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New Psilocybe species??? *DELETED*
    #23854797 - 11/21/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: Not a new species. Determined to be Deconica montana


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz] * 1
    #23854812 - 11/21/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

P. baeocystis? :shrug:

I don't know, but they look cool! :thumbup:


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23854860 - 11/21/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybe baeocystis has adnate to sinuate gills, as most Psilocybes do, like cyanescens and azurescens.

The decurrent gills on these mushrooms is what has me believing it is a new species. But, only micrographs will tell for sure.


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    #23854904 - 11/21/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd call em Deconica.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23854931 - 11/21/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wish OP wud post more pix


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23854942 - 11/21/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd call em Deconica.




I'm seeing a good deal of blue in the second picture. Is my screen playing me a trick?


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23854956 - 11/21/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just looks brown/black to me :shrug:


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23854965 - 11/21/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

More pix dammit:oldman:


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: rhizoRider]
    #23855036 - 11/21/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just looks brown/black to me :shrug:




Okay, so it's a draw until someone comes on and supports either of us. I'm not at all sure what this is, but to me it looks like a Psilocybe.

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More pix dammit:oldman:




Yeah, I agree. :thumbup:


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855130 - 11/21/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the stem color is throwing me off. they look like a psilocybe thou from the gills...

Need some more pics with brighter light source.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23855235 - 11/21/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In the OP pic of the mushrooms in my hand, you see the small cap with the lightest colored stem? There is a blue bruise right in the middle of the stem that was from me pinch-testing it.





Here is another pic. Sorry about the lighting, it was night when I found these. I will go back to the same spot when hopefully another flush pops up and I can photograph them in daylight. In this pic, the stem that is sticking straight up in the air, was broken off, the base didnt come with it when I picked it. That broken end bruised instantly dark bluish black, like P. azurescens. The cap to the farthest left in this picture is an old specimen that was already completely blue before I picked it. The broken base of the stem is also bluish black. I almost thought these were P. azurescens, but the gill attachment isnt right, nor is the color, and they are much smaller.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855258 - 11/21/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ok, i see it now. Thanks.

The ones that look like psilocybe are likely Mycena. Not active.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855259 - 11/21/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855293 - 11/21/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd call em Deconica.



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23855313 - 11/21/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ok, i see it now. Thanks.

The ones that look like psilocybe are likely Mycena. Not active.





They have purple spores, they cannot be mycena.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855315 - 11/21/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd call em Deconica.




They have purple spores, so they cannot be Deconica.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855318 - 11/21/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They are without a doubt in the Psilocybe genus. The only thing I'm questioning is which species


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855323 - 11/21/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm...


got a clear pic of the spore print?


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 5
    #23855333 - 11/21/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica spores are the same color as Psilocybe spores.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855341 - 11/21/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Really?

How curious and DANGEROUS.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855347 - 11/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm


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    #23855350 - 11/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica are not dangerous, they're just inactive


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855356 - 11/21/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh.

Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?


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    #23855370 - 11/21/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, some Psathyrella have purple black spore prints as well. Nothing toxic does though.


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    #23855380 - 11/21/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.

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Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?




Stropharia have purple spores as well.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855455 - 11/21/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

According to Wikipedia, Deconica has grayish brown spores, not purple, and that was one of the reasons for it being removed from the Psilocybe genus. The other reason is that it does not bruise blue because it is not active.

I also happen to know what Deconica montana looks like, they are very common in my potted plants. As you will see in my signature, there is a photo of some, and they are not the same.

Here is the spore print, nice purple just like Psilocybe stuntzii, baeocystis, cyanescens, azurescens, and probably others. Psilocybe spores can range from brown to purple, that is one reason why Deconica was removed from the genus.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855491 - 11/21/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Poiple


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    #23855507 - 11/21/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Poiple


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855516 - 11/21/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Poiple


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855521 - 11/21/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Doctorghosty, Deconica coprophila is a dunglover... these mushrooms were found nowhere near dung.

Deconica montana does grow in this type of habitat, but Wikipedia says "The spore print is dark greyish-brown." And... it does not bruise blue.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855524 - 11/21/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You said deconica spore prints were not purple, I was simply illustrating that some clearly are


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855528 - 11/21/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.

Quote:

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Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?




Stropharia have purple spores as well.





^ exactly. But Stropharia do not have pellicles. This mushroom does, therefore making it a Psilocybe.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855531 - 11/21/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You said deconica spore prints were not purple, I was simply illustrating that some clearly are




True, I apologize for not being more specific. I meant Deconica montana spores are not purple


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855534 - 11/21/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any blue bruising in any of your pictures


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855535 - 11/21/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It is hard to see, since the stem is brown, not white. But I saw it in person and Im telling you, they bruise dark blue lol.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855538 - 11/21/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. Agree to disagree.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855546 - 11/21/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. I'll eat some and tell you if they are active, and that will settle it lol.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855552 - 11/21/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

just watch out for placebo. If u get hardcore CEVs then we can rule out placebo.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #23855578 - 11/21/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica is a genus that was created after some psilocybe species were secuenced and were found out to be polyphyletic -found out to have psilocybe characteristics but were non-blue bruising and in turn non psychoactive. They posses physical attributes almost identical to the psilocybe genus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconica


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23855590 - 11/21/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a truly experienced mushroom hunter but I don't think you should be eating a species that you have not properly identified. I'm not disputing your ID you could definitely be correct, and it may be true that purple spored mushrooms aren't particularly toxic, but still use caution. You could wait until microscopy has been done. If you are going to test them for potency make a strong lemon tek or tea because the dose will be too small to tell otherwise, and that way you are also safe from any non water-soluble toxins.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: west coast hunt]
    #23855600 - 11/21/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Eating them is a poor way to test them, your confirmation bias precludes an objective answer


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: west coast hunt]
    #23855671 - 11/21/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys. I didnt know some toxins arent water soluble, makes sense, I just didnt know that. I will make a tea, add some lemon juice, drink it, and repeat until I am confident there are no water solubles left in the shrooms.

But before I do all that, I will wait for the next flush, get better pics of them in daylight, and pick more, because I have an unusually high tolerance to hallucinogens and I want to make sure I am having a real psychedelic experience, not placebo effect.

For the record, placebo has never happened to me, even when I was in a room full of people frying on acid or mescaline, when others in the room were having allegedly "contact high." To explain what I mean by my hallucinogen tolerance, my first time ever doing ecstacy, my friends all ate one purple nike, so I ate one, and they were rolling tits but I felt nothing. I wanted to take a second one but my friends were rolling so hard they thought I would overdose if I took 2. So an hour later, still not feeling anything, I ate a second one and drank some OJ and finally started to roll. Every time I've eaten cubensis, 3.5 grams to my friends is like 4 or 5 grams to me, and even then I only had slight visuals, never CEV's. Another time I ate 5 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds with no effect. I later gave my friend 5 of the same seeds cuz I wanted to know if I got ripped off, and he said he fried like he was on acid. So those have been my experiences, and I really dont know what to expect from these shrooms but I'm willing to try them.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855676 - 11/21/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eating them is a poor way to test them, your confirmation bias precludes an objective answer




You're right, it is a poor test lol. It can easily be biased either way. I still want to try them.

Does anyone know another way to test for psilocybin? A lab I could send samples to or something?


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855680 - 11/21/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

some drug testing kit im sure. Marqis or something.


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    #23855685 - 11/21/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

PM Alan Rockefeller, he could put you in touch with the right people for sure


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    #23855690 - 11/21/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

For real? Thanks doctorghosty.

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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855697 - 11/21/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man, Rockefeller is the real deal, he'll shoot you straight

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    #23855708 - 11/21/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855853 - 11/21/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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^ exactly. But Stropharia do not have pellicles. This mushroom does, therefore making it a Psilocybe.




I wasn't implying this mushroom was a Stropharia, because I am certain it is Deconica.


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    #23856191 - 11/22/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If they were a psilocybe id guess psilocybe quebecensis. Not a lot of good pics of the species to reference. From what I've seen and understand they're alot like azzies or serbica but smaller and capable of having a rather dark stem in varying degrees.

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    #23857183 - 11/22/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really know but maybe they are Psilocybe washingtonensis

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The cap is obtusely conic to convex, and does not expand to become flattened with age; it reaches 1–2 cm (0.4–0.8 in) in diameter. Its margin is bent in slightly at first but soon straightens. The cap surface is smooth except for a faint fringe at the margin from a rudimentary veil, sticky, hygrophanous but opaque when moist, deep brown in the center and somewhat darker brown near the margin. As the mushroom matures, it fades slowly in the center to a dull cinnamon color. The pellicle rips into shreds when peeled. The pliant flesh is thin, 2 mm in the center of the cap and tapered evenly to the margin. The cap surface is covered with grayish fibrils; underneath the fibrils the color is initially the same as the cap, but becomes blackish-brown in age at the base or over lower parts. The gills are slightly darker than the cap in color, broadly adnate, but develop a slight decurrent tooth in age (when the gill separates slightly from the stem). The gills are broad (about 3 mm), with a close to subdistant spacing. Roughly 24 gills reach the cap edge from the stem; there are additionally 2 or three tiers of lamellulae—short gills that do not extend completely from the stem to the cap edge. The stem is 3 to 5 cm (1.2 to 2.0 in) long by 1.5–2.5 mm thick, and equal in width throughout its length. It is attached to its substrate (wood or sticks) by a grayish mat of mycelium.[2] It is not known if the mushroom contains psychoactive compounds like psilocybin or psilocin.[4]

The spore print is purple-brown. The spores are ellipsoid to slightly egg-shaped, smooth, and measure 6.3–7.5 by 3.8–4.5 μm. The spores have an apical pore, but it is small and inconspicuous. The basidia (spore-bearing cells) are four-spored, narrowly club-shaped to somewhat cylindrical, and measure 18–24 by 5–6 μm. P. washingtonensis has scattered to abundant pleurocystidia (cystidia on the gill face) that typically measure 38–56 by 9–12 μm. There are two forms of cheilocystidia (cystidia in the gill edge): one is fusoid-ventricose (distinctly enlarged in the middle and tapered toward both ends) with blunt to somewhat sharp apices, often covered with mucilage, and measures 26–38 by 7–11 μm; the other is broadly club-shaped to capitate (with a distinct spherical tip), and measures 26 by 10–12 μm.[2]





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_washingtonensis

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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23857196 - 11/22/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Maynard, the first sentence or two of that description says the caps do not flatten with age....have you looked at OPs pics?


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    #23857218 - 11/22/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i would argue that all psilocybes flatten over time. Lots of evidence to support this.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Hammer92]
    #23857220 - 11/22/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I have looked at his photos. Not matching one characteristic doesn't completely rule out the possibility...
as an example I have seen fully mature Psilocybe cyanescens that do not get wavy when fully mature and Stropharia rugosoannulata they don't in any way have reddish caps.

I'm not sure exactly how many times P. washingtonensis has been found but it's vary rare as far as I know.


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    #23857652 - 11/22/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i would argue that all psilocybes flatten over time. Lots of evidence to support this.




also strong evidence to refute it.
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    #23857695 - 11/22/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23857923 - 11/22/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i would argue that all psilocybes flatten over time. Lots of evidence to support this.



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23857926 - 11/22/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Either way that's cool man I've never heard of washingtonensis thanks for bringin that up


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    #23857934 - 11/22/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen some in a thread on Shroomery, just a week ago, libs with flat caps.


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    #23858135 - 11/22/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're link is bad and you should feel bad




Your grammar is incorrect and you should feel bad :lol:

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    #23858183 - 11/22/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #23858475 - 11/22/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're link is bad and you should feel bad




Your grammar is incorrect and you should feel bad :lol:

Link fixed.




LOL @ both of you.

Anyway, I doubt it is Washingtonensis because it says the cap has fibrils and these mushrooms dont. I dont have a microscope :frown:

But I am sending a print and cap to Greg, who does have one and he is going to take micrographs of the spores and gills.


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    #23858636 - 11/22/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.

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Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?




Stropharia have purple spores as well.





^ exactly. But Stropharia do not have pellicles. This mushroom does, therefore making it a Psilocybe.




stropharia do have pellicles lol


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    #23859039 - 11/22/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Name one


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    #23859170 - 11/23/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd definitely consider Deconica inquilina for these samples.


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    #23859301 - 11/23/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ive seen some in a thread on Shroomery, just a week ago, libs with flat caps.



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    #23859318 - 11/23/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd definitely consider Deconica inquilina for these samples.




Deconicas dont blue!

Here, I edited these pics to make the bluing easier to see. I did NOT color shift, or increase just the blue. What I did was slightly increase the brightness, and then greatly increase the saturation, so the green in the moss is greener, the red in my hand is redder, and the VERY OBVIOUS BLUE is bluer.


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    #23859793 - 11/23/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Deconicas dont blue!





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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23860006 - 11/23/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Name one





the top of the cap is the pellicle what you mean is the gelatinous membrane that lies above the cap/pileus

stropharia aeruginosa/other blue stropharia
stropharia semiglobata

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    #23860198 - 11/23/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I couldn't see any bluing from the beginning, and apparently I'm not alone. Your last photos trying to enhance the colors is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long while. Your photos have a too high blue tone from the beginning.

Here's your mushrooms with warmer colors more close to reality:



I agree with this being a Deconica. If you think we are wrong, provide better photos showing the bluing in daylight.


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    #23894209 - 12/04/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Found some more of these mystery mushrooms and photographed them in sunlight. They were growing nearby some Deconica montana and seem to like the same type of substrate, sand and moss.



^ those are the unknowns, they bruise blue and have purple spores, with decurrent gills and no annulus. Gelatinous pellicle is extremely thin, but present.

V those are Deconica montana, they bruise brown and have grayish brown spores. They also have a thicker gelatinous pellicle.



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    #23894863 - 12/04/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Found some more of these mystery mushrooms and photographed them in sunlight. They were growing nearby some Deconica montana and seem to like the same type of substrate, sand and moss.



^ those are the unknowns, they bruise blue and have purple spores, with decurrent gills and no annulus. Gelatinous pellicle is extremely thin, but present.

V those are Deconica montana, they bruise brown and have grayish brown spores. They also have a thicker gelatinous pellicle.





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    #23894983 - 12/04/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Joust, he was saying that the top are Psilocybe and the bottom are Deconica.


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    #23895050 - 12/04/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Joust, he was saying that the top are Psilocybe and the bottom are Deconica.


I agree with you, the top are Deconica and the bottom are Galerina.



I should have made that clear haha
Oh I know what he was saying :lol:

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    #24168650 - 03/16/17 10:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)



Hey all, I went back to the same spot to see if the same mushrooms would come back in the spring. They did.

I still think they might be a new species.

Microscopically, the spores most resemble Psilocybe baeocystis. But baeocystis never has subdecurrent or decurrent gills. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Macroscopically, they most resemble Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa. The colors, the stipe, the habitat, everything. But the spores are the wrong shape.

If anybody is a mycologist or knows somebody who is a mycologist, please PM me, I would like to send fresh mushroom samples to be examined further. All that has been micrographed are the spores, it is unknown whether cystidia are present.

Also, if anybody is a chemist or knows somebody who is a chemist, please PM me because I would like to send dry mushroom samples for alkaloid analysis to be done.

Please keep in mind that if this is a new species, I have no interest in recognition for the discovery. I just want the mushroom to be added to the wealth of scientific knowledge for the benefit of others.


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Yeah, OP has Deconica

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    #24171042 - 03/17/17 09:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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Joust, he was saying that the top are Psilocybe and the bottom are Deconica.


I agree with you, the top are Deconica and the bottom are Galerina.



I should have made that clear haha
Oh I know what he was saying :lol:

But really, classic appearances for both. Bluing I think is wishful :shrug:




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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #24171483 - 03/18/17 02:48 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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but Wikipedia says "The spore print is dark greyish-brown."





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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: SkagitHunter]
    #24172657 - 03/18/17 03:55 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

They look like every other Deconica I've seen in the PNW except the galerina posted.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Adden]
    #24175527 - 03/19/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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i think those pictures make it very clear that they arent psilocybe imo



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They look like every other Deconica I've seen in the PNW except the galerina posted.




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