x 5.5-6.3 microns, oval and symmetric in side view, pale to dark reddish brown in Melzer's reagent, thick-walled with germ pore; pleurocystidia absent, cheilocystidia clavate to ventricose; cap cuticle "short upright hyphae with elongate tip cells arising from an interwoven layer", (Sieger), clamp connections absent from cap cuticle and basidia, (Breitenbach...
There are probably a few possibilities for species for your area but I am not familiar with them.
Have you heard of or already use MushroomObserver.org? That would be an excellent place to share your findings and microscopy.
BTW, thank you for posting the microscopic workup you did. It's rare around here and very valuable!
Cheers
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Sieni505
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23865490 - 11/25/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are the hyphae of the pileipellis. How would you describe it?
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23865509 - 11/25/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It appears you are much more advanced than I am in microscopy, I'd really like to reiterate the microscopy forum of this ID sub. I think you will get much better help here. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/170
Also, if you haven't already joined MushroomObserver.org , please do! You will have exposure to professors and field researchers of the highest quality. Feed back and suggestions will be much more academic and useful to you with such a large pool of eyes to choose from.
Please keep posting here though, your skills will surely benefit me and many others!
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Sieni505
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23865710 - 11/25/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here I've created my observation - let's see what we get!
http://mushroomobserver.org/262407
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: Sieni505]
#23865719 - 11/25/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is an exceptional first observation! Welcome to the community!
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Sieni505
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Re: Identification of few mushrooms under pine and olives trees [Re: RiverDweller1]
#23867985 - 11/26/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot - I didn't realise it was so good! Well I have found a solution.
I am very confident to be Leucoagaricus leucothites. I collected three typical specimens of this species few days ago in another locality and I compared the spore micrographs – they match to the least detail (see image)! Then I realised that the maturing and oldening specimens of Leucoagaricus leucothites slowly developed a pale pinkish-brown then cinamon brown gills, the same as the specimen in question.
As a result, I am confident that specimen 1 is a very mature individual of Leucoagaricus leucothites.
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