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Gaspard
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Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder?
#23857437 - 11/22/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think it would cancel the effects if I also mixed with shrooms?
Edited by Gaspard (11/22/16 03:59 PM)
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23857523 - 11/22/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why do so many folks make threads about kratom in the psychedelic experience forum?...
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: openmind]
#23858391 - 11/22/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Omg this thing feels so good, i'm definitely gonna mix it with shrooms
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23858467 - 11/22/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, ethanol tends to grab more mitragynine and less 7 hydroxy mitragynine
Anecdotally, I have heard this translates to a more sedative effect as compared to water (I could have that backwards)
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: UltraLiveResin]
#23858677 - 11/22/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think shrooms would cancel or dull the effects of kratom?
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23859208 - 11/23/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: Do you think shrooms would cancel or dull the effects of kratom?
It's gonna be a lot harder to notice but I've mixed them and had some pretty good trips.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Eggtimer]
#23861465 - 11/23/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yesterday I think most of the good feeling I felt in the beginning was from the alcohol, after that I just felt very ill like I got the flu. How can people like this thing? I'm starting to think I got bunk kratom.
I just ingested 4 grams and it made me ill. Was it a bad interaction between alcohol and kratom? I only took two shots of vodka.
Edited by Gaspard (11/23/16 06:19 PM)
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23861563 - 11/23/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think Kratom is only going to be felt if you microdose mushrooms, else a good dose will just render it unnoticeable.
I consume Borneo white and / or Green MD every night (and have been a lot during the day to whilst I've been hard at work in a project) and thus, it's usually in my system when I dose mushrooms and not even something I think about. It is something I dose on the comedown and it's splendid.
Kratom won't give flu like symptoms. If you felt the drink to the extent you described (feeling 'so good') it's likely that it's going to give you the equal opposite of that the next day.
Alcohol throws open the door of the immune system. That's your culprit in my opinion.
Kratoms side effects, when they occur are nausea, sickness and dizziness. The former two caused by empty or sensitive stomach.
Kratom isn't really a big thing. I treat it in the same way as Camomile tea. Because of this, it's a substance that you have to try a good few times (varying conditions) before you can understand it.
For me, it's all about enthusiasm and I feel that's the best word to describe it.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23861646 - 11/23/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Next week I'm gonna try again without alcohol. How many tablespoons do you usually take?
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23861704 - 11/23/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've actually just started to use a tablespoon.
I use one heaped tablespoon to the measure of 6.5g, put into small shot type glass with boiling water, stirred, refrigerated for 10 mins, necked and chased with a glass of grapefruit juice.
Coffee 15 mins later.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23863597 - 11/24/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23863678 - 11/24/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
You're saying that kratom is a dissociative, and scary?....

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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: openmind]
#23863694 - 11/24/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should do a search, Kratom is a NMDA antagonist.
They could have cut it with something else though, I'm not sure.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23867875 - 11/26/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
This isn't Kratom.
It should only make you feel enthusiastic and relaxed.
it doesn't have any psychedelic properties.
Consider getting a 250g from an Internet vendor and try again. It won't yield those results and you'll enjoy it if you can pinpoint its effects. It's very subtle. Different strains only vary slightly too.
For some, who suffer from anxiety or general stress, they benefit from it and notice it more.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (11/26/16 06:10 AM)
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23868976 - 11/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: You should do a search, Kratom is a NMDA antagonist.
They could have cut it with something else though, I'm not sure.
I'm familiar with kratom and its properties, I've been using it regularly for almost 5 years now...Kratom contains many alkaloids and one alkaloid is indeed a mild NMDA antagonist, but this alkaloid is no where near potent enough and not in high enough concentration in kratom leaf to consider kratom a dissociative .
Where did you get the kratom?...It's unlikely that it was cut. Many years ago there was one brand/sample of kratom that tested positive for a tramadol metabolite, but no one has ever tested or suspected kratom of being "cut" with a dissociative (that also wouldn't make any sense from the stand point of one trying to make money from selling kratom, it would cost the person selling it more money to cut kratom with another drug)
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Gaspard said: Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
I don't see how any of that is "scary"?...How are faint hypnagogic visuals scary?...and how does that & some weird dreams make you jump to the conclusion that kratom is a dissociative?
Were you familiar with what kratom is and what it does before you tried it?....Simply and shortly put, it's comparable to something like a cup of coffee and 5mg to 10mg of hydrocodone...kratom has some relatively mild opioid activity, it can be relaxing and good for taking away anxiety, good for dulling down aches & pains, some varieties are a bit more energetic and give a boost in energy/stamina and lift in mood....It's not a dissociative, and you're the first person I've ever heard call kratom "scary" .
If you think kratom is scary...I'm really curious what other drugs you've done .
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: openmind]
#23869482 - 11/26/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: You should do a search, Kratom is a NMDA antagonist.
They could have cut it with something else though, I'm not sure.
I'm familiar with kratom and its properties, I've been using it regularly for almost 5 years now...Kratom contains many alkaloids and one alkaloid is indeed a mild NMDA antagonist, but this alkaloid is no where near potent enough and not in high enough concentration in kratom leaf to consider kratom a dissociative .
Where did you get the kratom?...It's unlikely that it was cut. Many years ago there was one brand/sample of kratom that tested positive for a tramadol metabolite, but no one has ever tested or suspected kratom of being "cut" with a dissociative (that also wouldn't make any sense from the stand point of one trying to make money from selling kratom, it would cost the person selling it more money to cut kratom with another drug)
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Gaspard said: Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
I don't see how any of that is "scary"?...How are faint hypnagogic visuals scary?...and how does that & some weird dreams make you jump to the conclusion that kratom is a dissociative?
Were you familiar with what kratom is and what it does before you tried it?....Simply and shortly put, it's comparable to something like a cup of coffee and 5mg to 10mg of hydrocodone...kratom has some relatively mild opioid activity, it can be relaxing and good for taking away anxiety, good for dulling down aches & pains, some varieties are a bit more energetic and give a boost in energy/stamina and lift in mood....It's not a dissociative, and you're the first person I've ever heard call kratom "scary" .
If you think kratom is scary...I'm really curious what other drugs you've done .
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If it was not cut with something else, then I can tell you with 100% certainty kratom is a mild dissociative. I fell asleep besides the weird dreams when I woke up the characters from the tv show I was watching looked like in this video.
Edited by Gaspard (11/26/16 04:43 PM)
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23869515 - 11/26/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: Tried again today, what I can say is that this thing is a dissociative, when I fell asleep I kept having weird dreams like cooking dinner on my dresser. When I closed my eyes I also kept seeing faint colorful patterns, scary stuff I'm not doing it again.
This isn't Kratom.
It should only make you feel enthusiastic and relaxed.
it doesn't have any psychedelic properties.
Consider getting a 250g from an Internet vendor and try again. It won't yield those results and you'll enjoy it if you can pinpoint its effects. It's very subtle. Different strains only vary slightly too.
For some, who suffer from anxiety or general stress, they benefit from it and notice it more.
I have to admit the warm feeling was not unpleasant. I'll try another vendor next time.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23870212 - 11/26/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it was not cut with something else, then I can tell you with 100% certainty kratom is a mild dissociative. I fell asleep besides the weird dreams when I woke up the characters from the tv show I was watching looked like in this video.
First you said you were only seeing "faint colorful patterns" when you closed your eyes...but now you're saying you had full on open eye hallucinations/visual distortions? How long did this aspect last?
What dissociatives do you have experience with?
I still don't see anything in your description of what you experienced that sounds like the effects of a dissociative drug. What effects did you experience that made you feel like you were on a dissociative?
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: openmind]
#23871251 - 11/27/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have to explain myself to you bro, I'm just saying what I saw, the characters in the tv show had big eyes melting faces, it was not full on hallucinations it lasted 3 seconds after I woke up.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23871302 - 11/27/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The results you describe sound pretty extreme. If you ever try again, just weigh out 2-3g and don't expect too much. I think that's a pretty good dose for a nap or a relaxed reading session.
I don't blame you if you don't try again though. My experiences have been pretty disappointing too, but I think all the praise it gets on these message boards made me a little too excited about it.
I had a couple good naps on it my first few tries taking 1-3 grams, but I was going through withdrawal symptoms from quitting a 10+ year marijuana habit, so really any distraction felt good.
Taking it now just gives me a dull nauseated feeling and a dull headache. I tried 5g one day because I thought maybe I wasn't taking enough for the good feelings, but that just made me sick for an entire day. It was awful.
I've just decided it's not for me.
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23872283 - 11/27/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: I don't have to explain myself to you bro, I'm just saying what I saw, the characters in the tv show had big eyes melting faces, it was not full on hallucinations it lasted 3 seconds after I woke up.
I was just trying to figure out why you were saying kratom is a dissociative, and why kratom was "scary" for you....since nothing in your description sounded like such.
3 seconds of mild visuals after you wake up doesn't make kratom a dissociative....(BTW, hypnagogic visuals or mild visual distortions a few seconds after waking up isn't unheard of, even if someone is completely sober, this happens to me somewhat regularly when I wake up quickly from a dream or deep sleep cycle).
To me...It just sounds like you took some kratom, got sedated, fell asleep, had some vivid weird dreams (not uncommon when one has an opioid in their system), then woke up .
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Re: Does kratom alcohol tincture feel different from just eating the powder? [Re: Gaspard]
#23872555 - 11/27/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gaspard said: I don't have to explain myself to you bro, I'm just saying what I saw, the characters in the tv show had big eyes melting faces, it was not full on hallucinations it lasted 3 seconds after I woke up.
Hallucinations perceived a few seconds after wake are usually the result of having introduced phsilocybin to the system at some point.
'Flashbacks' tend to occur frequently as the brain is pulling out of the alpha state. The 'wide channel'.
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