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Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars
    #23856647 - 11/22/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys,

we have a small mushroom cultivation shop in town and he also sells filters for jars. I talked to the guy there a bit and I found out: His Filters are just circles cut out from surgical masks like these:





Has anyone tried this before? You could cut them out in the size you need and use them as SFDs over the whole jar hole or just cut small circles to use them with silicone on jar lids.

What do you guys think? Could that work? I mean they allow GE (for breathing you know) without letting any contamination go through (to avoid infections during surgical operations).

That might work - he says he has never any contamination problem.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857565 - 11/22/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Use the search engine to look up making filters from tyvek bodysuits.  You can make more at a lower price.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: Tira] * 1
    #23857637 - 11/22/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You have a mushroom growing shop in your town.

Real life?

That's crazy man. Crazy cool. I often wish I lived elsewhere.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23857660 - 11/22/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you buy sticky felt patches, you don't have to change them every single time.

Edit: I've never tried this method but the masks are made for catching mouth bacterias so i cant see why it wouldn't work.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23857756 - 11/22/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tira said:
Use the search engine to look up making filters from tyvek bodysuits.  You can make more at a lower price.




Tyvek is known as causing some problems. Furthermore it's an American product, we in Europe don't have it. Surgical mascs can be bought in every country that has hospitals :laugh:


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You have a mushroom growing shop in your town.

Real life?

That's crazy man. Crazy cool. I often wish I lived elsewhere.




Yeah, that's really cool, it is an online shop but I called him and he invited me to his warehouse. I can get there everything I need. And I live in a city with not more than 300k citizens :smile:



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If you buy sticky felt patches, you don't have to change them every single time.

Edit: I've never tried this method but the masks are made for catching mouth bacterias so i cant see why it wouldn't work.





Good idea with the patches. I will try the masks as filters next time but I'm a noob and maybe I cant say if they work well ... therefore I ask if someone tried them or one of the pro is willing to try it.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857780 - 11/22/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You should go on eBay.
I've purchased all of my cultivation gear on eBay at a pretty low price.
I have masks like this too bought in China, they work great and I think i payed less than  1 euro for 100.

Takes three weeks to get home though.

Edit: How do you plan on using these patches from the mask?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23857830 - 11/22/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The stuff at the store here is very cheap and i further get 20% discount :smile:

I don't know yet, cause I don't have a drill bit I think I will try to put it between jar and lid and just screw the lid on :smile:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857843 - 11/22/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Okay nice. What ever is easiest.

I wouldn't put the mask inside of the jar.
There have been more posts with people doing that and getting contamination in the filter because it sucks the moisture from the cake/grains ect.

Put your filter on the outside, the inside is for spawn. :thumbup:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857871 - 11/22/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dont use that stuff. get proper filters. use tight polyfill (polyester) if you dont wanna wait for shipping.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23857882 - 11/22/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But how to do that with jars with one piece lids?

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dont use that stuff. get proper filters. use tight polyfill (polyester) if you dont wanna wait for shipping.




I can and want to wait for shipping, but the company selling SFDs didn't answer my two mails about shipping to Germany.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857890 - 11/22/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

it was a trick question, you never wanna wait for shipping. :tongue2:
stuff some polyester in those holes. tightly.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23857922 - 11/22/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, I'm using polyfil at the moment and it works fine :smile:

But maybe theres an easier way, cause stuffing polyfil really tight is always a hard job :laugh:

Have you every tried aquarium filters? They are also 100% Polyester but far more dense than pillow stuffing.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857949 - 11/22/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

sounds expensive. stuffing poly is a 1 time job tho. how many new lids do you need anyway before your sfd's come?
which you'll cut to size and silicone on.. I dont see any reason what so ever to use those masks.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23857963 - 11/22/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

was just interested if someone tried that.

I would not use silicone, I thought just to screw the lid on the jar with the mask filter in between. It's so thin, it can be screwed into the threadings.

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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23857968 - 11/22/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm talking about the sfd's you're waiting on.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858029 - 11/22/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There was a language problem I think, I have not bought any SFDs til now. The ones from America I couldn't order cause the shop didn't answer my mail about shipping to Germany and here nobody is selling SFDs.

What are the SFDs made from? I can't imagine they are produced only for mycology. Maybe they are used in a different hobby or different profession and I could look for them there? Understand what I mean?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23858061 - 11/22/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

polyester afaik :shrug:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19938845/fpart/all/vc/1

why would you rather use an untested version of sfd's than the tried and true poly stuffed holes BTW`?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858097 - 11/22/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Go for the sticky filter patches if you wanna try something New.

They cost nothing and doesnt need to be replaced everytime.

They are just like SFD's. You can also just inject  through Them if you dont have SHIP's in your lids but it reduces durability thought.

I did find the SFD's to be really annoying regering finding the inoc holes...


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23858109 - 11/22/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what's sticky filter patches?

I hope you're not inoc'ing through your sfds?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858117 - 11/22/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The patches you put under chairs, tables and what not.

Well.. RR told me to, so ofc..:rolleyes:
I dont use them anemone though.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23858130 - 11/22/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

RR never told you to inoc through your SFDs bro :lol:

I wouldn't use the stuff meant for pushing chairs around on wooden floors for GE on grain jars if that's what you're implying..


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858231 - 11/22/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess you're right.
When i think about it, he only shows inoc. When making cakes.

Yeah thanks what I mean.
I use them and they work great.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23858245 - 11/22/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They seem to be just a dense felt; is there a reason you can see that they wouldn't work as well, spacechildo?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: r.lutece]
    #23858269 - 11/22/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They seem to be just a dense felt; is there a reason you can see that they wouldn't work as well, spacechildo?




they're not meant for mush culting and you have no idea abuot their microns or how much GE they allow..


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #23858297 - 11/22/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's pretty true for polyfil, Tyvek, and regular EZ felt too, though. While those are certainly time-tested, I see no reason that the sticky felts shouldn't work as well as those. (I want to note that I'm not advocating for them over SFDs, but they don't seem to me as a significantly worse alternative to some of the other improvised filter materials.)


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858309 - 11/22/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats true. But do we know the microns on stuffed polyfill?
No we just know it works because it has been tested.
It's not really meant for cultivation of mushroom i guess.

These patches works pretty great thought.
They do allow plenty GE and i haven't gotten any contam so i guess they a tight enough too.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: r.lutece]
    #23858322 - 11/22/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

how do you know they allow sufficient ge? all those you mention do. tyvek and ez felt I have 0 exp with but seen plenty of people complain about failures with them. tyvek is 1 time use, that's very impractical.
I wouldn't call them improvised either... they're tested, they work.

I dont see any reason to use untested materials as filter, especially for a newb who just wants success.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858329 - 11/22/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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how do you know they allow sufficient ge? all those you mention do. tyvek and ez felt I have 0 exp with but seen plenty of people complain about failures with them. tyvek is 1 time use, that's very impractical.
I wouldn't call them improvised either... they're tested, they work.

I dont see any reason to use untested materials as filter, especially for a newb who just wants success.




I definitely agree that Tyvek is a pain in the ass. And please don't take the word "improvised" here to mean untested; just that they are materials being used for a purpose other than the one for which they were intended.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: r.lutece]
    #23858361 - 11/22/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

good point :thumbup:

as you may've understood IDK if those chair-thingys work or not, my point was dont suggest it as a filter to a new guy who wants success,
if anyone wanna prove how good something works make a thread and do a side by side, I'll be all popcorn and rooting for your success! :thumbup:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23859335 - 11/23/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I dont see any reason to use untested materials as filter, especially for a newb who just wants success.





That's the point! That's the reason why I didn't try them, I think I won't even be able to tell if they work well or not :laugh:

So I thought better start a thread and ask, whether some of the pros here used them.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k] * 1
    #23859493 - 11/23/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, why does everyone on this site always seem to think it's a crime to deviate a tiny bit from the TEK? You can try some stuff for yourself, and if it doesn't work out too bad, you ain't got shit. But if it does work out, maybe you found something to help others cultivate. Experiments lead to progress, but you do need to put some thought and research into them.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: Tiamo] * 1
    #23859517 - 11/23/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They think that because its all about Yeild vs time spent trying something new. In the old days people did crazy nee teks all the time. Only a few survived because they are designed to meet litte yield. I wonder if its the cheap mask he means or the more pricy ones


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    #23859534 - 11/23/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I couldn't care about yield. If I want to trip I can trip, who cares about a failed grow? I don't care about time spent, this is a hobby.  :justdontknow:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: tump]
    #23859551 - 11/23/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They think that because its all about Yeild vs time spent trying something new. In the old days people did crazy nee teks all the time. Only a few survived because they are designed to meet litte yield. I wonder if its the cheap mask he means or the more pricy ones





The guy I have the idea from uses the high-priced Braun Masks. The price is irrelevant, important is, that they are surgical masks and not normal "doctors masks". The reason is that only surgical masks alow GE while they stop all bacteria and spores to come throug.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23859610 - 11/23/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

See it's the cost then. Cheap mask like we think of are cheap as hell the good mask are more pricey and have carbon based filters that are forces a tight fit on people to prevent sickness
I was bored last night so i try finding the mirco size rate on the mask. The cheap ones only filter 95% of common virus.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: tump]
    #23859744 - 11/23/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

just checked ebay out, i found a great shop called ukmushroomsupplies I guess ill buy from him when I switch to grains


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spongegar]
    #23861472 - 11/23/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The felt patches has been tested too.
I haven't seen them on here thought but i bought them on ebay and it was actually from ukmushroomsupplies.

He sold them as GE filters and i made the conclusion that they were the same as for the chairs etc. which have worked out fine for me.

I wouldn't recommend something 'new' that  i haven't tested myself.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23861508 - 11/23/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

are these the patches you bought?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orchidea-fungo-cultura-ampolla-filtri-autoadesivo-autoclave-sicuro-traspirante-/122197396375

I couldn't find any felt patches or similar from that vendor but he do sell SFDs :super:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23861515 - 11/23/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23862455 - 11/24/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Man you are great! 4,50 Euro for shipping is ok :smile: I'll buy them! :smile:


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23862552 - 11/24/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey,

I have a question to lids with polyfil filters.

After using the jars I clean them out and so I also wash the lids with water. Is it bad for the polyfil filter to get soaked by water or can I just dry them without any problem?


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23862629 - 11/24/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can wash and dry polyfill. It is hydrophobic Polyethylene fiber. Make sure they are really dry before you use them again.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23863171 - 11/24/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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are these the patches you bought?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orchidea-fungo-cultura-ampolla-filtri-autoadesivo-autoclave-sicuro-traspirante-/122197396375




Yes it's them.

They're a bit pricey so i found them elsewhere afterwards.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: TheShroomster01]
    #23863224 - 11/24/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

those are proper sfd's mate :thumbup:
just make sure you dont buy the paper thin sfd stuff.. I wouldn't trust them to last more than a few runs.
so if you did, and you start running into problems, dont get frustrated but try and replace your filters instead!


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #23863254 - 11/24/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:
I tried to use very thin .22 membrane filters with limited success. Even in the first run.


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: AlCapone2k]
    #23863347 - 11/24/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tyvek is known as causing some problems. Furthermore it's an American product, we in Europe don't have it. Surgical mascs can be bought in every country that has hospitals :laugh:






Lol, it's perfectly possible to find tyvek in Europe.....It's even easy i would say.
It costs around 5€ per meter if you buy it at a Kite shop
You can find it in paint suits exactly like in america as well
And certainly in a lot of other products


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Re: Using surgical Masks as a GE Filter in Jars [Re: enlightenment]
    #23863382 - 11/24/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i figured.
No thin filters. I think they're thicker actually.
Thanks your the tips though.


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