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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo]
    #23859702 - 11/23/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok
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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23859958 - 11/23/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A shotgun fruiting chamber is what you use to fruit something like a cake or a tray in a plastic tub. You've already got the tub, so what you need to do is drill some holes in it. Follow this Tek by SpitballJedi on sizing and orientation of the holes and it will get you where you need to be as far as your fruiting chamber goes.

Also, you can still dunk and roll those cakes after harvesting what's on them. The mushrooms that are growing on there now need a lot more fresh air, but they also are going to need a good amount of water. If you don't dunk and roll, I would at least look into "bottom watering."


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23860606 - 11/23/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was just trying to be nice as dude does not know all of the abbreviations and what not Cron.
So many times we forget that not everyone has been on this site for years like many of us who lurk and have the free time to do hours upon even days of research before dipping our toes in bud :-)
I'm no pro on grains but I have put out a ton of cake grows :grin: and just want to pass on the wisdom that has been imparted upon me.

Laslo - FAE = Fresh air exchange
            SGFC = ShotGun Fruiting Chamber. (due to the holes that make it appear to have been                  blasted with a shotgun blast.
Best luck to ya laslo.  :cheers:
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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: cronicr]
    #23860615 - 11/23/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23860780 - 11/23/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Looks pretty gnarly bro. I've used paper towels before in a pinch but there's way too much moisture in there. Also drill some holes, make a SGFC. Listen to the pros (not me)


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo]
    #23861129 - 11/23/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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pics clearly shows that half-assed FC doesnt work "as good" as a properly built sgfc with perlite.




Yep, but he does not have a SGFC, my comments were addressing the posters making out like he was totally off the wall to be using paper towels, I am letting people know it was done before by experienced and respected growers, who had seemingly never heard of it before and were questioning/mocking it.

If he had perlite in his "unproper FC" it might have made little difference. Some, including myself, do not want to have a SGFC and so make do with what they have -many peoples situation is different, many on this forum point blank refuse to accept that for some odd reason, they see what works for themselves and think everyone should do the same or similar. And the reason people do not want to copy others is not all about teenagers growing on the sly, which some can only seem to come up with the reason why...

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spacechildo said:growing mushrooms in poor conditions is like growing MJ under a 40w incandescent light bulb, you're only stealing from yourself.



Have you any links to any 40W MJ incandescent grows with comparable results using known seeds in typical size plant pots and typical growth medium etc. I worry some might have read a bit about growing weed and been put off knowing fine well if all they have is a 40W incandescent bulb is pretty much worthless and would be lucky to manage to grow a single joints worth, and/or would have to smoke loads of it to even get a threshold dose.

Those same people reading your post and taking it literally might also think there is absolutely no point in trying to produce psilocybin in any form, be it shrooms or sclerotia, and so be totally put off any attempt of growing, thinking they would have to make a decent financial investment like with weed. While in reality they can easily grow several doses which easily match or surpass what they might be used to buying on the black market.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: blackout]
    #23861210 - 11/23/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure I'm getting your point? do you question whether proper grow lights makes a big difference or not?
I've grown bag seeds under a 40w indoor and I've grown bag seeds outside in pots, same soil, same fertilizers and there's no doubt in my mind using a 40w = stealing from your self.

if someone takes my post on proper fruiting conditions being important as saying dont grow sclerotia without spending a lot of $$ IDK what to say... :shrug:

if we stay on cubes for a while, there's no doubt simply drilling 4-6 holes and stuffing them with poly will give you way better results than growing in old school aquariums.

I grew on and off for about a decade before I really started reading up on the shroomery, I feel I can say with certainty there's just as much work/time and $$ being put into half-assing things getting half-assed results as there is to "doing it right" or at least having proper fruiting conditions.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo]
    #23861280 - 11/23/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not sure I'm getting your point? do you question whether proper grow lights makes a big difference or not?



I am saying growing under 40W of incandescent makes HUGE difference. The grow/yield would be pathetic and not worthwhile even attempting, if you did manage to grow any weed it would be so weak you would have to smoke a lot more plant material than if you had 1/10th the yield from a 400W HPS grow. The incandescent yield would likely be a lot less than 1/10th of the 400W grow, and also hugely less potent per gram.

I simply do not think its a fair comparison and am informing people who might have thought it was a direct comparison.

I am saying many who have read up about weed are fully aware of this fact, and if they take your post literally they might think there is absolutely zero point in attempting a similar "low budget" grow of shrooms. Many come on here and must be hugely put off even starting after reading about what is regarded as pretty much essential, PCs, misting, FCs etc. With very little investment you can produce product on a similar potency/quaility as commercial growers who have been doing this for decades, you might not match their BE, but many could read your post and think its not even worth bothering, if they do believe it is really directly comparable to growing weed.

I mentioned sclerotia as it can be grown with minimal investment, like those who do not want to invest any more than their 40W incandescent bulb, but you can get a very decent yield producing psilocybin with minimal investment, the same is not true of producing THC. Many are unaware of this, and your post may only convince they further that it is not worth even trying.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: blackout]
    #23861299 - 11/23/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

why do you keep bringing up price when drilling/melting/biting 4-6 small holes in a monotub is free?
its also so easy it doesnt take much effort at all, and not doing it = stealing from yourself.

as you dont fruit jars when you grow stones I dont see how that matters in this convo either..


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23861462 - 11/23/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Is any one else shocked he got fruits with no holes or perlite?

Heads up there's not much subsitition to this hobby and it's time to invest in a pc and start with agar then move it to a grain. I didn't like my cake experiences I use oats now and find that they are very nutrious



Wrong
He should start at pf tek and move from there.
If you need good advice OP feel free to :pm: me
Dick





I only did 3 cake grows threw away every shroom ecept for the ones I tested for potency. multispore is to inconsistent. Potency can very shroom to shroom cake to cake. Agar is very simple I really wish I would of started with agar and saved my self the 3 months of middle school cake making.



That's what I harvested going agar to them grain to grain then into a mono with some sterlized cvg.

I'm sure most the vets and TCs would all agree to just jump into agar.

Use the search function and look up the pasty plate tek those things are full proof.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23861933 - 11/23/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I only did 3 cake grows threw away every shroom ecept for the ones I tested for potency. multispore is to inconsistent. Potency can very shroom to shroom cake to cake.




Can I ask how you tested for potency? Because I'm pretty sure the only verified way to do that without a gas chromatograph is to eat them. Potency varies even with a grow from agar. I'm not even sure an isolate gives you completely consistent results, although it's certainly better than MS.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: r.lutece]
    #23862493 - 11/24/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't really gotta around to testing for potency cause I'm growing pe. Shots strong enough by its self plus I started with a clone.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23871276 - 11/27/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just a quick update: I drilled holes in there, replaced the towels and harvested everything, will soak them in water over night and roll them in verm tomorrow.
Hopefully I'll get the perlite I ordered delivered soon. I'll send you some photos then soon.

What's the best way of going from this grow to the next? Spore prints?

Edit: xPTxHIPPIe, I will read that tonight. Using agar means using the most potent mycelium and putting it in a petri dish right?


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: laslo]
    #23871520 - 11/27/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can take some spore prints, or you could get into agar work and start taking clones and cleaning up the genetics. Both is good. Back up plans are always nice.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: laslo]
    #23871631 - 11/27/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just a quick update: I drilled holes in there, replaced the towels and harvested everything, will soak them in water over night and roll them in verm tomorrow.
Hopefully I'll get the perlite I ordered delivered soon. I'll send you some photos then soon.

What's the best way of going from this grow to the next? Spore prints?

Edit: xPTxHIPPIe, I will read that tonight. Using agar means using the most potent mycelium and putting it in a petri dish right?




What you will start with is making clean spawn. If you had the agar now, you could clone using a piece of fruit and then begin looking to isolate for potency and speed/strength.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo]
    #23872070 - 11/27/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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why do you keep bringing up price when drilling/melting/biting 4-6 small holes in a monotub is free?



If people already have and use the tubs for other purposes which require them to have no holes then it is not "free", I have unmodified tubs I use all the time for storing food, but only once ever couple of years for growing. From reading numerous other threads I have seen many people struggle to make holes, they are poor at DIY, have no drill, have to source polyfil etc. Things some think of as trivial and easy can be very daunting and off putting to others.

I still think your comparison "40W grow" is highly exaggerated and disingenuous, unfortunately others might take it at it's word and be further put off even attempting growing, thinking it's beyond their means/abilities.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: blackout]
    #23872086 - 11/27/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well if you cant dedicate a $10 tub as a fruiting chamber then flip your lid and make sure it makes a gap between the lid and the tub.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/4

denying your mushrooms proper conditions is stealing from yourself.
screwing in a proper light bulb is just as easy as screwing in an underperforming poor light bulb.

I have a strong feeling only kids who live with their parents cant afford $10 for a tub.
like not spending $10 on a tub to make a SAB. Sure you can still get mushrooms from your subs but at the end of the grow those $10 would turn into a way better grow than any inoculated in open air.


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: blackout]
    #23872091 - 11/27/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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From reading numerous other threads I have seen many people struggle to make holes, they are poor at DIY, have no drill, have to source polyfil etc. Things some think of as trivial and easy can be very daunting and off putting to others.




and dude, if THAT's too much to ask of a person maybe mush culting isnt for them?
If you cant figure out how to make a hole in a tub, stick to finger painting :shrug:


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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo]
    #23872721 - 11/27/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you cant figure out how to make a hole in a tub, stick to finger painting :shrug:



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Re: First proper cake grow, shroomers please help [Re: spacechildo] * 2
    #23872971 - 11/27/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I have a strong feeling only kids who live with their parents cant afford $10 for a tub.




I think you underestimate the number of hobbyists who are living paycheck to paycheck.


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