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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#23858183 - 11/22/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Mr Piggy]
#23858475 - 11/22/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mr Piggy said:
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maynardjameskeenan said: You're link is bad and you should feel bad
Your grammar is incorrect and you should feel bad 
Link fixed.
LOL @ both of you.
Anyway, I doubt it is Washingtonensis because it says the cap has fibrils and these mushrooms dont. I dont have a microscope 
But I am sending a print and cap to Greg, who does have one and he is going to take micrographs of the spores and gills.
-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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Blazeyy
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23858636 - 11/22/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greenthumz said:
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Ran-D said: Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?
Stropharia have purple spores as well.
^ exactly. But Stropharia do not have pellicles. This mushroom does, therefore making it a Psilocybe.
stropharia do have pellicles lol
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Blazeyy]
#23859039 - 11/22/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Name one
-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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inski
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23859170 - 11/23/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd definitely consider Deconica inquilina for these samples.
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Mattisfat
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ive seen some in a thread on Shroomery, just a week ago, libs with flat caps.
Any shroom can mutate, that doesnt mean its typical of the species
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: inski]
#23859318 - 11/23/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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inski said: I'd definitely consider Deconica inquilina for these samples.
Deconicas dont blue!
Here, I edited these pics to make the bluing easier to see. I did NOT color shift, or increase just the blue. What I did was slightly increase the brightness, and then greatly increase the saturation, so the green in the moss is greener, the red in my hand is redder, and the VERY OBVIOUS BLUE is bluer.
-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23859321 - 11/23/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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Ran-D



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23859793 - 11/23/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greenthumz said: Deconicas dont blue!
And neither do the mushrooms in your photos.
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Blazeyy
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23860006 - 11/23/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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greenthumz said: Name one
the top of the cap is the pellicle what you mean is the gelatinous membrane that lies above the cap/pileus
stropharia aeruginosa/other blue stropharia stropharia semiglobata
are the ones i've tried to peel so far and they all have the membrane
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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knarkkorven
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Blazeyy] 1
#23860198 - 11/23/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I couldn't see any bluing from the beginning, and apparently I'm not alone. Your last photos trying to enhance the colors is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long while. Your photos have a too high blue tone from the beginning.
Here's your mushrooms with warmer colors more close to reality:

I agree with this being a Deconica. If you think we are wrong, provide better photos showing the bluing in daylight.
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23894209 - 12/04/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Found some more of these mystery mushrooms and photographed them in sunlight. They were growing nearby some Deconica montana and seem to like the same type of substrate, sand and moss.

^ those are the unknowns, they bruise blue and have purple spores, with decurrent gills and no annulus. Gelatinous pellicle is extremely thin, but present.
V those are Deconica montana, they bruise brown and have grayish brown spores. They also have a thicker gelatinous pellicle.
-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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doctorghosty
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz] 3
#23894223 - 12/04/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still haven't seen any blue bruising though
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Joust
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#23894863 - 12/04/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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greenthumz said: Found some more of these mystery mushrooms and photographed them in sunlight. They were growing nearby some Deconica montana and seem to like the same type of substrate, sand and moss.

^ those are the unknowns, they bruise blue and have purple spores, with decurrent gills and no annulus. Gelatinous pellicle is extremely thin, but present.
V those are Deconica montana, they bruise brown and have grayish brown spores. They also have a thicker gelatinous pellicle.

ONE OF MY FAVORITES!
Deconica montana your ones below are galerina like G. clavata
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Ran-D



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Joust]
#23894983 - 12/04/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joust, he was saying that the top are Psilocybe and the bottom are Deconica.
I agree with you, the top are Deconica and the bottom are Galerina.
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Joust
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
#23895050 - 12/04/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ran-D said: Joust, he was saying that the top are Psilocybe and the bottom are Deconica.
I agree with you, the top are Deconica and the bottom are Galerina.
I should have made that clear haha Oh I know what he was saying 
But really, classic appearances for both. Bluing I think is wishful
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Ran-D



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Joust]
#23895063 - 12/04/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Joust said: But really, classic appearances for both. Bluing I think is wishful 
Yep.
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Blazeyy
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
#23895489 - 12/04/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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these was deconica from photo 1
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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greenthumz
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
#24168650 - 03/16/17 10:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all, I went back to the same spot to see if the same mushrooms would come back in the spring. They did.
I still think they might be a new species.
Microscopically, the spores most resemble Psilocybe baeocystis. But baeocystis never has subdecurrent or decurrent gills. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Macroscopically, they most resemble Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa. The colors, the stipe, the habitat, everything. But the spores are the wrong shape.
If anybody is a mycologist or knows somebody who is a mycologist, please PM me, I would like to send fresh mushroom samples to be examined further. All that has been micrographed are the spores, it is unknown whether cystidia are present.
Also, if anybody is a chemist or knows somebody who is a chemist, please PM me because I would like to send dry mushroom samples for alkaloid analysis to be done.
Please keep in mind that if this is a new species, I have no interest in recognition for the discovery. I just want the mushroom to be added to the wealth of scientific knowledge for the benefit of others.
-------------------- Amanita muscaria - Gymnopilus luteifolius - Psilocybe azurescens
Psilocybe pelliculosa - Psilocybe stuntzii
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Mattisfat
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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz] 1
#24168955 - 03/17/17 02:04 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think those pictures make it very clear that they arent psilocybe imo
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