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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23860433 - 11/23/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.
Nazis have been in the minority ever since Hitler shot himself in the head, that hasn't prevented them from taking action in the street before. And it is out in the streets where neo-Nazis should be confronted, time and time again, every time they feel it safe to rear their ugly head in public.
Here's a great documentary on how Paris youth in the '80s confronted a local resurgence of neo-Nazis: Antifa Chasseurs de Skins
also,for the record, donald trump disavowed the neo-Nazi alt-right in an interview with the new york times on tuesday: "I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,"
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#23860509 - 11/23/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the fact that Trump is getting hailed...it's like he's Kek...i mean look, America...good luck with that. i mean you'll be fine...just watch if you start 'hailing' just out of the blue, one day; that might be a little weird.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma]
#23860517 - 11/23/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trump is the republican Obama. He brings change.
Any real or notable change? probably not. But he is different.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23860531 - 11/23/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, and i think i trust Trump more than i do his constituency,...but his brain trust relies on the people, as i've been saying since the election began, and his brain trust is, like i would have suspected if only i didn't buy into the rhetoric here and around the web, that said things that they will get out of him, which they won't hold the administration accountable for themselves, they won't protest, it's bad to protest, so what'll happen is the brain trust turns to brain rust, and you get people having Trump rallies in their basement where they "hail Trump!" and like
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#23860569 - 11/23/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.
Nazis have been in the minority ever since Hitler shot himself in the head, that hasn't prevented them from taking action in the street before. And it is out in the streets where neo-Nazis should be confronted, time and time again, every time they feel it safe to rear their ugly head in public.
Here's a great documentary on how Paris youth in the '80s confronted a local resurgence of neo-Nazis: Antifa Chasseurs de Skins
also,for the record, donald trump disavowed the neo-Nazi alt-right in an interview with the new york times on tuesday: "I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,"
Thank you for the interesting doc!
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23860582 - 11/23/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't see how it's much different from Oby's day. There were songs about how great life was because Obama was president.
People don't even pay attention to the shit coming out their own mouths, much less would they someone else's. I was in my senior year when Obama got in. And that does effect my perception but I didn't feel it was safe to say I didn't vote for him, much less would I feel safe talking shit about him.
The only difference is it's not the pants sagging wanna be gangsters that believe wholeheartedly in something they don't remotely understand just because they've let the media (social or news) tell them that everything will be better 'because it's different this time, he's black/not a politician' and would fight me over it (yes there were alot of political based fistfights in 2008) it's now the camo deerhead wearing rednecks.
Same shit different day different name
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23860605 - 11/23/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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well, i couldn't give a crap about the Obama administration, i just hear things. Bush was funny, but everyone was so harsh on the poor idiot. i just apply hanlon's razor.
this is the first time i've seen anyone get so riled up, and then these SJWs, so uppity. now neo-naziesque (literally, National Socialist-like) salutes to an American president. ok. so that's same shit as always...or is it just compounded shit that has grown?
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23860640 - 11/23/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think it's really grown all that much, just people and the media are focusing on it so much more. Which inevitably will make it grow, but for right now I don't think it's very different.
Hopefully everyone will settle down and forget about everything but the shit of their own lives soon enough.
But then again American is past its golden age and is a growing mass of instability, the political shit is only a symptom of overall societal problems that are being unmanaged.
Our government was modeled after Rome. And, following the history of the Roman Empire, Trump will at most be Julius Caesar. And he'll get assassinated to stall an inevitable collapse that he can't really cause by himself anyway. More likely though it will happen after his "reign" and we realize we need a full government restructure.
Which needs to restructure the country in turn. Alot of the problems we are having are indicative of empires that have reached too far and spread themselves too thin.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#23860658 - 11/23/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#23860910 - 11/23/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: I agree with everything you say, except for the part where you state the alt-right movement is fake. Neo-Nazis may be a minority, but that doesn't mean they don't pose a real threat.
I'll have to check out your link later. But I wasn't saying these people don't exist, but it's not a "movement", which would imply huge numbers. Compared to the radical paid liberal protestors destroying public property, the amount of "alt-right" people are a drop in the bucket. So my point is if we use the same logic to call the "alt-right" a movement, than we need to recognize that ignorant liberal rioting (that many didn't even vote) is also a movement (and a bigger one at that).
You also have an editor at Politico that just got fired for inciting violence against the "alt-right" group. Not justifying the radical neo-nazis in any way, but they have a right to have their opinion and have conferences the same as people against them do. The point is that the liberal media showed complete bias in the portrayal of the "alt-right" while glazing over the radicals in Black Lives Matter and other liberal groups.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23860919 - 11/23/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.
So we should blame the media and other for people not taking responsibility for the own ignorance? I think it goes back to a societal issues where we condemn freethinking and having different view points. Colleges want everyone to look different but think the same. Liberals are tolerant until you disagree with them. You have celebrities mocking the future first lady for the appearance and accent, but if you do it to a liberal is misogyny and body shaming.
I hate the media, but if there wasn't a targetable audience to capitalize from, the media would have a drastically different ton. They certainly don't help the problem in anyway, but it's not entirely the media's fault. It's a multifaceted issue that runs deep within our country and why we have such division in what America should be.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: daytripper05]
#23860947 - 11/23/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Media is just the most obvious pawn on the chessboard, but it is but one of many. They are manipulated as people are. Perhaps the media is a bishop or even a queen but it is not the king and it is far from alone. Pawns play the game as much as any other piece tho.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: daytripper05]
#23861615 - 11/23/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: I'm thinking more people are jacked in now more than ever. Political people in mainstream media as well as fringe and not so fringe media are causing a great deal of this unrest. A lot of people just take what they hear at face value completely trusting the source and can be or are mentally lazy and do not look up facts for themselves. They base everything on hearsay or what they want to read. Seems like people don't want to step out of their comfort zone. Instigators and such are loving this mess.
So we should blame the media and other for people not taking responsibility for the own ignorance? I think it goes back to a societal issues where we condemn freethinking and having different view points. Colleges want everyone to look different but think the same. Liberals are tolerant until you disagree with them. You have celebrities mocking the future first lady for the appearance and accent, but if you do it to a liberal is misogyny and body shaming.
I hate the media, but if there wasn't a targetable audience to capitalize from, the media would have a drastically different ton. They certainly don't help the problem in anyway, but it's not entirely the media's fault. It's a multifaceted issue that runs deep within our country and why we have such division in what America should be.
I was saying it is just a part and not the sole cause. I agree with what you added as well.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23862226 - 11/23/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chakra Shock said: It's not fake when they're organizing and hosting panels at political conferences like the one Shivas.wisdom posted. Come on, stop ignoring the truth, particularly Prisoner#1 and Qman. You guys can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, but there is racism in America, and it is gaining attention and power thanks to Trump and his supporters.
you're absolutely right there's fucking racism in america and not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump but do you want to know why you're seeing groups like these fuckhead neo nazis popping up like cock roaches... it's because the asshats calling themselves democrats have been creating and exacerbating the problem
let's discuss this, this is one of the men that Obama cut loose from voter intimidation charges when he was armed outside of a polling place in violation of the law, he scared white people and can you gues why he was scaring white people?
now, let's discuss the racism problem in america
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23862316 - 11/24/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem
I don't support anti-white racism, but I don't think any deities have condemned me either
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Prisoner#1] 5
#23862868 - 11/24/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: not a single god damned liberal wants to discuss the racism problem, they jhust want to blame trump
you dont know all the liberals so you cant make that call or maybe you do know all the liberals and can validate it through your own experiences because you attend all the liberal parties
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#23862949 - 11/24/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23863045 - 11/24/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chakra Shock said: It's not fake when they're organizing and hosting panels at political conferences like the one Shivas.wisdom posted. Come on, stop ignoring the truth, particularly Prisoner#1 and Qman. You guys can hide your head in the sand as long as you want, but there is racism in America, and it is gaining attention and power thanks to Trump and his supporters.
The 'alt-right' displayed their true intentions at that panel in the video, and they are some fucked up individuals.
This is not a time to take a stance based on economics and your ego-routines, this isn't a power play between two ideologies: this day and age calls into question the very fundamental validity of calling this a free country. In a country where racist and xenophobic sentiments can be supported by the president elect, leading to acts of racism and hatred carried out in his name, and he doesn't do a damn thing to denounce it, then freedom is on the run.
Look at the people he has nominated for his cabinet and chief of justice: these are racist mother fuckers! Deny it all you want, but it's plain for anyone who has a shred of observational skills to see.
And furthermore, there is an ongoing battle between the landowning rights of an entire community of people, the Sioux, and a corporation which is attempting to build on their land illegally. The police have massed en force and are carrying out atrocious acts of aggression against the peaceful protesters, one girl's arm was nearly blown off by a concussion grenade.
And all you can do is say 'there's no such thing as the alt-right, it's obama's fault'. There's too much at stake to be so ignorant.
"there is racism in America"
Yeah, BLM's and Obama illustrated that fact the past 4 years very well.
"In a country where racist and xenophobic sentiments can be supported by the President...leading to acts of racism and hatred carried out in his name"
Like Ferguson, Baltimore, and dozens of other US cities where people rioted and attacked people based on their race? Thank Obama.
"Look at the people he nominated for his cabinet"
Like Eric Holder?
"There's too much at stake to be so ignorant"
Exactly.
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: qman]
#23863054 - 11/24/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was AFK for the big Event
So i just want to stop in here to get my told you so out of the way.
remember how we were called dellusional?
Remember how they said he'd never win?
i do.
Fuck you all and MAGA
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Re: Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory! [Re: Apostle]
#23863066 - 11/24/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And my obligatory congratulations on his second place finish
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