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Did you ever see drugs as evil
#23856120 - 11/22/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So when I was younger I never saw myself doing any type of drug few years pass by and I end up trying weed and mushrooms opened my mind never thought I would try anything else several years after that I tried lsd,dmt,cocaine,dxm,ketamine and prescription opiates/codeine. Very mind expanding ilost a lot of my old self and grew in ways I never saw myself growing.my question to you shroomerites is did you ever see yourself trying drugs, what got you started, what were your view on drugs, has this view changed and if so how?
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856133 - 11/22/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont even know where the idea of drugs or the influence came from, but Ive always been into them. I remember when I was a child I had a tiny cup and would pretend it was a shot glass. I would fill it up with water and take shots. I snorted smarties. I smoked plants I found in my back yard.

No fucking idea. Neither of my parents drink or do drugs.
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Can are need to experiment with are consciousness be hardwired into are d.n.a as almost a survival technique similar to Terrance McKennas stoned ape theory
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
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Like Rua said, I was fed a lot of anti drug propaganda growing up, which made me perceive hard drugs like crack and heroin as evil. But I always had the suspicion that they were not entirely accurate or not imparting the entire truth, which I leaned later on was true.
Now, I know that there are no evil drugs. A substance is inherently neutral. In the same way that you cannot blame overeating on the food being evil. It's you.
I have used "hard" drugs without even the slightest trend towards addiction. It's possible to shoot heroin or snort cocaine a few times, enjoy the shit out of it, then move on unharmed.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Tmethyl]
#23856204 - 11/22/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can remember as young as 5-7 promising myself to never drink alcohol or soda because of everyone else. I have many personal reasonings for it but I drink soda as much as I drink beer which is less than 5 times a month
I was also a part of DARE (drug awareness resistance education) Such a simple time in life....
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856215 - 11/22/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never really knew much of anything about drugs until the 5th grade when DARE came to our school and told us all about LSD and how it would make you go insane and it only made me acutely interested in trying drugs. Thanks DARE. So I got a real good early start to the world of drugs, throughout high school was a major pothead and acid and mesc eater. I was against meth and heroin and crack and PCP and coke and shit because of the fucked up things I saw happen to people on those drugs and the lives ruined. Oh and alcohol.. that's the worst one. I still kind of am against those drugs although I do see they can all have value in the right circumstances. Heroin is fucking great but lots of people suck at moderation and self control.
I think all drugs should be legalized. So no... drugs aren't evil... drug laws are evil. If some drugs ruins some lives some of the time because some people can't handle their shit... criminalizing drug use just make everything worse in every way.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856224 - 11/22/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah when I was a kid I was against all drugs. That only changed when I was a teenager. I was depressed, everyone seemed to be smoking weed, and I figured what did I have to lose? Maybe it would make me feel better. It did, and the rest is history.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Dark_Star]
#23856229 - 11/22/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I too think drugs shouldn't be illegal the drug war is a war on people most problems involving drugs are caused by there illegality.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856234 - 11/22/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Having both seen the benefits of certain drugs, and lived through the darkness of addiction I agree. The war on drugs is a failure, and the evidence to that effect is overwhelming. Unfortunately the powers that be continue to cling to it.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856273 - 11/22/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ultron said: did you ever see yourself trying drugs, what got you started, what were your view on drugs, has this view changed and if so how?
I read about drugs in a science magazine/book, and I saw a history channel program on drugs, this made me want to try drugs, specifically LSD and pot. I have never been peer pressured into using, also didn't think it was going to make me cool, I just thought they looked interesting, so after I tried one, I tried them all because I figured if one substance could be like that, then what would the other substances be like. I was taking codeine syrup, hydros, xanax out of my stepdads stash for a while before I ever tried the stuff I couldn't get from the medicine cabinet.
My views on drugs were not bad at all, which I don't know why because it seemed like everyone else was a product of Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE), I never swallowed that pill. I am diagnosed ADHD, I don't know if there's truth to that, but I will say some people think that those that are ADHD have nothing wrong with them, they're just told they do because they don't respond well to institutionalized programming. I think I have always had the desire to lift the veil, and see something for what it is, rather than believing mass hysteria.
My views now have changed, not for the negative though. I am in my 30's, the main reason I post about drugs here, is so that I might help educate those that are younger and just getting into drugs to use substances properly, and to cut some of the ignorance associate with drug use. While I don't condone hard drug use (coke, meth, heroin) I will not tell someone that they shouldn't use those things, I understand people are going to use drugs regardless of being told how it can be a slippery slope. I know I never listened to people in the past that warned me about the dangers of IV heroin use, I was stubborn and stupid, and this lead to years of addiction, but it was real and that's what mattered. I will never talk down about such things, but I find it more important to talk about harm reduction, and if you're going to use, to go about doing so as safely as possible.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Lucis]
#23856285 - 11/22/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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when i was young there wasnt much mention of drugs but my parents were against it. when i first heard about marijuana and specifically psychedelics i immediately feel in love with the idea that you could experience different things and hallucinate and i thought that was amazing. i think this was around grade 4-5. This was about at the time dare came to our school and showed us the hunter S thompson collection of "drug samples" to show us the "evils" of it and i was excited and almost turned on by the illicitness. I fantasized many times at 10 years old to what it would be like to try a drug. Like a lot too, the thought would be on my mind like everyday. I remember having a class mate that would harass me from time to time because i showed interest in drugs. the kid said "bad boy bad boy, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when i tell on you." it was awkward when i had to explain to my parents why i was looking up drugs on the internet at that age after booking my browser history luckily i came up with some excuse that worked.
so i guess i feel lucky to say that there has never been a time were i was anti drug, did not fall for propaganda because i was never one for following dumb rules.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856290 - 11/22/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I often wonder if there's something to the ADHD thing I mentioned in my first post, because my older sibling bought the DARE thing hook, line, and sinker. He thought pot was horrible, that it made your dick shrink, all the typical propaganda a young guy is told so they don't smoke, it wasn't until years later that he got into smoking weed occasionally.
Even with shrooms, he didn't dose until he was in his late 20's because of having a limited view of such things. I have tried to get my mom to dose because she has gone through many traumas, and I KNOW that a dose would benefit her, I just know it with every fiber of my being! When I have talked with her about it she always asks if she would go crazy, it's funny how much her views have been skewed by poor information and religion.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Lucis]
#23856611 - 11/22/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was really interested by certain drugs but i never thought i would do them.
I used to have dreams that i would find my dads old weed in the house and try it once and become hooked. 
A couple times i have had dreams where i smoked one cigar or cigarette and got hooked.
And ONE time i had a dream that i smoked crack and got hooked.
I didnt think i would even try weed. The eventually i wanted to try weed one time when i was an adult. Thats when i became sort of interested. My friend and i (he was acctually a pot head in grade 7 but i was still to scared to try it) would sometimes pretend we were smoking joints. Mostly we would rip off a small peice of paper, put it on our tounge and say "and here we go" and we would snort pixie sticks. Once he took a fancy breif case with a cut open bag of flower in it and snorted it and told me it was real cocaine lol.
Then i tried weed and then got interested in mushrooms and LSD for exploring my mind and then more and more frugs became exceptable to me. Starting with all psyches then more and more and more. Ive also become smarter so some drugs that i might have tried at one point i decided not to.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Lucis]
#23856623 - 11/22/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ultron said: did you ever see yourself trying drugs, what got you started, what were your view on drugs, has this view changed and if so how?
I read about drugs in a science magazine/book, and I saw a history channel program on drugs, this made me want to try drugs, specifically LSD and pot. I have never been peer pressured into using, also didn't think it was going to make me cool, I just thought they looked interesting, so after I tried one, I tried them all because I figured if one substance could be like that, then what would the other substances be like. I was taking codeine syrup, hydros, xanax out of my stepdads stash for a while before I ever tried the stuff I couldn't get from the medicine cabinet.
My views on drugs were not bad at all, which I don't know why because it seemed like everyone else was a product of Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE), I never swallowed that pill. I am diagnosed ADHD, I don't know if there's truth to that, but I will say some people think that those that are ADHD have nothing wrong with them, they're just told they do because they don't respond well to institutionalized programming. I think I have always had the desire to lift the veil, and see something for what it is, rather than believing mass hysteria.
My views now have changed, not for the negative though. I am in my 30's, the main reason I post about drugs here, is so that I might help educate those that are younger and just getting into drugs to use substances properly, and to cut some of the ignorance associate with drug use. While I don't condone hard drug use (coke, meth, heroin) I will not tell someone that they shouldn't use those things, I understand people are going to use drugs regardless of being told how it can be a slippery slope. I know I never listened to people in the past that warned me about the dangers of IV heroin use, I was stubborn and stupid, and this lead to years of addiction, but it was real and that's what mattered. I will never talk down about such things, but I find it more important to talk about harm reduction, and if you're going to use, to go about doing so as safely as possible.
I have never viewed drugs as evil.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856666 - 11/22/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, and I still see a lot of drugs as being dangerous and destructive. One would have to be extremely naive or never have been to an inner-city to think drugs are all rainbows and unicorns.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Sheekle]
#23856731 - 11/22/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drugs themselves aren't inherently evil, they're just molecules, but some of them can cause extremely intense suffering which can cause people to become evil or do evil things out of desperation or insanity
Some drugs are more capable of this than others and thus have developed more of a stigma in the minds of people in general, while other drugs have been demonized by society when in reality said drugs are nowhere near as destructive as other drugs which are legally available
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Shroomism]
#23856735 - 11/22/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: So no... drugs aren't evil... drug laws are evil.

As I've heard before "The most dangerous thing about marijuana is that it's illegal."
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Tmethyl]
#23856749 - 11/22/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I used to be very against them in highschool
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Sheekle] 1
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lol i just read that D.A.R.E decided to remove mention of marijuana from the curriculum because apparently D.A.R.E was sending the wrong message that cannabis is as dangerous as heroin or crack making people believe heroin is no big deal when compared to pot which ended up giving a destructive impression to people who do decide to use drugs.
and apparently d.a.r.e has been unsuccessful in stopping drug use and there is evidence that it makes them more likely too.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23856766 - 11/22/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: and apparently d.a.r.e has been unsuccessful in stopping drug use and there is evidence that it makes them more likely too.
The moment you make something seem forbidden you make it desirable. Especially when dealing with kids. In my personal experience, D.A.R.E made drugs appear mysterious and intriguing..
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Tmethyl]
#23856770 - 11/22/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes. Because drugs are evil.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856777 - 11/22/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: lol i just read that D.A.R.E decided to remove mention of marijuana from the curriculum because apparently D.A.R.E was sending the wrong message that cannabis is as dangerous as heroin or crack making people believe heroin is no big deal when compared to pot which ended up giving a destructive impression to people who do decide to use drugs.
and apparently d.a.r.e has been unsuccessful in stopping drug use and there is evidence that it makes them more likely too.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
#23856782 - 11/22/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drugs are just drugs dood
Calling drugs evil is like calling salt & pepper evil
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Tmethyl]
#23856783 - 11/22/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: and apparently d.a.r.e has been unsuccessful in stopping drug use and there is evidence that it makes them more likely too.
The moment you make something seem forbidden you make it desirable. Especially when dealing with kids. In my personal experience, D.A.R.E made drugs appear mysterious and intriguing.. 
why would they even call their program D.A.R.E? Makes them seem like the serpent secretly trying to influence you into eating from the forbidden tree. The whole program was just a massively counter-productive operation and the irony is pretty funny.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23856786 - 11/22/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everyone knows drugs aren't actually evil. A lot of them just cause evil things to happen for a lot of people who use them
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Sheekle]
#23856797 - 11/22/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was addicted to meth for years and I never let it compromise my morals
Evil is found in the hearts and souls of men, not in a chemical
That's just my opinion tho, drugs definitely have the power to unlock said evil but they in themselves are just chemical structures
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856815 - 11/22/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. I had an interesting situation as a kid so I saw a lot of shit when I was young. I can remember e-tards running around when I was 3 years old. My dad used to be an alcoholic, and drank with his brothers a lot. My mother couldn't be trusted to stay with us kids when he had his little bit of time off from his multiple jobs so we went with and hung with the cousins and shit. To this day when I think of my uncle Willy I think of the smell of hash. I probably got a second hand high too. I remember being young and standing over the ashtray with the cigarette burning and inhaling it to see what was up, not that I didn't already know like that was back when smoking in the car was normal. My dad was very open with me about his drug use(but not too open). I heard things when I was younger, I knew he grew dope by the time I was 7, he didn't tell me I just knew. Which was the same year I officially found out about Santa Claus, not that I didn't have an idea before.
When you're young around a bunch of drunk adults you see and hear weird shit. I had a fascination with acid from the age of 10 probably, attributing it to the peak drug experience and wanting to just try that because I figured nothing could be any more than that. I ended up trying pretty much everything before it unfortunately. Anyway the point is I never thought there was anything wrong with drug use, and as it's been said in this thread, DARE did not fucking help at all.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: OhMrJohnson]
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Calling drugs evil is like calling salt & pepper evil
salt and pepper don't ruin lives though
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
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salt and pepper don't ruin lives though
well im very worried about my sisters health as she suffers from obesity. Food addiction can be as insidious and destructive as some drugs but i dont wage war on junk food because my sister cannot control her behavior.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
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salt and pepper don't ruin lives though
well im very worried about my sisters health as she suffers from obesity. Food addiction can be as insidious and destructive as some drugs but i dont wadge war on junk food because my sister cannot control her behavior.
salt and pepper are basically condiments though, not food. Pepper is healthy, contains minerals and micronutrients, and piperidine has been shown to help your body absorb nutrients from other food.
Salt isnt particularly healthy, but the jury is still out about whether or not it actually causes high blood pressure on its own.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
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but your statement saying drugs ruin lives is about as accurate as saying food ruins lives.
both can be true, but dont have to be if you have self control.
with self control food and drugs and be a positive experience.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856875 - 11/22/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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both can be true, but dont have to be if you have self control.
with self control food and drugs and be a positive experience.
Drugs require a whole lot more self control than food, and food is actually necessary to survival. Doing drugs isnt.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
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As children, it's easy to be uninformed on complex issues and buy into any idealistic philosophy crammed down our throats, from religion to the war on drugs. We just need to make sure the children are pacified with smartphones and adderall while we teach them their morals and values.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
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Gresh said: Drugs require a whole lot more self control than food, and food is actually necessary to survival. Doing drugs isnt.
huh? you're saying sugar doesn't have a similar addictive effect as drugs like cocaine? where is your evidence for that.
You can argue that one wouldn't need drugs like cocaine, but many people lives would be considerably worse if they had no access to things like medical marijuana or kratom. some people NEED drugs to live a decent life.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856913 - 11/22/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: but your statement saying drugs ruin lives is about as accurate as saying food ruins lives.
both can be true, but dont have to be if you have self control.
with self control food and drugs and be a positive experience.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Sheekle]
#23856917 - 11/22/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856920 - 11/22/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure our ancestors that survived ice ages and famines are the reason carbohydrates create such a strong reward-pleasure reaction in the brain. On the other hand, cocaine's never been necessary for survival in our history as humans. Totally incomparable substances in terms of their "addictive" qualities.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23856928 - 11/22/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: cocaine's never been necessary for survival in our history as humans. Totally incomparable substances in terms of their "addictive" qualities.
i know i said so. sorry i didnt intend to start an argument i realize im a little off with my comparisons. cocaine and heroin are obviously worse because of the withdraw and stuff but people can really take anything too far.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856934 - 11/22/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cocaine doesn't have withdrawals. It's not physically addictive.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856941 - 11/22/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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seeing the hold sugar has some people who are obese has me wondering how some people respond to it in such an addictive way. looks the same as someone who is addicted to heroin. Makes me wonder which is harder to overcome.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23856943 - 11/22/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Cocaine doesn't have withdrawals. It's not physically addictive.
heroin i mean
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856954 - 11/22/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stop wondering and find out. Simple as that. Start with the Nucleus Accumbens.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23856957 - 11/22/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Stop wondering and find out. Simple as that. Start with the Nucleus Accumbens.
good idea   I should probably educate myself on the specifics of the brain region also was just look on the internet for pop education and this was an interesting article https://authoritynutrition.com/10-similarities-between-junk-foods-and-drugs/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7533668/Junk-food-as-addictive-as-heroin-and-smoking.html
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23856966 - 11/22/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some drugs are Evil. BZ for example.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23856996 - 11/22/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The body craves carbohydrates because they're essential in the function of the cell cycle, being the basis for things like ATP. Being radically anti-sugar and directly comparing it to addictive drugs is disingenuous IMO. What are the motives of the people writing these things?
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23857010 - 11/22/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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im not sure im no expert.
but i think to say that refined sugar/junk food has nothing in common with the addictive qualities of other hard drugs would be disingenuous as well
personally being one who has used hard drugs in the past, the strongest cravings i feel are for junk food. stronger than my craving for drugs. But i have self control and don't compromise my health for pleasure so with anything, drugs or food i know when to stop.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23857021 - 11/22/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've always percieved drugs as being evil. I respect the dangers of drugs. Meth, Coke, H, etc. These are all potentially life changing as potentially lethal drugs. I do not fuck with these drugs.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Patlal]
#23857039 - 11/22/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How does that make them evil? It makes no sense. Danger in some inanimate object does not imply it's evil. I could probably choke to death on a spoon if I was retarded enough.
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XLCaps said: How does that make them evil? It makes no sense. Danger in some inanimate object does not imply it's evil. I could probably choke to death on a spoon if I was retarded enough.
how many people are killed by spoons each year?
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
#23857054 - 11/22/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check koods' signature.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Adolin]
#23857059 - 11/22/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's not the point. Level of danger doesn't prove your point. This is no different than saying guns are evil, and they kill tons of people every year.
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Also, last I check Pat is atleast borderline alcoholic. That drug is fucking evil if there ever was one, people OD all the time. In fact I'd say probably 75% of users at one point OD or come real close to it. He has a clear bias.
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...argues drugs can't be inherently evil based on level of danger ...turns around and posts that alcohol is evil based on OD potential.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23857074 - 11/22/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I was just saying it's dumb of him to say those drugs are evil and not include pretty much the only one he does. It just makes him look like he bought into the propaganda.
Which is why I said, "He has a clear bias."
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#23857077 - 11/22/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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to be fair i dont think he was saying alcohol is evil. He said if there WAS an evil drug it would be alcohol. To make a point showing his hypocrisy
nuances matter
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23857091 - 11/22/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's having the cake and eating it too. And sugar is an evil drug, too lest we forget so that cake is evil as fuck.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23857098 - 11/22/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think cheese cake is evil. i think its fucking gross. you dont put cheese on a cake. like wtf.?
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23857114 - 11/22/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's technically a pie, with a crust and a filling like all pies. The "cake" in "cheesecake" is a misnomer. And there's cream cheese frosting that goes on cakes. It's done all the time.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23857117 - 11/22/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i know just looked that up. its blasphemy when my parents try to give that to me on my birthday.
not havin' it.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: abltsandwich]
#23857127 - 11/22/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And there's cream cheese frosting that goes on cakes. It's done all the time.
This is still gonna be me with my cake if i see any cheese on it.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23857148 - 11/22/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: i think cheese cake is evil. i think its fucking gross. you dont put cheese on a cake. like wtf.?
And to think you call yourself Canadian.
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lol cheesecake is a canadian thing?!? when did that happen
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: SleepyE]
#23857159 - 11/22/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not but we're deporting you anyway. You can live with Bieber and the guys from Nickleback.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23857511 - 11/22/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was always a super imaginative, mystically-centered kid. Always been into fantasy, ghosts, aliens, spirits, and notions of other worlds interacting with this one. Growing up I was very animist, imagining trees having spirits and personalities, toys, various objects, and feeling certain there was validity to dream experiences. I never trusted reality, I was always suspicious. Oddly I never had belief in a god though, more a multiplicity of disparate beings rather than a unity. Being fairly smart though I was also not illogical, and as I aged I lost belief in these things one by one, and consensus reality cemented itself somewhat. I became more of a cynic, but I still enjoyed fantasy and writing and creating art, and those became my outlets for mysticism. My understanding of drugs was very limited until about 18 or so, for whatever reason I didn't particularly think about them. I was fascinated by the phenomena of existence mood shifts, dreams etc, but I never realized drugs could induce anything of substance, they were just not something I thought about. Of course, high school and all that made me aware of them, initially just as substances to be abused for the purposes of partying, like alcohol, which was the first substance I tried. Briefly being drunk was novel enough, but the negatives for me outweigh the positives with alcohol, and I never touch it now. Then a cooler friend of mine introduced the group to weed, right at the end of high-school, and I was changed. As soon as I discovered cannabis, alcohol lost interest. Weed, and then later mushrooms and LSD, were the drugs I didn't know I'd longed for all my life. To this day I view many drugs as, not evil, but unnecessary and mostly harmful. Some (most opiates, most benzos, meth etc) I intend never to touch and do tend to think ill of. Psychedelics have become more complicated now that I mostly have bad trips, but I still value them and they are at the center of my being in many ways. Cannabis I use daily and it's influence no doubt is considerable.
In the end I found a kind of justification for mysticism, or at least an outlet, in drugs, and those drugs which allow this I value, those which do not I dismiss.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: Ultron]
#23857532 - 11/22/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think any American kid in public school didn't think drugs were evil.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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When I was about 5 or 6 my mom left a cigarette burning in the ashtray, it was my older brother's bday, she had baked chicken cordon blu for him, and I had went through this fire safety lesson that stressed the dangers of an unattended burning cigarette earlier that day.
So I tried to blow it out.
And I just blew ashes all over the chicken that was sitting on the oven to cool.
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Re: Did you ever see drugs as evil [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23857568 - 11/22/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol
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