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Man's broken spirit
    #23858299 - 11/22/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Civilized man is a broken animal. He was born whole; but he was conditioned into being a shell of a healthy human. Not only do we no longer live in an ecology compatible with our genetic heritage; but we live in modern societies which place no emphasis on community, on true spirituality, on well-being, on meaningfulness. There are reasons for our existential conundrum. Narrow birth spacing and sedentism, an artificial and inadequate living environment, and an overemphasis on individuality during every phase of life synergistically work to rape the spirit of the civilized human of modern times. If you take an animal out of its natural environment and place it in one full of poisonous practices and influences, it will not function properly. Humans are in this situation; we were never meant to live this way, and it is taking its toll. As long as we recognize the reality of the issue, and that there are knowable causes of it, we can take a small step in the right direction. But I very much doubt there's any way out at this point. One can only live, learn and come to terms with, find a constructive spirituality among, the malaise and despair. That's all we can do for ourselves as we look out through the bars.

How do you deal with the emptiness of the modern age?  Do you manage to find a whole spirituality despite the fact that our modern infrastructure and lack of sound ecology is so antithetical to it?


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23858331 - 11/22/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I call horseshit everything is perfect otherwise it would not exist, it's all meant to be this way... hence we are living it , how would we support 7. Billion humans if we did things how you think they should be done ...  oh and lastly I'm sure you would never trade that comfy bed , internet and other luxuries you take for granted


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23858345 - 11/22/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Comforts are the cause of society.  Mainly fermented beverages.

So I drink.

Can't really be spiritual.  I know psycadelics as the highst spirit.  I try thru sobriety or reducing indulging in comforts,but that mostly sucks.

Society can't agree on what makes a person spiritual.  I find that my religion of shamanism is illegal to practice highly.  It's a region that uses psycadelics and herbs.  People think it's evil.  It's not exactly using opiates or anything.  If anything it's kicking the opiate that treated pain that uses the religion.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: SinSemilla]
    #23858351 - 11/22/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Without new age technology , infrastructure , medicine and the likes we would all live to live around 30 to 40 years old , be simpletons , be at constant war and conflict , disease ridden caveman looking fuckers oh and there wouldn't be 7 billion people so your point is irrelevant since not that are alive today would exist in your utopia


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: SinSemilla] * 1
    #23858360 - 11/22/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Native people live a very long time without any modern Comforts.  A straw hut and plant medicine is all they need.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: SinSemilla] * 1
    #23858382 - 11/22/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I call horseshit everything is perfect otherwise it would not exist, it's all meant to be this way... hence we are living it , how would we support 7. Billion humans if we did things how you think they should be done ...  oh and lastly I'm sure you would never trade that comfy bed , internet and other luxuries you take for granted




We're not supporting 7.6 billion people.  3 billion of us live below the poverty line. I call horseshit on people saying everything is perfect.  That's fucking ridiculous. :shrug:


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23858390 - 11/22/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you really think the rich worked for it?  They need people to exploit, it's called making the deal.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23858397 - 11/22/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, even indiginous people have contact and comfort material possesions now.  They have modern medicines too.

This is a new age. 

The ancient ways are dying.

Without some sort of council of the wise, what leads us a species?  Corruption.

Still there is good I have seen it in my travels, and I feel a movement in my soul, one that cries that we need a new council, a council of wisdom to combat the corruption and lead humanity.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23858400 - 11/22/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you really think the rich worked for it?  They need people to exploit, it's called making the deal.




Oh, not really in many cases.  Capitalism is essentially systematic exploitation.  Some have more leverage than others, and there's a huge imbalance of wealth.  It's messed up.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23858423 - 11/22/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just saw an arrival on a people in Brazil who have never contacted the outside world.  They exist.

Rich peopl usually inherit a lot.  Then they invest it on the backs of lowly paid workers.  I don't know what people are worth to the larger image.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #23858626 - 11/22/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I feel part of the reason for the problems we face might be in part from a diminishing and devaluing of the feminine within humanity. Feeling / presence / emotional intelligence / nurturing - these would translate into being better stewards of earth and each other. it seems we swung really far into masculine-dominance and now the pendulum has to find a more balanced position by embracing the feminine.

i'm sure there are other things as well, but this one stands out to me at this moment :smile:

and by feminine I don't just mean females of our species, but the feminine qualities within all of us :smile:


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: deff] * 1
    #23858693 - 11/22/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That could well be, deff, nice post.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: deff] * 2
    #23859531 - 11/23/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I feel part of the reason for the problems we face might be in part from a diminishing and devaluing of the feminine within humanity. Feeling / presence / emotional intelligence / nurturing - these would translate into being better stewards of earth and each other. it seems we swung really far into masculine-dominance and now the pendulum has to find a more balanced position by embracing the feminine.

i'm sure there are other things as well, but this one stands out to me at this moment :smile:

and by feminine I don't just mean females of our species, but the feminine qualities within all of us :smile:




Completely agree and this ongoing poisonous fear, and attack on the 'feminine' (as though/presumed to be some isolated 'thing' apart from 'the masculine') is literally recorded in solar phallic/patriarchal myths/stories and philosophy etc beginning with the 'heroic' myths

This is when a mindset dissociated from its own organism and the natural world and others them as traps and monsters.

This insanity is ongoing as even now Bees are under threat for their survival, and millions and millions of Trees in the world are dying which follows on from desertification through millenia!! This is so serious. FAR more serious than the superficial politcal dramas that are meant to capture peoples attention. Why? because we ARE nature, and what we do to the natural world we are doing to ourselves, and causing untold misery for the generations to come.

So what is driving this insanity? Well it is an agenda of the monetary classes which use great efforts to push their propaganda onto 'the masses' to get them thinking that their thinking is their own thinking when really it has been mind-controlled into them since they started school.

It is to make you DULLED TO NATURE including your own nature!

This happened to me even though i hated school. But that and the mass media did its work on me and about 8/9 years old nature was boring, dead, and I was obsessed with cities and all the future crap that was being pushed--the push-button world.

LSD woke me out of it, and I experienced nature as VERY much alive and felt connected again.

And that is what they got more and more people hooked on, Now it is the virtual reality. Already on the pre Christmas ads, I have seen people getting presents that look like the shit Neo put on his head in The Matrix!!

It is all about distraction! Keeping you obsessed with the technomatrix while all around your ignore-ant dulled heads that continue to poison and destroy planet Earth, and then they will make pro fists promising you VERY expensive migrations to new worlds (to destroy) in 'space'.

Wake up!! This is a grassroots thing. YOU(the people in this thread who don't get it) have to change and not wait for some lying mainstream leader to pretend to care and tell you how. They are all corrupt. if you don't know that by now you never will.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23859559 - 11/23/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No, even indiginous people have contact and comfort material possesions now.  They have modern medicines too.

This is a new age. 

The ancient ways are dying.

Without some sort of council of the wise, what leads us a species?  Corruption.

Still there is good I have seen it in my travels, and I feel a movement in my soul, one that cries that we need a new council, a council of wisdom to combat the corruption and lead humanity.


The ancient ways will be here long after we and our comedically titled 'civilisation' are long forgotten and we are all dust. It's funny how we see ourselves and our 'civilisation' as the best that's ever been. So deeply conditioned and indoctrinated we are.
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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #23859809 - 11/23/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Civilized man is a broken animal. He was born whole; but he was conditioned into being a shell of a healthy human. Not only do we no longer live in an ecology compatible with our genetic heritage; but we live in modern societies which place no emphasis on community, on true spirituality, on well-being, on meaningfulness. There are reasons for our existential conundrum. Narrow birth spacing and sedentism, an artificial and inadequate living environment, and an overemphasis on individuality during every phase of life synergistically work to rape the spirit of the civilized human of modern times. If you take an animal out of its natural environment and place it in one full of poisonous practices and influences, it will not function properly. Humans are in this situation; we were never meant to live this way, and it is taking its toll. As long as we recognize the reality of the issue, and that there are knowable causes of it, we can take a small step in the right direction. But I very much doubt there's any way out at this point. One can only live, learn and come to terms with, find a constructive spirituality among, the malaise and despair. That's all we can do for ourselves as we look out through the bars.

How do you deal with the emptiness of the modern age?  Do you manage to find a whole spirituality despite the fact that our modern infrastructure and lack of sound ecology is so antithetical to it?




I go to my river front property, with all its natural splendor, the sights and sounds of the river and many beautiful trees.  I have worked at watering and fertilizing them because of the drought that we are going through.  Watching them thrive after this along with removing dead limbs, gives me pleasure.

The flip side is that even in two years I can see a massive decline in the insect and bird populations.  Far less insects, which other animals feed off of.  The bird population is down maybe 50% in the past few years.  It's depressing as hell. 

Meanwhile, the fishermen keep raping the river of the last remaining fish and probably don't give a shit about the ecology as long as they can still catch a fish.  Wait another couple of years of the Great Pacific Genocide and see how that goes.

The hunters love to go shoot a deer or a turkey with their high powered rifles and shotguns.  I on the other hand was practically hand feeding a doe and her fawn this year, they probably both got shot in this years deer season.  One poor doe has had an arrow stuck in the top of her back for over a year, imagine how that must feel.

So I have little desire to be a part of the killing scene, I love the turkeys too and they routinely troupe through my property and are quite entertaining to watch.  How somebody could wake up early to lure in some poor turkey and blast the hell of it and feel good about that is a mystery to me.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23860000 - 11/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice post, LE.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23860287 - 11/23/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I deal by smmokin buds and knowing Shiva got it covered.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: SinSemilla]
    #23860565 - 11/23/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well thats to be discussed. Evolutionary speaking we dont live right, we arent meant to live with this many people on such a small place. We are meant to live in groups of 100-150 men, atleast thats how far we got evolutionary. The last milleniums we reproduced so fast and changed so society in such a speed that there is no way we could have adapted evolutionary.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: benniesmitters]
    #23860611 - 11/23/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes that's perceptive, and for those reasons we're running into some big problems.  Who knows if the process can even be checked, let alone turned around.  What we're doing is very unnatural.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23860626 - 11/23/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All part of the plan.


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    #23860656 - 11/23/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Possibly.  Although I don't know that I'd use the word "plan" -- that's pretty loaded.  How about "unfolding."


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23861418 - 11/23/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Morel Guy said:
Do you really think the rich worked for it?  They need people to exploit, it's called making the deal.




Oh, not really in many cases.  Capitalism is essentially systematic exploitation.  Some have more leverage than others, and there's a huge imbalance of wealth.  It's messed up.




I don't think what we have is capitalism as much as corporate/military/government fascism.  True competition would be welcomed, but the situation is so far from that it's into the derivative zone.  You speak of leverage, which is exactly "the problem" ala JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank etc.  The reset won't be pretty, these are actually the "good times" before the big crash, 2008 was just a warm up.  I really don't like knowing with my being that it's gonna happen, I really wish it wasn't so.  The banks/Fed should have never been given the keys to the puzzle and now it's too late.  India, check that sad scene out for a glimpse into our future.  Lines, lines, lines.



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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23861433 - 11/23/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

broken by servitude to the all consuming driver that is money/wealth. that's part of it


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: deff]
    #23861451 - 11/23/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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deff said:
I feel part of the reason for the problems we face might be in part from a diminishing and devaluing of the feminine within humanity. Feeling / presence / emotional intelligence / nurturing - these would translate into being better stewards of earth and each other. it seems we swung really far into masculine-dominance and now the pendulum has to find a more balanced position by embracing the feminine.

i'm sure there are other things as well, but this one stands out to me at this moment :smile:

and by feminine I don't just mean females of our species, but the feminine qualities within all of us :smile:





nice.  maybe now I can stop hating so hard on the effiminate emo males that make up the millenial generation.


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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23861453 - 11/23/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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broken by servitude to the all consuming driver that is money/wealth. that's part of it






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Re: Man's broken spirit [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23861454 - 11/23/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

its only a matter of time before everything reverts back to a time similiar to the stone age.  I cant wait.


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