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Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory!
    #23855825 - 11/21/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

this saturday, the national policy institute held a conference in washington dc--richard spencer, leader of the NBP and at the forefront of the alt-right movement, gave the closing speech--here are some excerpts:




alright, so comparisons to nazis are overplayed, i know--but what else do you call it in this instance?

i feel like we have some members on here who identify as alt-right--if so, any of you care to shed light on this?--because ever since trump got elected, people have been saying that this new regime in the USA isn't actually the racist, sexist, xenophobic caricature that was painted throughout the elections--the cry of "Just give them a chance!" echoing out

and what happened..? they railed against jews and, with a smile, quoted nazi propaganda in the original german


so are we still pretending that the alt-right is anything more than a rebranding of the nazi doctrine?


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23855830 - 11/21/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whatwhat:

Didn't make it very far through that video


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23855922 - 11/21/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

this gets my point across in a more entertaining format:



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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #23855931 - 11/21/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The video was too disturbing to me, bad vibes all around

Anyways, generally I don't group people up with their fringe affiliates, the Trump camp is a regressive disturbing mess but I imagine those people in the video are exceptionally deplorable


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23855956 - 11/21/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just a bunch of inbred retards


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
    #23855957 - 11/21/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this saturday, the national policy institute held a conference in washington dc--richard spencer, leader of the NBP and at the forefront of the alt-right movement, gave the closing speech--here are some excerpts:





there has never been an alt-right movement. you want to be a stooge of the media, be my guest


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    #23855963 - 11/21/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this saturday, the national policy institute held a conference in washington dc--richard spencer, leader of the NBP and at the forefront of the alt-right movement, gave the closing speech--here are some excerpts:





there has never been an alt-right movement. you want to be a stooge of the media, be my guest




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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23855991 - 11/21/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyways, generally I don't group people up with their fringe affiliates, the Trump camp is a regressive disturbing mess but I imagine those people in the video are exceptionally deplorable



definitely on the worse end, but there are some tenuous connections between donald trumps presidency and the alt-right that is become more and more cohesive as time goes on, it's getting harder and harder to give this new regime the benefit of the doubt--the most glaring example (which is admittedly still tenuous) would be donalds closeness to steve bannon of breitbart news, which steve himself has described as "the platform for the alt-right"



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there has never been an alt-right movement. you want to be a stooge of the media, be my guest



do you mean that say that the folks in the video do not consider themselves to be alt-right, or do you mean that there just isn't enough people behind the alt-right label to constitute a movement?






you know though, if there is one good thing that would result from the rising tide of fascism (internationally) is that we are gonna inspire a whole new generation of punk music



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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856000 - 11/21/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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there has never been an alt-right movement. you want to be a stooge of the media, be my guest



do you mean that say that the folks in the video do not consider themselves to be alt-right, or do you mean that there just isn't enough people behind the alt-right label to constitute a movement?




no, what I'm saying is that the retards of the liberal media have put that label
out there to try and categorize the bulk of trump supporters as some nutters while
trying to emphasize this with the portrayal of a small group of fringe nutters as
a typical trump supporter. I know you're smarter than this



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you know though, if there is one good thing that would result from the rising tide of fascism (internationally) is that we are gonna inspire a whole new generation of punk music




the rising tide of fascism? you mean the shit we've been seeing for the last 8
years because a black man was elected and the leftard bigot movement 'found
it's  voice'

do you believe that trump is getting ready to herd people into concentration camps too?


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23856027 - 11/21/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the group of people featured in that video self identify as alt-right, it most definitely isn't a construct of the liberal media (though they definitely attempt to use it to their advantage)

is breitbart liberal media?--because they consider themselves the "platform of the alt-right"


as for the rise in fascist activities over the past years, i specifically slipped in that 'internationally' because i see it sprouting up all over the western world, probably in  response to a combination of international, national, and local pressures

have the actions of obama and liberals played a roll in the developments within the united states?--very likely--are they the sole cause?--less likely







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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856067 - 11/22/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dude can i exempt myself from that video? I'm listening to music. But here's what i think:

Trump is just a businessman. He's crazy or some shit. He wants a Trump tower on every corner. Fucking asshole.

Nazis are a bunch of fags lmao. And they just project some fuckung love affair onto Trump and fulfill their fantasies with his shit ass. And Then the people are swayed by the mans confidence and swagger, they too project, and then we have one fucked ass situation.

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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856089 - 11/22/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

trump is not a neo nazi or a kkk member, these groups are making him look so bad and will be once slice of the pie of doom towards his administration and behind it the entire country.

im convinced that this is the end for america, this is the administration when the shit finally hits the fan.

not just because trump is full of shit, most of the damage will not be done by him it will be done by societies reaction to him.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856342 - 11/22/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They keep trying, keep denying, but we know what they stand for and what they did.





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    #23856421 - 11/22/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

is zig not coming `round these parts no more?


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23856447 - 11/22/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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trump is not a neo nazi or a kkk member, these groups are making him look so bad and will be once slice of the pie of doom towards his administration and behind it the entire country.

im convinced that this is the end for america, this is the administration when the shit finally hits the fan.

not just because trump is full of shit, most of the damage will not be done by him it will be done by societies reaction to him.




Well trump got in because people are sick of bullshit politicians. When the wealthy business men are just as bad hopefully people will realize something more is going on.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856458 - 11/22/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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is zig not coming `round these parts no more?



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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856461 - 11/22/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Omg guys this isnt fucking the end of America :facepalm: Honestly comparing or thinking that america would ever allow some kinda neo nazi regime to take over is frankly an insult to every thing the countrys prob ever striven towards and also like all the ppl that died in WWII. U should prob be ashamed of urselves or something. although that being said were all prob going to jail.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23856504 - 11/22/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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the group of people featured in that video self identify as alt-right, it most definitely isn't a construct of the liberal media (though they definitely attempt to use it to their advantage)

is breitbart liberal media?--because they consider themselves the "platform of the alt-right"




you do realize that breitbart it more or less a clearinghouse for news for other
sources much like the drudge report, they report news of others but breitbart
sometimes adds commentary which often uses the same language as those other media
sources... of course now you've used breitbart as a news source so koods can never
take anything you say seriously again


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as for the rise in fascist activities over the past years, i specifically slipped in that 'internationally' because i see it sprouting up all over the western world, probably in  response to a combination of international, national, and local pressures




I'm specifically referring to this country where people are shamed and chastised
for expressing anything but liberal opinions but yes, it is happening all over the
west, more than half of england is called racist due to wanting the leave the EU
and for not wanting refugees to flood their country

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have the actions of obama and liberals played a roll in the developments within the united states?--very likely--are they the sole cause?--less likely





very likely? should we hold obama accountable for the support he gets from groups
such as the black lives matters movement or should we hold him only accountable
for what he says and does because what he's said on many occasions has been
divisive to this nation, segregating people both racially and politically. yes,
the left has certainly played a role. the media, the blue donkey cult, even the
illustrious leaders have been a part in the rise of fascism. they've been telling
me what I'm allowed to think and do, they've been telling me what I need and dont
need, they've been fighting hard to force these things on me without so much as
giving me a choice

so yes, in the western world, not just the US, we see the fascism is the left


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #23856513 - 11/22/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Omg guys this isnt fucking the end of America :facepalm: Honestly comparing or thinking that america would ever allow some kinda neo nazi regime to take over is frankly an insult to every thing the countrys prob ever striven towards and also like all the ppl that died in WWII. U should prob be ashamed of urselves or something. although that being said were all prob going to jail.





lefty fear mongering... wanna see some more

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/17/japanese-internment-is-precedent-for-national-muslim-registry-prominent-trump-backer-says/


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23856518 - 11/22/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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im convinced that this is the end for america, this is the administration when the shit finally hits the fan.

not just because trump is full of shit, most of the damage will not be done by him it will be done by societies reaction to him.




you mean the reaction they already have because hillary lost even after she fought
so hard to insult the american people for so many years, after she's pointed out to
everyone that she's so smart and everyone else is stupid and that we should vote for
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23856531 - 11/22/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: qman]
    #23856544 - 11/22/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

omg everyone should jus calm down ok  :chillpill:  :chillpill:


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: qman] * 3
    #23856548 - 11/22/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.





So trump and his cronies can do whatever he wants in the name of "backlash"

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    #23856557 - 11/22/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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qman said:
This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.





So trump and his cronies can do whatever he wants in the name of "backlash"

Gotcha




Hmm, nobody said that. :facepalm:  It's called a rational explanation for the rise of the political movement.


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    #23856590 - 11/22/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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qman said:
This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.





So trump and his cronies can do whatever he wants in the name of "backlash"

Gotcha





and yet it's not trump doing anything, it's the liberals


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    #23856591 - 11/22/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i cant believe neo-nazis have gone mainstream. WTF.

Messed up man, too much racial hate around Trump's follwers, even if unintended, its still there :nonono:


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23856607 - 11/22/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This post, just for clarification, isn't pointed directly at the trump presidency, but rather the alt-right movement as an attempted rebranding of the nazi doctrine--i was curious to hear if any members here identify as alt-right, and how they view that speech

despite what pris is saying about the alt-right being a product of the liberal media, these people exist (and self-identify as alt-right)--and after watching that video of the self-described leaders of the alt-right, i don't see how calling them nazis is an exaggeration anymore

and there's only one way to deal with a nazi








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    #23856614 - 11/22/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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trump is not a neo nazi or a kkk member, these groups are making him look so bad and will be once slice of the pie of doom towards his administration and behind it the entire country.

im convinced that this is the end for america, this is the administration when the shit finally hits the fan.

not just because trump is full of shit, most of the damage will not be done by him it will be done by societies reaction to him.




Well trump got in because people are sick of bullshit politicians. When the wealthy business men are just as bad hopefully people will realize something more is going on.




while thats part of the reason i believe he got in i think its more about giving the impression to those people that they are safe since he won.

those people who WOULD have flipped out if hillary won i think pose a much more instant threat to the government/NWO than the people who are against trump.

the people who are against hillary are much more often armed and dangerous than the people against trump, and im not saying that to be racist or offensive just think about how many trump supporters are gun owners in comparison to hillary supporters and you will see what i mean.


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    #23856633 - 11/22/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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despite what pris is saying about the alt-right being a product of the liberal media, these people exist (and self-identify as alt-right)--and after watching that video of the self-described leaders of the alt-right, i don't see how calling them nazis is an exaggeration anymore





is it any different than the new black panther party or the black lives matter
movements that you dont seem to be alarmed about, should we be calling them the
alt-left and attributing their support of democrats some kind of proof that the
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    #23856663 - 11/22/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i cant believe neo-nazis have gone mainstream. WTF.

Messed up man, too much racial hate around Trump's follwers, even if unintended, its still there :nonono:




I can't believe Obama invited a terrorist group (BLM) that started riots across dozens of cities to the White House every two weeks.

"too much racial hate around Trump's followers"

Don't you also mean Obama's followers?  Where was your outrage when that was occurring? No, you were too busy bashing cops for the riots.


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    #23856668 - 11/22/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23856980 - 11/22/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Is that Webster up there talking?....I'm glad he finally got a job.


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    #23857071 - 11/22/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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is it any different than the new black panther party or the black lives matter
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alt-left and attributing their support of democrats some kind of proof that the
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i'm committed to resisting and fighting fascism anywhere i encounter it--the major difference between those groups you mentioned and the alt-right is that there is no nuance to being a nazi

by that i mean, one could conceivably attend a black lives matter protest without being a whitey hating racist--there is no such nuance for someone who goes about goose stepping and nazi saluting--and the only good nazi...

that being said, i don't give them liberals a free pass--i consider myself an anarchist, and history has repeatedly shown how liberals and state-communists only tolerate us while it's convenient for them




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    #23857112 - 11/22/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The alt right and neo Nazis have existed for... Forever. We just have new names for them. And they might be more popular because of political chafing from the left but... I don't think so. I think hateful racist people have always had an inclination to hate and racism. The left moving up is just an excuse. There are people who are generally tired of everyone being overly sensitive and what not, but they aren't hateful or racist or neo Nazis.


Left riight left right left

I don't really trust the reasoning skills of someone who blames their actions on the actions of an opposing party.

I do think events have helped the alt right grow... But it's more a distaste for control that has fed it. Not college kids that claim they need a safe place.
There are extremes in every group and denying they exist does not help your cause. Backing up their actions is even worse. Most tea party members and people I could call alt right I've known just don't want to be fucked with, doesn't want the government fucking with them, and doesn't want lazy bastards taking their money. Which is all okay in my book. Are they ignorant on some things? of course. But how many self identified liberal or conservatives not?

They're not super racist or violent assholes tho. Don't get me wrong there either... You can spy out a future skinhead if you understand what actually is racism.


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    #23857275 - 11/22/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.




lol. These groups and movements have existed long before the PC movement.

Jeez this thread is funny. From people saying that these groups are "fabrications of the liberal media" :ilold:, to people saying this is all the left's doing... will the right stop at nothing to blame literally everything for the left? :lol: They even blame their own people for the left! Outrageous!


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    #23857292 - 11/22/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They almost always blame eachother. I really like this book where there is this extremist religious group that preaches fairness and giving to all and constantly blames people who don't follow their ways for all their problems, when control is obviously causing their problems. Humanity has always done this. At the end of the fantasy book the main character creates an alternate reality and sends all the extremists there, without the people they blamed their problems on. It ends by hinting at that world coming into fruition at the dark ages... Where the religion splits and the religious blame whoever doesn't match their beliefs perfectly or whoever isn't godly and giving enough.

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    #23857436 - 11/22/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23857524 - 11/22/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe I'm just a radical leftist but it's kinda embarrassing to hear people blame the "Jews" for the worlds problems.

Nazism is dead, and should remain dead. If need be, I'd give my life to put it back in the dirt.


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    #23857541 - 11/22/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So I've noticed journalists are struggling with what to call the neo-Nazi/alt-right/white nationalist movement. Allow me to offer some help.

The actual factual term is "neo-Nazi." If you trace the roots of the movement to their origin, you end up at Stormfront and other hate sites. Stormfront, White Aryan Resistance, and other popular sites are the content origin of white nationalist stories & rhetoric for the past decade. The content from these sites ends up disseminated via 4chan, Reddit, other content aggregators. Eventually repackaged in "alt-right" sites. When Steve Bannon took over Breitbart after the death of Andrew Breitbart himself, the site began a tilt towards white nationalism...

Now this part is important. People generally have an image of neo-Nazis as hypermasculine boors with muscles, tattoos, and bald heads. Yiannopoulos and his merry band cut against the image. Many are soft-spoken, well-dressed, and highly educated. Which makes them dangerous. Because they're often charming enough to get even the most leftist of the left-winged publications to describe them this way: Meet the Dapper White Nationalist Who Wins Even if Trump Loses

They're not stupid people. In fact, they're very highly educated. And they call themselves the "alt-right" for a reason. They know people are trained to reflexively hate anything with the word "Nazi" in it. We've had almost a century of social conditioning. So they use the phrase "alt-right," which not only sounds innocuous, but sounds like a counterculture to established Republican elitism. So when you call them "alt-right," you're engaging them on terms they've set, and spreading the false perception of "alternative views."

Call them what they are. Neo-Nazis.


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    #23857552 - 11/22/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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cool band name, cool song.:grin:



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    #23857558 - 11/22/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've made comparisons from Trump to Hitler many a times.

That being said, America did not fight world war two for race equality, we did not intervene because Hitler was killing blacks, Hispanics or other racial groups; we intervened because it disturbed the balance of power in the world- that and because we knew we could win.

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    #23857588 - 11/22/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

not all  racists are nazis
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    #23857594 - 11/22/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23857614 - 11/22/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This is what happens when you force PC nonsense down the throats of Americans for 30 years.

This is what happens when you leave your borders open for 30 years despite the fact Americans wanted them closed.

This is what happens when the MSM attacks your demographic non-stop as being racist/sexist and xenophobic.

This is what happens when a US President constantly lectures the majority on horrible their history, heritage and current status is because they're bigots.

This is what happens when a US President invites a racist/terrorist group (BLM) into the White House every two weeks as dozens of US cities are having riots started by this very group.

This is called the backlash. When moderate people like myself warned liberals to stop pushing people to the limit with their extreme and threatening behavior, we were told to shut up. 

Take a look at what has happened to Germany in the last 3 years after they allowed 2 million illegal Africans and Muslims to live in their homeland, it's called a backlash.




lol. These groups and movements have existed long before the PC movement.

Jeez this thread is funny. From people saying that these groups are "fabrications of the liberal media" :ilold:, to people saying this is all the left's doing... will the right stop at nothing to blame literally everything for the left? :lol: They even blame their own people for the left! Outrageous!




Yes, these movements have existed in the shadows for a long time, but that doesn't change the fact that they're growing into mainstream political movements here in the US and around the globe.

"blame literally everything for the left?"

Unfortunately, the liberal agenda got hijacked by the loony left over 20 years ago and created this backlash, now the right is getting taken over by the far right.


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    #23857624 - 11/22/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cheers for the good punk in this thread. Totally agree with you that there will be lots of new angry youths making music. With any luck, it's going to be the Regan-era of punk music all over again.



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    #23857629 - 11/22/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bullshit.

You fucking know how not all Trump supporters can be put in the Nazi camp?

Guess fucking what, not everyone who is "left" or voted "left" is down with all the idiotic PC movements and such; there are lots of different levels to either party but to assume that anyone who is left is down with every left idea is akin to saying all trump supporters are down with killing blacks.

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    #23857640 - 11/22/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bullshit.

You fucking know how not all Trump supporters can be put in the Nazi camp?

Guess fucking what, not everyone who is "left" or voted "left" is down with all the idiotic PC movements and such; there are lots of different levels to either party but to assume that anyone who is left is down with every left idea is akin to saying all trump supporters are down with killing blacks.

Smh.




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    #23857647 - 11/22/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised nobody has come in here yet and tried to claim that these people are actually liberals framing Trump supporters to make them look bad.


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    #23857681 - 11/22/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23857691 - 11/22/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cheers for the good punk in this thread. Totally agree with you that there will be lots of new angry youths making music. With any luck, it's going to be the Regan-era of punk music all over again.



Hahaha glad someone's on the same page as me--great addition--let's make this the fuck neo-nazis songs thread!




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    #23857721 - 11/22/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I've made comparisons from Trump to Hitler many a times.

That being said, America did not fight world war two for race equality, we did not intervene because Hitler was killing blacks, Hispanics or other racial groups; we intervened because it disturbed the balance of power in the world- that and because we knew we could win.

Nazism and Racism are not one in the same, though the similarities are striking.




I've heard how historians are mostly alcoholics... Because they see the same shit happening that has always happened.

People aren't ready for a real change, and until they, we, are the dominos are going to keep stacking the way they always have and we will be "forced" to make the same mistakes we have in the past.


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    #23857816 - 11/22/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23857842 - 11/22/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That probably does account for alot of it.


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Having student loans as a musician is a prime indicator of defective genetics :lol:

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    #23857885 - 11/22/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I feel there's probably a similar concept to insider/outsider art found in music.

I have a couple friends with music degrees, and both of them are interested in composing. I feel having that degree will help one be accepted in the classical music world, much to the same that having an arts degree will help one in getting a gallery show.

As for me, a hundred bucks and some free drinks, and I'll play in the bar all night.



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    #23857991 - 11/22/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Its kind of true for classical musicians, big subject though and not really worth the time to flushout here since none of us are doing that.

Otherwise its a waste of time and money, especially with jazz, i know people coming out 60k in debt from "prestigious" conservatories who still use chord charts. For a jazz musician thats really bad, you should be picking up the harmony by ear.

For me with a mostly Indian Classical background, you go through tutors. Universities exist but its a contentious subject and i side with thr deinstitutionalisation camp.


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    #23858038 - 11/22/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

Yeah i definitely dont enjoy the luxury of inclusion

I love listening to Indian Classical, European Classical and Jazz, but those genres are very much relics of the past. I couldnt stick with one and had to work on putting something else together entirely, 10yrs later im near about done :cookiemonster:

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is it any different than the new black panther party or the black lives matter
movements that you dont seem to be alarmed about, should we be calling them the
alt-left and attributing their support of democrats some kind of proof that the
democrats are ushering in state sanctioned fascism



i'm committed to resisting and fighting fascism anywhere i encounter it--the major difference between those groups you mentioned and the alt-right is that there is no nuance to being a nazi

by that i mean, one could conceivably attend a black lives matter protest without being a whitey hating racist--there is no such nuance for someone who goes about goose stepping and nazi saluting--and the only good nazi...

that being said, i don't give them liberals a free pass--i consider myself an anarchist, and history has repeatedly shown how liberals and state-communists only tolerate us while it's convenient for them




now the one thing that you seem unwilling to address is that just because some
tools support a a politician or his views or what ever else, it doesnt mean that
those politicians support the views of these tools. so here is some dickheads
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    #23858855 - 11/22/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23858879 - 11/22/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I see the racist alt-right, especially on Twitter.  They just saw the pull away from Hillary and hijacked it.  There is also a growing awareness of the Jewish question (regarding immigration, usury, political influence, media control, etc) and a lot of blind hate comes with it... Funny thing is  Zionists love this, racists play right into their hands, and racists tarnish whatever worthwhile causes they are involved in with their broad brush of hateful ignorance.

Often the stupid ones are the most vocal... especially when they form an enabling group that reinforces and encourages hate, and that many are behind Trump as "anti-establishment" (what a joke that is) just spurs them on, inflating their egos and further emboldening them.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: flickedbic]
    #23858920 - 11/22/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Often the stupid ones are the most vocal... especially when they form an enabling group that reinforces and encourages hate, and that many are behind Trump as "anti-establishment" (what a joke that is) just spurs them on, inflating their egos and further emboldening them.





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    #23858953 - 11/22/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not all  racists are nazis
but all nazis are racists





bullshit



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    #23858966 - 11/22/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not all  racists are nazis
but all nazis are racists





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    #23859125 - 11/23/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All racists are nazis, but not all nazis are racists?


That's a pretty retarded statement.


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    #23859764 - 11/23/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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now the one thing that you seem unwilling to address is that just because some
tools support a a politician or his views or what ever else, it doesnt mean that
those politicians support the views of these tools. so here is some dickheads
giving a nazi salute and chanting hail trump and you want to talk about it as if
it's a fucking thing when all you're doing is giving these retards a voice



did i not address this?--i'm well aware that, despite the alt-right neo-nazis support of trump, this does not necessarily mean that trump supports alt-right neo-nazis (though his appointment of bannon definitely is a tenuous connection)

the point of this post wasn't to call out the US presidency as being nazis--that's a tired old trope and i have no taste for partisan politics--the point of this post was to show how the alt-right movement has literally gone full nazi, and we need to stop treating them as anything different--call them neo-nazis, because that's what they are

and it's treating the alt-right as a legitimate movement what gives them a voice--calling them out as actual neo-nazis is step one is stifling that voice



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not all  racists are nazis
but all nazis are racists





bullshit



what exactly do you disagree with?--by definition, nazis are racist, so is it the part where i said "not all racists are nazis"?


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    #23859771 - 11/23/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23859830 - 11/23/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
now the one thing that you seem unwilling to address is that just because some
tools support a a politician or his views or what ever else, it doesnt mean that
those politicians support the views of these tools. so here is some dickheads
giving a nazi salute and chanting hail trump and you want to talk about it as if
it's a fucking thing when all you're doing is giving these retards a voice



did i not address this?--i'm well aware that, despite the alt-right neo-nazis support of trump, this does not necessarily mean that trump supports alt-right neo-nazis (though his appointment of bannon definitely is a tenuous connection)





unlike hillary who was a proud supporter of the exhalted cyclops of the KKK

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the point of this post wasn't to call out the US presidency as being nazis--that's a tired old trope and i have no taste for partisan politics--the point of this post was to show how the alt-right movement has literally gone full nazi, and we need to stop treating them as anything different--call them neo-nazis, because that's what they are




what do you mean, in this video it's a fucking neo nazi group that has decided
they wanted to adopt for themselves the label the media tagged them with and you
in your typical liberal manner have decided to lump the right in there by
continuing the charade of the 'alt-right', the simple fact that you and the media
are sharing their story validates them, it gives them what they want


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and it's treating the alt-right as a legitimate movement what gives them a voice--calling them out as actual neo-nazis is step one is stifling that voice





there is no alt-right movement

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shivas.wisdom said:
not all  racists are nazis
but all nazis are racists





bullshit



what exactly do you disagree with?--by definition, nazis are racist, so is it the part where i said "not all racists are nazis"?




no, it's the part where you said all nazis are racists, you dont know all the
nazis so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the nazis and can
validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the nazi parties


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    #23859855 - 11/23/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if you have read up on Nazi ideology lately Pris but the philosophy of the Master Race which should be promoted at all cost and which should overcome the "subhumans" is pretty much the core of the ideology. Race purification, eugenics, racial warfare, its inherent to Nazism.

Very basic.

American conservatives have such a stick up their asses about how insulting it is to call someone a racist that you can't even call the Nazis racists.

Sorry, they are. Nazism is a branch of white supremacist racism, and a very powerful one at that.

Every unapologetic educated St*rmfronter would agree with me on this.


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    #23859877 - 11/23/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Richard Spencer, the guy speaking in the video, literally claims to have coined the term alt-right--stop with the 'liberal media boo hoo', stop with the 'what about hitlery'--i don't give a fuck about your US partisan politics, and i'm not going to engage you in such a debate over whether the left or the right is to blame for neo-nazis being comfortable giving nazi salutes in public

This post is about discarding the alt-right label (which plays into their hands) and just calling them neo-nazis





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it's the part where you said all nazis are racists, you dont know all the
nazis so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the nazis and can
validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the nazi parties



kinda hard to believe in the superiority of the aryan race without being racist
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    #23859878 - 11/23/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23859891 - 11/23/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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American conservatives have such a stick up their asses about how insulting it is to call someone a racist that you can't even call the Nazis racists.




from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist


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Sorry, they are. Nazism is a branch of white supremacist racism, and a very powerful one at that.






from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist


where did I ever say that nazis were not racists?

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    #23859896 - 11/23/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that liberal hate is still occurring, the media is simply not covering it as much





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    #23859898 - 11/23/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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kinda hard to believe in the superiority of the aryan race without being racist
and kinda hard to be a nazi without believing in the superiority of the aryan race





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    #23859900 - 11/23/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Richard Spencer, the guy speaking in the video, literally claims to have coined the term alt-right--stop with the 'liberal media boo hoo', stop with the 'what about hitlery'--i don't give a fuck about your US partisan politics, and i'm not going to engage you in such a debate over whether the left or the right is to blame for neo-nazis being comfortable giving nazi salutes in public




al gore claimed to have invented the internet



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This post is about discarding the alt-right label (which plays into their hands) and just calling them neo-nazis




yet you keep calling them the alt-right



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it's the part where you said all nazis are racists, you dont know all the
nazis so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the nazis and can
validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the nazi parties



kinda hard to believe in the superiority of the aryan race without being racist
and kinda hard to be a nazi without believing in the superiority of the aryan race




see, now here you are trying to again affix the label, you're classifying all
nazis as white supremacists without any actual evidence

let's return it

"all libertarians are just liberals claiming to be different"
"all people claiming to be anarchists are just trying to claim to be different from other liberals"


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    #23859904 - 11/23/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that liberal hate is still occurring, the media is simply not covering it as much





Then how do you know its occurring?





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    #23859906 - 11/23/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.


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    #23859912 - 11/23/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.





not even the korean or black nazis?


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    #23859917 - 11/23/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante said:
American conservatives have such a stick up their asses about how insulting it is to call someone a racist that you can't even call the Nazis racists.




from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist


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Sorry, they are. Nazism is a branch of white supremacist racism, and a very powerful one at that.






from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist





How did you retrieve such nonsense out of your ass with that stick of conservative outrage up there?

1) I'm not a liberal
2) I have stated very many times that racism goes in all directions.

3) even if I was, which I am not and which you know that I'm not, it still would not invalidate my statement. You throw mud at my reputation to discredit a point I'm making regarding the nature of Nazism. That's an ad hominem fallacy.


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    #23859933 - 11/23/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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1) I'm not a liberal





you certainly are


Quote:

2) I have stated very many times that racism goes in all directions.





you've pushed the white on black racism narrative more times than any of us care
to remember, you've denied the black on white racism was present even when it;s
clear that it was


Quote:

3) even if I was, which I am not and which you know that I'm not, it still would not invalidate my statement. You throw mud at my reputation to discredit a point I'm making regarding the nature of Nazism. That's an ad hominem fallacy.





so being called a liberal is sullying your reputation?


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    #23859937 - 11/23/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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see, now here you are trying to again affix the label, you're classifying all
nazis as white supremacists without any actual evidence

let's return it

"all libertarians are just liberals claiming to be different"
"all people claiming to be anarchists are just trying to claim to be different from other liberals"





Prisoner..  Nazism is NOT race neutral. You have white supremacists and black supremacists and asian supremacists but calling a black supremacist a Nazi, is the same as calling a white supremacist a Black Panther.

Does not compute.
Is race-specific word.
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    #23859954 - 11/23/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pris is being purposefully obstinate. He knows that one of the founding principles of the German nazi party was that Germans were part of the Aryan master race.


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    #23859959 - 11/23/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

see, now here you are trying to again affix the label, you're classifying all
nazis as white supremacists without any actual evidence

let's return it

"all libertarians are just liberals claiming to be different"
"all people claiming to be anarchists are just trying to claim to be different from other liberals"





Prisoner..  Nazism is NOT race neutral. You have white supremacists and black supremacists and asian supremacists but calling a black supremacist a Nazi, is the same as calling a white supremacist a Black Panther.

Does not compute.
Is race-specific word.
Divide by zero.






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    #23859971 - 11/23/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
This post is about discarding the alt-right label (which plays into their hands) and just calling them neo-nazis




yet you keep calling them the alt-right



because i want to make the association between the alt-right and neo-nazis very clear



The alt-right are neo-nazis.




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    #23859973 - 11/23/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think the media keeps repeating their mantra about the right rising, and people maybe are reacting in fear and thinking 'I better join em rather than be against them'. The media is creating it through their psy op propaganda, tricking people into the nazi frame of mind.

There is nothing to fear from other races. We all share the same enemy, the world system and it's cronies. Throw your tv in the skip/dumpster people. Switch off from their programming. You can know more about what is going on in the world by not exposing yourself to their programming and social engineering on the tv, than you can by watching tv and letting them program the shit out of your subconscious/superconscious mind. The radio is a piece of shit too.

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    #23859984 - 11/23/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante said:
1) I'm not a liberal





you certainly are




I'm not, I'm a Socialist. Completely different beast.



A worldwide movement that isn't Liberalism or Communism. You should think outside the two compartment box of American politics more often.


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you've pushed the white on black racism narrative more times than any of us care
to remember




Let me define your Us. Your Us are American conservatives with a stick up their ass about black people. The majority of the site doesn't feel that way. I get plenty of PM support from people who ask me to keep fighting the good fight and take the flak for it.

This site has a problem with white-on-black racist sentiments that need to be compensated if one wishes to moderate the sentiments and make the site hospitable for everyone. So if the White American Reactionary Conservative gears are turning faster and faster about what a deplorable people black people are, BANG! I throw a wrench into that diabolical hate machine. A diabolical hate machine that you at times oil and fuel.  So yeah, I do that more than "any of you care to remember".

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so being called a liberal is sullying your reputation?




If you label me a "from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist" you are deliberately putting a big target on my back for your fellow conservative radicals to attack.

It doesn't sully my reputation to anyone but the rightwing hate machine, but it sure sicks it on me, doesn't it?


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    #23859995 - 11/23/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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to say that all nazis are racist requires you to know every nazi






to say that all oranges are citrus fruits requires you to know every orange


No it doesn't.

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    #23860004 - 11/23/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.




Yeah the answer depends on your definition. If that definition is "a member of the Nazi party" then not all Nazis are/were racist. If you define Nazi in such a way that being a racist is a prerequisite, then "all Nazis are racist" becomes vacuously true. There is no need to know all Nazis to verify this (because, by the definition you're applying, anyone who isn't a racist can't possibly be a "real" Nazi).


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    #23860030 - 11/23/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.




Yeah the answer depends on your definition. If that definition is "a member of the Nazi party" then not all Nazis are racist. If you define Nazi in such a way that being a racist is a prerequisite, then "all Nazis are racist" becomes vacuously true. There is no need to know all Nazis to verify this (because, by the definition you're applying, anyone who isn't a racist can't possibly be a "real" Nazi).




During the war, in Germany, people joined the nazi party because It was dangerous not to. These people may have not been racist because their nazi membership wasn't necessarily based on ideology. Anyone who identifies as a nazi now is a racist.

This entire debate is ridiculous. Pris' argument doesn't have any merit because it's not an argument, it's trolling.


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    #23860031 - 11/23/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People need to take their minds back.




I can agree with this. While I'm happy to see alot of people have rejected mainstream media I think obsession over media is at an all time high.

It's not even being spoonfed at this point, even if the particular source may vary, people are eating right out of the palms of their hands.

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    #23860032 - 11/23/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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to say that all nazis are racist requires you to know every nazi






to say that all oranges are citrus fruits requires you to know every orange


No it doesn't.

Oranges are defined by being citrus fruits just like Nazis are defined by being white supremacists.








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Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.




Yeah the answer depends on your definition. If that definition is "a member of the Nazi party" then not all Nazis are/were racist. If you define Nazi in such a way that being a racist is a prerequisite, then "all Nazis are racist" becomes vacuously true. There is no need to know all Nazis to verify this (because, by the definition you're applying, anyone who isn't a racist can't possibly be a "real" Nazi).




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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Asante]
    #23860050 - 11/23/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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1) I'm not a liberal





you certainly are




I'm not, I'm a Socialist. Completely different beast.




not really, same school with different teachers



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you've pushed the white on black racism narrative more times than any of us care
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Let me define your Us. Your Us are American conservatives with a stick up their ass about black people. The majority of the site doesn't feel that way. I get plenty of PM support from people who ask me to keep fighting the good fight and take the flak for it.




I get the same thing

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This site has a problem with white-on-black racist sentiments that need to be compensated if one wishes to moderate the sentiments and make the site hospitable for everyone. So if the White American Reactionary Conservative gears are turning faster and faster about what a deplorable people black people are, BANG! I throw a wrench into that diabolical hate machine. A diabolical hate machine that you at times oil and fuel.  So yeah, I do that more than "any of you care to remember".





and the site gets plenty of anti white, anti muslim, anti-what the fuck ever
sentiment, the one that goes unaddressed is the anti white sentiment with liberals
saying things such as 'oh, your poor white privilege' which in it's self is racist

you see one side of the picture, try opening both eyes and taking it all in
sometime, you ignore the anti white racism and promote your own racist view


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so being called a liberal is sullying your reputation?




If you label me a "from the liberal that claims blacks cant be racist" you are deliberately putting a big target on my back for your fellow conservative radicals to attack.




:justinwilson:



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It doesn't sully my reputation to anyone but the rightwing hate machine, but it sure sicks it on me, doesn't it?





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    #23860063 - 11/23/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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to say that all nazis are racist requires you to know every nazi






to say that all oranges are citrus fruits requires you to know every orange


No it doesn't.

Oranges are defined by being citrus fruits just like Nazis are defined by being white supremacists.





can you tell me the socio-economic standing of an orange, maybe you can tell us
it's political ideology, I bet you could tell us about how the oranges hate black
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    #23860065 - 11/23/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"and the site gets plenty of anti white, anti muslim, anti-what the fuck ever
sentiment, the one that goes unaddressed is the anti white sentiment with liberals
saying things such as 'oh, your poor white privilege' which in it's self is racist"

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    #23860076 - 11/23/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

... It is addressed tho..


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    #23860080 - 11/23/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes, it is.


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    #23860087 - 11/23/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Entirely beside the point. As long as you are a Nazi, you are a white supremacist because the ideology of white supremacy is inherent to being a Nazi.


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    #23860106 - 11/23/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's that modern idea to the name, and then there is also strictly the fascism aspect. Where I think some people get confused is how you have to be both. Or even strictly fit into the idea of white supremacy and Jewish suppression, control, or even eradication.

The gang based neo Nazis fit the strict definitions.

The alt right does not.
They may want control, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.
They may be racist, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.


And I don't really see what it matters. Words are words. Alt right is still the alt right whether you want to acuuse them of being Nazis and Trump of being Hitler or not. Those words have been tossed around so much in the last decade it's hard to take them, or the people who use them, seriously.


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    #23860111 - 11/23/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah Trump may have a fascist mentality, it's part of his personality, but until he overrides congress and state governments on everything and starts making racial laws, he's not Hitler.


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    #23860121 - 11/23/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well it also depends on your definition. Not everyone in the Nazi party in Nazi Germany were racists.




Yeah the answer depends on your definition. If that definition is "a member of the Nazi party" then not all Nazis are racist. If you define Nazi in such a way that being a racist is a prerequisite, then "all Nazis are racist" becomes vacuously true. There is no need to know all Nazis to verify this (because, by the definition you're applying, anyone who isn't a racist can't possibly be a "real" Nazi).




During the war, in Germany, people joined the nazi party because It was dangerous not to. These people may have not been racist because their nazi membership wasn't necessarily based on ideology. Anyone who identifies as a nazi now is a racist.

This entire debate is ridiculous. Pris' argument doesn't have any merit because it's not an argument, it's trolling.



Yeah I guess Shiva's original statement implies people alive today. Still though, without everyone at least defining their terms, there isn't much room to move forward in a discussion like this. Pris hasn't provided a definition I don't think, so he's free to treat Nazis as this nebulous group of people out there in the world who must be surveyed individually before making any generalizations about their characteristics. It might not make for a very interesting discussion between him and anyone else though.


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    #23860142 - 11/23/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's that modern idea to the name, and then there is also strictly the fascism aspect. Where I think some people get confused is how you have to be both. Or even strictly fit into the idea of white supremacy and Jewish suppression, control, or even eradication.

The gang based neo Nazis fit the strict definitions.

The alt right does not.
They may want control, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.
They may be racist, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.


And I don't really see what it matters. Words are words. Alt right is still the alt right whether you want to acuuse them of being Nazis and Trump of being Hitler or not. Those words have been tossed around so much in the last decade it's hard to take them, or the people who use them, seriously.




We'll, I think non racist people who identify as alt right need to denounce these white supremacists who are claiming the mantle of the alt right. The leader of the group that met in DC this past weekend says he's the founder of the alt right movement. This is an internal problem that they have, but if they aren't going to say they don't agree with the white supremacist who says he's alt right then it's fair to say that the alt right movement is a white supremacist movement.

Organizations like Breitbart, and it's former editor claim they are part of the alt right movement. Where are their denunciations?


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    #23860166 - 11/23/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Richard Spencer, the guy speaking in the video, literally claims to have coined the term alt-right--stop with the 'liberal media boo hoo', stop with the 'what about hitlery'--i don't give a fuck about your US partisan politics, and i'm not going to engage you in such a debate over whether the left or the right is to blame for neo-nazis being comfortable giving nazi salutes in public

This post is about discarding the alt-right label (which plays into their hands) and just calling them neo-nazis




The alt-right came into power because conservatives couldn't get any representation from the corrupt Republican Party, that has NOTHING to do with "neo-nazis". Don't confuse the two, it doesn't do any service to try and mix those two groups up.


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    #23860177 - 11/23/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's that modern idea to the name, and then there is also strictly the fascism aspect. Where I think some people get confused is how you have to be both. Or even strictly fit into the idea of white supremacy and Jewish suppression, control, or even eradication.

The gang based neo Nazis fit the strict definitions.

The alt right does not.
They may want control, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.
They may be racist, but I'd not say to a neo Nazi extent.


And I don't really see what it matters. Words are words. Alt right is still the alt right whether you want to acuuse them of being Nazis and Trump of being Hitler or not. Those words have been tossed around so much in the last decade it's hard to take them, or the people who use them, seriously.




We'll, I think non racist people who identify as alt right need to denounce these white supremacists who are claiming the mantle of the alt right. The leader of the group that met in DC this past weekend says he's the founder of the alt right movement. This is an internal problem that they have, but if they aren't going to say they don't agree with the white supremacist who says he's alt right then it's fair to say that the alt right movement is a white supremacist movement.

Organizations like Breitbart, and it's former editor claim they are part of the alt right movement. Where are their denunciations?




I think the alt-right movement is using the same tactic the left used in not denouncing the violent BLM's/Islamic rhetoric and actions.


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    #23860184 - 11/23/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Entirely beside the point. As long as you are a Nazi, you are a white supremacist because the ideology of white supremacy is inherent to being a Nazi.




You don't think many joined the Nazi movement purely for economic gain?  There are many motivations for joining a political organization, not everybody is a true believer.


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    #23860187 - 11/23/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Entirely beside the point. As long as you are a Nazi, you are a white supremacist because the ideology of white supremacy is inherent to being a Nazi.





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    #23860229 - 11/23/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a funny joke!


What's worse than a nazi? A nazi apologist



Don't respect something that has no respect.
Don't sympathize with something that has no sympathy.
Don't understand something that has no understanding.
Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours.
Fuck nazi sympathy!
Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours!



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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #23860294 - 11/23/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wow this thread has really gone to shit. Yeah, for the record, I'm a conservative that is not a nazi apologist. I don't really see how its worth the time to make the case that not all nazis are racist. Even if that point is true, it seems like it misses the bigger picture.

My take on this situation is that the media is entirely in the wrong for blowing this up and associating this back to Trump and his core group of supporters, which I assure everyone, are not Nazis but real working Americans. There are fringe groups on both sides. For example, on the Left you literally have a video of a woman saying there will be casualties*. Plenty of examples of violent rioters destroying private property**. Another person was beat from their car, and their car was stolen***.

The liberal media covers these types of instances far less than an "alt-right" fringe group that had around 280 people attending that has existed for 8 years. I can't find the article I read with these numbers, but I saw a video and the amount of reporters was in between 70-80 for an event that had 280 people. There were also bet Where was the media before now?

The media is literally giving exponentially amount of attention than these people are worth. They are literally artificially creating this "alt-right" movement. I literally didn't even know what a "white nationalist" was. I had to look it up. My family is from the deep south. I know a lot of southern people. Never met a neo-nazi before. I've met plenty of racists of all colors, but never a neo-nazi of this alt-right movement.

Now they do interviews with Trump staffers and ask the same questions over and over again demanding different answers to the same question in an attempt to get a sound clip that might make Trump look like he supports this group. He doesn't want to give the group the time of day or the media attention because that's exactly what the group wants.

This extreme fringe group (and others like it) are playing the media like fools. They want the attention. The negative publicity just gets more people on their side. No different than ISIS recruiting naive americans and radicalizing them.

This whole thing is smoke and mirrors and just detracts from the real issue of improving our GDP, increasing jobs and wages, lowering taxes, increasing homeownership, fixing our failed immigration policy, and passing a trillion dollar infrastructure bill. People that buy into this kind of sensationalism (on both sides) are why we have moron politicians in office (again both sides).

* - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-have-to-die-anti-trump-protester-calls-for-violence-on-cnn/
** - http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/oakland-police-under-fire-for-breaking-up-violent-anti-trump-riots/
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    #23860301 - 11/23/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This whole thing is smoke and mirrors and just detracts from the real issue of improving our GDP, increasing jobs and wages, lowering taxes, increasing homeownership, fixing our failed immigration policy, and passing a trillion dollar infrastructure bill. People that buy into this kind of sensationalism (on both sides) are why we have moron politicians in office (again both sides)




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    #23860331 - 11/23/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you not read the post and see asterisk? Examples to prove my point. It wasn't meant to single out liberals or make the claim they are more extreme the right. Rather to illustrate how the media shows bias to amount of attention they give to a fake alt-movement rather than the things I menationed that are much more important. Does your reading comprehension suck that bad or did you just not read my entire post?


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    #23860339 - 11/23/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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to say that all oranges are citrus fruits requires you to know every orange





Donald Trumps complexion has effectively disgraced all oranges. :alientransform:


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    #23860343 - 11/23/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not fake when they're organizing and hosting panels at political conferences like the one Shivas.wisdom posted. Come on, stop ignoring the truth, particularly Prisoner#1 and Qman. You guys can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, but there is racism in America, and it is gaining attention and power thanks to Trump and his supporters.

The 'alt-right' displayed their true intentions at that panel in the video, and they are some fucked up individuals.

This is not a time to take a stance based on economics and your ego-routines, this isn't a power play between two ideologies: this day and age calls into question the very fundamental validity of calling this a free country. In a country where racist and xenophobic sentiments can be supported by the president elect, leading to acts of racism and hatred carried out in his name, and he doesn't do a damn thing to denounce it, then freedom is on the run.

Look at the people he has nominated for his cabinet and chief of justice: these are racist mother fuckers! Deny it all you want, but it's plain for anyone who has a shred of observational skills to see.


And furthermore, there is an ongoing battle between the landowning rights of an entire community of people, the Sioux, and a corporation which is attempting to build on their land illegally. The police have massed en force and are carrying out atrocious acts of aggression against the peaceful protesters, one girl's arm was nearly blown off by a concussion grenade.

And all you can do is say 'there's no such thing as the alt-right, it's obama's fault'. There's too much at stake to be so ignorant.


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    #23860351 - 11/23/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I went to high school in a district that bordered the city in a tricounty area. It was a mix of poor city kids, rich suburban kids, and average/poor sticks kids.


All kids with slightly different perspectives that pick on one another for little more than being outside their own viewpoint.. And like with all instances of grouping there were individuals who played it up as much as possible, with their camo jackets and loud ass piece of shit trucks or their fancy Comoros and flittery jewelry and popped collars...

That's what I think of about the state of politics. For every one genuine extremist there's 50 nonextremests trying to fit in. And for every 1 such person there is 50 moderates. And for every 1 moderate there's half an outsider scratching their heads.
And those numbers are just about equal for the 2 largest opposing groups.


Which in my highschool was wannabe thugs and rednecks.


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    #23860366 - 11/23/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23860433 - 11/23/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.

Nazis have been in the minority ever since Hitler shot himself in the head, that hasn't prevented them from taking action in the street before. And it is out in the streets where neo-Nazis should be confronted, time and time again, every time they feel it safe to rear their ugly head in public.

Here's a great documentary on how Paris youth in the '80s confronted a local resurgence of neo-Nazis: Antifa Chasseurs de Skins



also,for the record, donald trump disavowed the neo-Nazi alt-right in an interview with the new york times on tuesday: "I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,"


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    #23860509 - 11/23/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the fact that Trump is getting hailed...it's like he's Kek...i mean look, America...good luck with that. i mean you'll be fine...just watch if you start 'hailing' just out of the blue, one day; that might be a little weird.

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    #23860517 - 11/23/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump is the republican Obama. He brings change.

Any real or notable change? probably not. But he is different.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23860531 - 11/23/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, and i think i trust Trump more than i do his constituency,...but his brain trust relies on the people, as i've been saying since the election began, and his brain trust is, like i would have suspected if only i didn't buy into the rhetoric here and around the web, that said things that they will get out of him, which they won't hold the administration accountable for themselves, they won't protest, it's bad to protest, so what'll happen is the brain trust turns to brain rust, and you get people having Trump rallies in their basement where they "hail Trump!" and like :facepalm:


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    #23860569 - 11/23/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.

Nazis have been in the minority ever since Hitler shot himself in the head, that hasn't prevented them from taking action in the street before. And it is out in the streets where neo-Nazis should be confronted, time and time again, every time they feel it safe to rear their ugly head in public.

Here's a great documentary on how Paris youth in the '80s confronted a local resurgence of neo-Nazis: Antifa Chasseurs de Skins



also,for the record, donald trump disavowed the neo-Nazi alt-right in an interview with the new york times on tuesday: "I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,"



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    #23860582 - 11/23/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't see how it's much different from Oby's day. There were songs about how great life was because Obama was president.


People don't even pay attention to the shit coming out their own mouths, much less would they someone else's. I was in my senior year when Obama got in. And that does effect my perception but I didn't feel it was safe to say I didn't vote for him, much less would I feel safe talking shit about him.

The only difference is it's not the pants sagging wanna be gangsters that believe wholeheartedly in something they don't remotely understand just because they've let the media (social or news) tell them that everything will be better 'because it's different this time, he's black/not a politician' and would fight me over it (yes there were alot of political based fistfights in 2008) it's now the camo deerhead wearing rednecks.



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    #23860605 - 11/23/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well, i couldn't give a crap about the Obama administration, i just hear things. Bush was funny, but everyone was so harsh on the poor idiot. i just apply hanlon's razor.

this is the first time i've seen anyone get so riled up, and then these SJWs, so uppity. now neo-naziesque (literally, National Socialist-like) salutes to an American president. :facepalm: ok. so that's same shit as always...or is it just compounded shit that has grown?


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    #23860640 - 11/23/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it's really grown all that much, just people and the media are focusing on it so much more. Which inevitably will make it grow, but for right now I don't think it's very different.

Hopefully everyone will settle down and forget about everything but the shit of their own lives soon enough.



But then again American is past its golden age and is a growing mass of instability, the political shit is only a symptom of overall societal problems that are being unmanaged.

Our government was modeled after Rome. And, following the history of the Roman Empire, Trump will at most be Julius Caesar. And he'll get assassinated to stall an inevitable collapse that he can't really cause by himself anyway.
More likely though it will happen after his "reign" and we realize we need a full government restructure.

Which needs to restructure the country in turn. Alot of the problems we are having are indicative of empires that have reached too far and spread themselves too thin.


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    #23860658 - 11/23/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.


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    #23860910 - 11/23/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.





I'll have to check out your link later. But I wasn't saying these people don't exist, but it's not a "movement", which would imply huge numbers. Compared to the radical paid liberal protestors destroying public property, the amount of "alt-right" people are a drop in the bucket. So my point is if we use the same logic to call the "alt-right" a movement, than we need to recognize that ignorant liberal rioting (that many didn't even vote) is also a movement (and a bigger one at that).

You also have an editor at Politico that just got fired for inciting violence against the "alt-right" group. Not justifying the radical neo-nazis in any way, but they have a right to have their opinion and have conferences the same as people against them do. The point is that the liberal media showed complete bias in the portrayal of the "alt-right" while glazing over the radicals in Black Lives Matter and other liberal groups.


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    #23860919 - 11/23/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.




So we should blame the media and other for people not taking responsibility for the own ignorance? I think it goes back to a societal issues where we condemn freethinking and having different view points. Colleges want everyone to look different but think the same. Liberals are tolerant until you disagree with them. You have celebrities mocking the future first lady for the appearance and accent, but if you do it to a liberal is misogyny and body shaming.

I hate the media, but if there wasn't a targetable audience to capitalize from, the media would have a drastically different ton. They certainly don't help the problem in anyway, but it's not entirely the media's fault. It's a multifaceted issue that runs deep within our country and why we have such division in what America should be.


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    #23860947 - 11/23/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Media is just the most obvious pawn on the chessboard, but it is but one of many. They are manipulated as people are. Perhaps the media is a bishop or even a queen but it is not the king and it is far from alone. Pawns play the game as much as any other piece tho.


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    #23861615 - 11/23/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.




So we should blame the media and other for people not taking responsibility for the own ignorance? I think it goes back to a societal issues where we condemn freethinking and having different view points. Colleges want everyone to look different but think the same. Liberals are tolerant until you disagree with them. You have celebrities mocking the future first lady for the appearance and accent, but if you do it to a liberal is misogyny and body shaming.

I hate the media, but if there wasn't a targetable audience to capitalize from, the media would have a drastically different ton. They certainly don't help the problem in anyway, but it's not entirely the media's fault. It's a multifaceted issue that runs deep within our country and why we have such division in what America should be.



I was saying it is just a part and not the sole cause. I agree with what you added as well.


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    #23862226 - 11/23/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not fake when they're organizing and hosting panels at political conferences like the one Shivas.wisdom posted. Come on, stop ignoring the truth, particularly Prisoner#1 and Qman. You guys can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, but there is racism in America, and it is gaining attention and power thanks to Trump and his supporters.






you're absolutely right there's fucking racism in america and not a single god
damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump
but do you want to know why you're seeing groups like these fuckhead neo nazis
popping up like cock roaches... it's because the asshats calling themselves
democrats have been creating and exacerbating the problem


let's discuss this, this is one of the men that Obama cut loose from voter
intimidation charges when he was armed outside of a polling place in violation of
the law, he scared white people and can you gues why he was scaring white people?




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    #23862316 - 11/24/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem





I don't support anti-white racism, but I don't think any deities have condemned me either


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    #23862868 - 11/24/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump



you dont know all the liberals so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberals and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal parties


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    #23862949 - 11/24/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23863045 - 11/24/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not fake when they're organizing and hosting panels at political conferences like the one Shivas.wisdom posted. Come on, stop ignoring the truth, particularly Prisoner#1 and Qman. You guys can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, but there is racism in America, and it is gaining attention and power thanks to Trump and his supporters.

The 'alt-right' displayed their true intentions at that panel in the video, and they are some fucked up individuals.

This is not a time to take a stance based on economics and your ego-routines, this isn't a power play between two ideologies: this day and age calls into question the very fundamental validity of calling this a free country. In a country where racist and xenophobic sentiments can be supported by the president elect, leading to acts of racism and hatred carried out in his name, and he doesn't do a damn thing to denounce it, then freedom is on the run.

Look at the people he has nominated for his cabinet and chief of justice: these are racist mother fuckers! Deny it all you want, but it's plain for anyone who has a shred of observational skills to see.


And furthermore, there is an ongoing battle between the landowning rights of an entire community of people, the Sioux, and a corporation which is attempting to build on their land illegally. The police have massed en force and are carrying out atrocious acts of aggression against the peaceful protesters, one girl's arm was nearly blown off by a concussion grenade.

And all you can do is say 'there's no such thing as the alt-right, it's obama's fault'. There's too much at stake to be so ignorant.




"there is racism in America"

Yeah, BLM's and Obama illustrated that fact the past 4 years very well.

"In a country where racist and xenophobic sentiments can be supported by the President...leading to acts of racism and hatred carried out in his name"

Like Ferguson, Baltimore, and dozens of other US cities where people rioted and attacked people based on their race?  Thank Obama.

"Look at the people he nominated for his cabinet"

Like Eric Holder?

"There's too much at stake to be so ignorant"

Exactly.


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    #23863054 - 11/24/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was AFK for the big Event


So i just want to stop in here to get my told you so out of the way.

remember how we were called dellusional?

Remember how they said he'd never win?

i do.


Fuck you all and MAGA


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    #23863066 - 11/24/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23863083 - 11/24/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh so you're one of the "only just learned how American Elections work" folks.


I'd be a liar if i said i didn't see the process as strange but seeing as it benefited my guy this time i don't mind. I knew that this was a possibility and feared i'd be in your shoes with him getting the popular and her the win but fortunately that wasn't the case.

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    #23863205 - 11/24/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Papa Trump please throw your dick in my mouth! i need this! USA USA USA!


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    #23863207 - 11/24/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone worships in their own way.

HEIL!


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    #23863240 - 11/24/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump



you dont know all the liberals so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberals and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal parties





there are no liberal parties, just a bunch of 'boo fuckin' hoo' fests


seeing as how you didnt want to talk about it, you've proved my point

racism is fine, not when the whites are the racists. aint that right libby


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    #23863268 - 11/24/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump



you dont know all the liberals so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberals and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal parties





there are no liberal parties, just a bunch of 'boo fuckin' hoo' fests



you dont know all the liberal parties so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberal parties and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal 'boo fuckin' hoo' fests


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    #23863275 - 11/24/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump



you dont know all the liberals so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberals and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal parties





there are no liberal parties, just a bunch of 'boo fuckin' hoo' fests



you dont know all the liberal parties so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberal parties and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal 'boo fuckin' hoo' fests





I can make a gross generalization and admit that it is one

not a single gods damned liberal is willing to discuss the racism problem in the US unless it's white racism


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    #23863343 - 11/24/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

for the record though,

i agree that the USA is a very divided nation these days--people are too polarized to have civil discussion anymore--i think this is mostly a result of politicians and the media (both on ťhe right and left) using 'divide and conquer' tactics, coupled with internet culture changing the way humans relate to each other--the first step beyond this is to see the opposite opinion as another person again--don't pepper your language with divisive worsds like 'libby'--i have a name pris, humanize me!  


anyways, i am not a citizen of the USA, and i'm not even able to travel to your country--i am not the person you need to be speaking to--but if you want to know why the extreme right takes more of my focus than their liberal counterparts, just look at the history of various short lived anarchies--liberals and communists have a history of stabbing anarchists in the back after the mutual defeat of far right fascism, but always after the defeat of fascism, whereas the fascists have never had such qualms when it comes to attacking now

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    #23863406 - 11/24/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I can make a gross generalization and admit that it is one




that's what pretty well, 90% of people do. for the sake of discussing race problems, you kinda have to.

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    #23863453 - 11/24/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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for the record though,

i agree that the USA is a very divided nation these days--




these days? how long would you say that's been?

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don't pepper your language with divisive worsds like 'libby'--i have a name pris, humanize me!




lol... aint that cute, he thinks he's people 


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anyways, i am not a citizen of the USA, and i'm not even able to travel to your country--i am not the person you need to be speaking to--but if you want to know why the extreme right takes more of my focus than their liberal counterparts, just look at the history of various short lived anarchies--liberals and communists have a history of stabbing anarchists in the back after the mutual defeat of far right fascism, but always after the defeat of fascism, whereas the fascists have never had such qualms when it comes to attacking now




you're actually exactly the one I should be speaking with along with the other
liberals, you're a part of the problem, you still refuse to acknowledge why this
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    #23863457 - 11/24/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ok, discuss. you have something to say, say it. :shrug:


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I can make a gross generalization and admit that it is one




that's what pretty well, 90% of people do. for the sake of discussing race problems, you kinda have to.

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i am. sure, it's jungle sometimes, makes you wonder how you keep from going under.





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    #23863505 - 11/24/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you're absolutely right there's fucking racism in america and not a single god
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but do you want to know why you're seeing groups like these fuckhead neo nazis
popping up like cock roaches... it's because the asshats calling themselves
democrats have been creating and exacerbating the problem


let's discuss this, this is one of the men that Obama cut loose from voter
intimidation charges when he was armed outside of a polling place in violation of
the law, he scared white people and can you gues why he was scaring white people?


now, let's discuss the racism problem in america



I agree that hate happens on both sides, what do we have to gain from discussing this specific example? What was Obama's reason for ignoring the voter intimidation?




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you're actually exactly the one I should be speaking with along with the other
liberals, you're a part of the problem, you still refuse to acknowledge why this
problem has become what it is, you want to sidestep the issue instead of finding
and discussing the root causes



what am I  refusing to acknowledge? what do you believe is the root cause? i already stated mine (i think this is mostly a result of politicians and the media (both on ťhe right and left) using 'divide and conquer' tactics, coupled with internet culture changing the way humans relate to each other), so speak pris--i'm listening, let's have this conversation


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    #23863558 - 11/24/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23862226#23862226
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23863453#23863453



those people are stupid. :shrug: what the fuck do you have to say to people here, though? i mean, wtf are you even talking about Prisoner?

really?

do you want me to go talk to those black people whom wanna kill white babies? :blah: "hey, um, could you stop talking like that, it's rude...?"


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    #23863588 - 11/24/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree that hate happens on both sides, what do we have to gain from discussing this specific example? 





oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were interested in a discussion on this racism shit,
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    #23863645 - 11/24/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

this thread was about calling neo-nazis for what they are, when did i say i wanted to discuss US racial politics?

you are the one who said i am exactly the person you need to be talking to, and so i am listening. if that specific example you provided was supposed to reveal something to me, i am missing the point and would appreciate you taking the initiative in this discussion

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    #23863666 - 11/24/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this thread was about calling neo-nazis for what they are, when did i say i wanted to discuss US racial politics?





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i feel like we have some members on here who identify as alt-right--if so, any of you care to shed light on this?--because ever since trump got elected, people have been saying that this new regime in the USA isn't actually the racist, sexist, xenophobic caricature that was painted throughout the elections--the cry of "Just give them a chance!" echoing out




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    #23863715 - 11/24/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I posted I'm all fine with getting back to Nationalism. Get  our fingers out of everyone's pies and focus on ourselves.

My sister messages me as she's gay and said you know the last Nationalism we're the nazi.

Uhh no there's nothing with having pride for your country. Just because that sticks out that's ridiculous. I have friends of all colors, religions, and sexual preference. If your a US citizen or here legally that's fine. Whatever. Take in some Refugees sure. If they're here by legal standards it's fine.

We have some of the laxest immigration policies. I bet a lot of people immediately jumping ship to Canada got a huge dick to the face that it isn't that easy.

We are the most diverse nation on the planet. I think the nazi comparison is a weak cop out as countries that aren't as diverse are far more nationalist than us.


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    #23863733 - 11/24/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True, I was curious to hear how our more right-leaning posters viewed the alt-right neo-nazis after last Saturday. Between several responding posters here, and Trumps own statement, I have my answer.

Taken out of context, one could think that discussing the Trump administration, but you would hope my decision to conclude with "so are we still pretending that the alt-right is anything more than a rebranding of the nazi doctrine?" would make my actual intentions behind this thread apparent. Any reference to the USA was solely due to this group of neo-nazis being based in that country, not because I am focused only on US style fascism.



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    #23863742 - 11/24/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

so you're really only interested in knowing if others feel the same


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    #23863746 - 11/24/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody in the "alt right" likes Richard Spencer

Some say he's a plant to make the "alt right" look bad

True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"

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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:


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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:





so it couldnt possibly be about the right being sick of hearing liberals whining
about everything and calling everyone a racist, misogynist, xenophobe, etc...

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    #23863779 - 11/24/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The worst people are always the loudest. There is nothing wrong with Nationalism. The US in this day and age encompasses many races, religions and sexual preferences.

Name another country that does it at a level we do. None.


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    #23863786 - 11/24/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a damn mutt. I have Mexican blood, mostly Polish, Irish, etc.

My sister is doing a biology tree on us. Just found out we have Russian blood as well. The US is a nation of mutts and multiple cultures and people.  No nation is like that. Germans are Germans. French are French. Etc.


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    #23863793 - 11/24/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Name another country that does it at a level we do. None.



According to this map, I'd say about 80 other countries are ahead of you.



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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:




Xenophobes who don't want a 3000x increase in rapes like in Sweden.

Nationalists who want to preserve their culture. Nothing wrong with that.

Third wave feminists... who doesn't think these people are total nutcases?

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That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:





so it couldnt possibly be about the right being sick of hearing liberals whining
about everything and calling everyone a racist, misogynist, xenophobe, etc...

if it walks like a fuck and talks like a duck, sober up, you're probably on drugs



That's more or less what I said with a slightly different spin on it, but the point is the same; it's about the right backlashing against being called racist, misogynist, xenophobic. Not surprising some of them don't like being called alt-righters either. 2016 has been a big year defined by different people's struggle with identity. Whether it's transgender identity issues or conservative identity issues, racial identity issues or class identity, people are pretty adamant about not being called things they don't like identifying as.

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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:




Xenophobes who don't want a 3000x increase in rapes like in Sweden.

Nationalists who want to preserve their culture. Nothing wrong with that.

Third wave feminists... who doesn't think these people are total nutcases?

White supremacists... no, we're just trying to protect our own.



I think the people they are backlashing against are just as ridiculous. Identity politics is pretty nauseating.


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    #23863832 - 11/24/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As long as they are walking like ducks and not stepping like geese though.




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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:




Xenophobes who don't want a 3000x increase in rapes like in Sweden.

Nationalists who want to preserve their culture. Nothing wrong with that.

Third wave feminists... who doesn't think these people are total nutcases?

White supremacists... no, we're just trying to protect our own.




I think the people they are backlashing against are just as ridiculous. Identity politics is pretty nauseating.




It's more than identity politics. You've just been trained to see it as such.


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    #23863848 - 11/24/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Tell me about it. Now we've drawn lines from race, color, where you come from, religion, sexual preference, et fucking cetera.

Man it gets old real fast. I think nobody should be proud of anything about anything. Maybe that would solve everything.


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:antifascist:





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    #23863854 - 11/24/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pride is only thing that will keep us alive.  Else ya get raped. Like Sweden.


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    #23863857 - 11/24/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me about it. Now we've drawn lines from race, color, where you come from, religion, sexual preference, et fucking cetera.

Man it gets old real fast. I think nobody should be proud of anything about anything. Maybe that would solve everything.



The fall of Lucifer was precipitated by his pride. It is thought to be the one sin that severs the soul from Grace.

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The Lion's pride is what kept them alive.


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    #23863871 - 11/24/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Two game Cocks were fighting fiercely to be king of the farmyard. One finally gained advantage and the other surrendered.

The losing Cock slunk away and hid himself in a quiet corner, while the winner, flying up to a high wall, flapped his wings and crowed of his victory as loud as he could.

An Eagle sailing through the air pounced upon the winning Cock and carried him off in his talons. The losing Cock immediately came out of his corner, and he ruled the farmyard from that day forward.

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The winning cock thinks it can flood our countries with foreigners and replace our culture. We'll see what the losing cock thinks of that.


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    #23863909 - 11/24/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You misunderstand the moral of the fable. Excessive pride leads to inevitable comeuppance.


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I don't see any excessive pride here.


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    #23864021 - 11/24/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You misunderstand the moral of the fable. Excessive pride leads to inevitable comeuppance.




Oh I get it,

MSM = winning cock

Trump = eagle

Hillary/bernie supporters = losing cock

But for any of that to make sense the losing cock would have had to go out into the street and start breaking shit after he lost


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    #23866273 - 11/25/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump the fuck out of America you piece of suck, don't backpedal on flipflops.

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    #23866360 - 11/25/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you even live in the US? People would be flipping if I said I hope the swedes all get raped because of their influx of syrian immigrants (which has been happening). Nice Asante. Wishing marshal law on a country because of some butthurt. I completely understand why my father was against participation trophies now.


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    #23866371 - 11/25/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Asante is on some other level when he's talking about revolution. you gotta remember how high as fuck he is, and use this forum for a space to voice your opinions without making enemies with those here.

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    #23866550 - 11/25/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I'm really high and of course I'm talking out of my ass to an extent.

I HOPE Trump will herald the change that Obama cockteased the people with. Not by him but by forcing The People to take back the land.

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    #23866568 - 11/25/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

thing is Asante, for now, the "right" are gonna gloat about their practically libertarian president, as if they've all been confirmed, even though Trump had extinguished the common conservative/republican puritanism, at least till he was elected, (because people will believe, even fantasies, if it helps; and this will be seen as hypocrisy when they want to insist on outlawing abortion, and the like things they'll opt for), and the battle will go on, and no one will accept any change. you saw what happened to Sanders. people need to have their money, because that's all that makes their life worth living. change into some other sort will happen, but it'll always be a fight between the have and the have nots, and one way or another, the have will take, and the have nots will give, until there is uproar, and it'll probably be of the sort that'll destroy the planet, rather than one where people have to sacrifice anything in their living life.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23866575 - 11/25/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump's gotta do SOMETHING. If hes going to stick to his guns the CIA will pull a Kennedy. If he pussies out a lone wolf will take him out.

Something's gotta give.

You cant stir that much shit and win to no effect.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Mescalean]
    #23866583 - 11/25/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I measure my success in life by how triggered wiccan is.:rofl:

Seriously though, I feel bad for him. When the invaders finally take over his country, an obese, queer with medical problems from shoving shit up his ass will definitely end up on the short list.

Ironic that the "fascists" he swears are gonna come get him in the night may be his only hope.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Sticky Green]
    #23866600 - 11/25/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

he actually believes both the 'barbarians' and the 'pure' should not fight, truly, but i'd be sick of seeing the everyday stupidity of the world in posts like your own.

the irony is you both act the same, in the end.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23866618 - 11/25/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

....where to begin? it's probably not the end of "America" this cycle but anybody who thinks it won't eventually get toppled or crumble internally and go away.... they need a bigger dose of shrooms and contemplate the world so far.

left fear mongering, right fear mongering and hundreds of thousands of shell-shocked non- voters.



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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: PlantManBee]
    #23866854 - 11/25/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to voice opinions nicely when the lefties on the board pull the snarky remarks or underhanded comments while debating the right (right does it to i will admit, i consider myself neither) like I see so often on the boards as a form of trying to exert their "intellectual superiority", which I may add, ANY type of superiority complex is a pet peeve of mine so I apologize. Could be and intellectual/moral one, the know it all whos never fun to chill with or it could be the meat head that makes up for in bicep size what he lacks in height while being a cunt to others around him trying to better themselves at the gym. It's been a long week fill with long days. Apologies if I have been coming off cunty or as a dick tonight.

Part of me wants to blame the crankiness on the "kratom crash" too. Sorry akira and asante if i came of hostile


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23867068 - 11/25/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump the fuck out of America you piece of suck, don't backpedal on flipflops.

I want riots in the streets and air force deployment in the major cities before 2018.









So much for your "love and unity" bullshit when it comes to disagreeing with your liberal and social politics. You are beyond a hypocrite. I honestly had a lot of respect for you, but your blatant ignorance and disrespect for another view point is the epitome of bigotry.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: daytripper05] * 2
    #23867079 - 11/25/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He's totally fucked in the head. I've known this for a while now.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23867094 - 11/25/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"I hope the police start killing people in the black lives movement because all lives matter." would be an atrocious thing to say and wish.

But "I hope people start killing Trump supports because they are racists" is acceptable.

Hypocrisy aka "Liberal Logic"


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23867728 - 11/26/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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True alt righters also hate the term "alt right"




That's because it's largely made up of actual xenophobes that don't like being called xenophobes, true nationalists that don't like being called nationalists, anti-feminists that don't like being called misogynist, and a small but loud minority of white supremacists that don't like being called racists. It's not surprising they don't like the term alt-righter either, their whole thing is a backlash at being called a duck while walking like one. :lol:




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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23867733 - 11/26/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm a damn mutt. I have Mexican blood, mostly Polish, Irish, etc.

My sister is doing a biology tree on us. Just found out we have Russian blood as well. The US is a nation of mutts and multiple cultures and people.  No nation is like that. Germans are Germans. French are French. Etc.




Canada, and they do it much harder.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: koods]
    #23867741 - 11/26/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Canada, and they do it much harder.






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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23867768 - 11/26/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Me and trump are working on some shit... ya know, the boys upstairs..

Maybe you haven't been watching me lately, gonna have to show you boys what is really up

and then there is this internet crap that circulates where you think you know what you are talking about and then it is a bunch of bullshit that leads all you peoples conscious minds into a negativity of hell.

O man, hell exists and some of you who hate will be placed there. Can't wait, gonna be FUn FOR ME!!


Wake up to reality!


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #23867771 - 11/26/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, and https://www.greatagain.gov/serve-america.html

You boys should probably work a little harder


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Rhizohunter] * 1
    #23869103 - 11/26/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh yeah, and https://www.greatagain.gov/serve-america.html

You boys should probably work a little harder




did you hear, Trump has appointed the white supremacist, ben carson to be secretary of reeducation


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23869115 - 11/26/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I heard Ben Carson got his medical education in Cuba cause he's a communist sympathizer. He wasn't a grand wizard until much later in life.


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23869117 - 11/26/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Let's draft our daughters


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23869125 - 11/26/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh yeah, and https://www.greatagain.gov/serve-america.html

You boys should probably work a little harder




did you hear, Trump has appointed the white supremacist, ben carson to be secretary of reeducation



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I heard Ben Carson got his medical education in Cuba cause he's a communist sympathizer. He wasn't a grand wizard until much later in life.




:lmafo:

That damn trump and all his KLan members up in the White House


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23869147 - 11/26/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:breakthrough:  :breakthrough:

Amazing how hard you tard


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Morel Guy]
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23869655 - 11/26/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Such a hard tard


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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23869668 - 11/26/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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