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has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation.
#23858125 - 11/22/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've only been able to achieve this through one meditation technique.and only a couple dozen times. what are your thoughts and expirences. no psychedelic help. weed and alcohol allowed as is any non psychedelic/entactogen/dissociative.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858152 - 11/22/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, it is a byproduct, and a distraction and should be ignored for the most part.
The only part it has in meditation practice is if you are cultivating a Kasina.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858160 - 11/22/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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even if they are coherent visions?
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858164 - 11/22/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find they are in par with the spirit world and is your spirit world. Not nearly as intense as a psycadelic yet I find it a release.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858168 - 11/22/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gotama the Monk was tempted with many visions while he sat till he was extinguished and so released and unbinded.
This is a beginners trap.
But maybe you follow another set of instructions and training or go your own way .
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858170 - 11/22/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I meditate as part of my chaos magical rituals. so that I can clear my mind faster so I guess it does make sense to ignore them.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858195 - 11/22/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is where the old saying in Zen comes into play: If you see the Buddha , kill him.
( as in referring to visions in meditation, it is mara in disguise , metaphorically speaking, or also in referring to Idol worship, ie: mere ritualism and statues of buddha etc)
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858197 - 11/22/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe Ignore is not the right word, but not to get entangled, or fall under the spell of the vision, like not to be enchanted, or spell bound by it.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858234 - 11/22/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't lose my intent is kinda what your getting at
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858250 - 11/22/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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imagine your going to get some medicine for your sick wife, and you have to walk across the city and along the way you get distracted and start following a carnival show instead of going for the medicine for the wife you pledged to love in sickness and in health forever till death... imagine your taking in the great wonderful magical like qualities of the carnival seeing AMAZING things that awe you and make you feel like your in another world!... all the while your wife is in pain and sick and can barely move expecting you to return ! but you have fell for the side-show, for maras trap. Meanwhile hours later than you had originally planned you finally get the medicine and run back home..
You come back home, and she has passed on.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858256 - 11/22/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The topic of seeing mental imagery is complex.
With weed once I imagine something it's already had an impact. So separation and keeping a good vibe is crucial. Not to go into a downward spiral. But that is not the art I see when I am on some sort of fast. Seeing art like images that have their own character. I am separated and as long as I am not shocked I continue to see. It's relaxing and it's fun.
Sometimes I lay on my back just to experience another world. I might fall asleep and I might fall into death or some other spell.
There's nothing wrong with rich experience or enchantment. As long as it doesn't feel dangerous. Enlightenment might as well be love that does not waver at any experience.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: Morel Guy]
#23858276 - 11/22/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its just the imagination. Sometimes in deep concentration or absorption meditation or before or after sleep and other times the subconscious bleeds through into the waking state and appears as a Vision like a hypogagnic dream. Dangerous? It does not matter if it "feels safe" or dangerous, because it is not real, it is like a mirage, or echo, or a magic show, or a hologram.
The only thing it can do - if it happens during meditation - is detract you and ensnare you till you let it go and go back to the practice. But even falling for it can deepen your practice. Good to know a trick inside out, so the next time it takes on another form or appearance you know its the same gag but with a different Husk.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858291 - 11/22/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually I see the world around me but only through one eye when this happens. the other eye is the one that sees the visions. sometimes it is hard to process the visions though.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858323 - 11/22/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If this is true, you may actually have Charles-Bonnet Syndrome.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858328 - 11/22/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please Look into it psilly the kid. It is not life threatening to my knowledge but it would be good to get checked up on by a professional ok?
Thats a tale tell sign of Charles Bonnet Syndrome.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858353 - 11/22/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can be dangerous. Sometimes people confuse fantasy, reality and desire. This leads to negative consequences. Seems to me to be the main problem of being human.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23858380 - 11/22/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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well it only happens during particularly intense group meditation. so I should be good.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: psilly the kid]
#23858761 - 11/22/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think there can be visions which come from your higher mind, which would be "authentic" visions - and these could contain a message or communicate meaningfully with you in some way - and then there is also the more common lower imagination at play. I don't think it's wise to make too big of a deal about visions - but at the same time I think they can be meaningful messages, at the very least to confirm you're on the right path. I also think it's easy to mistake imagination for visions, and the whole thing can get a bit convoluted.
it depends on your goal for meditating too - if it is to abide in your unborn original nature like in Buddhism, then in general they're considered distractions (though Tibetan Buddhism does make use of certain "pure visions" in the discovery of meditation techniques [sadhanas, terma] and also in the dream state [dreams of clarity]). if your purpose for meditating is for self-discovery on a more relative personal level then I think visionary experiences could be quite meaningful and beneficial, though I don't think seeking them out intentionally is wise
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: deff]
#23858785 - 11/22/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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more for clearing my mind of distractions before performing a ritual.
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Re: has any one else achieved intense OEVs though meditation. [Re: deff]
#23858793 - 11/22/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it really is just one eye, or you have partial blindness and your seeing things you may actually have charles bonnet syndrome. Check it out. alteast thats based off what you shared already.
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