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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855347 - 11/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #23855350 - 11/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica are not dangerous, they're just inactive


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855356 - 11/21/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh.

Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23855370 - 11/21/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, some Psathyrella have purple black spore prints as well. Nothing toxic does though.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23855380 - 11/21/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.

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Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?




Stropharia have purple spores as well.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855455 - 11/21/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

According to Wikipedia, Deconica has grayish brown spores, not purple, and that was one of the reasons for it being removed from the Psilocybe genus. The other reason is that it does not bruise blue because it is not active.

I also happen to know what Deconica montana looks like, they are very common in my potted plants. As you will see in my signature, there is a photo of some, and they are not the same.

Here is the spore print, nice purple just like Psilocybe stuntzii, baeocystis, cyanescens, azurescens, and probably others. Psilocybe spores can range from brown to purple, that is one reason why Deconica was removed from the genus.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855491 - 11/21/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #23855507 - 11/21/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855516 - 11/21/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855521 - 11/21/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Doctorghosty, Deconica coprophila is a dunglover... these mushrooms were found nowhere near dung.

Deconica montana does grow in this type of habitat, but Wikipedia says "The spore print is dark greyish-brown." And... it does not bruise blue.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855524 - 11/21/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You said deconica spore prints were not purple, I was simply illustrating that some clearly are


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: Ran-D]
    #23855528 - 11/21/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Deconica and Psilocybe were originally synonymous, the main difference is Deconica species are not active.

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Are Deconicas the only other species with purple spores?




Stropharia have purple spores as well.





^ exactly. But Stropharia do not have pellicles. This mushroom does, therefore making it a Psilocybe.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855531 - 11/21/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You said deconica spore prints were not purple, I was simply illustrating that some clearly are




True, I apologize for not being more specific. I meant Deconica montana spores are not purple


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855534 - 11/21/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any blue bruising in any of your pictures


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855535 - 11/21/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It is hard to see, since the stem is brown, not white. But I saw it in person and Im telling you, they bruise dark blue lol.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855538 - 11/21/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. Agree to disagree.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23855546 - 11/21/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. I'll eat some and tell you if they are active, and that will settle it lol.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: greenthumz]
    #23855552 - 11/21/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

just watch out for placebo. If u get hardcore CEVs then we can rule out placebo.


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #23855578 - 11/21/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deconica is a genus that was created after some psilocybe species were secuenced and were found out to be polyphyletic -found out to have psilocybe characteristics but were non-blue bruising and in turn non psychoactive. They posses physical attributes almost identical to the psilocybe genus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconica


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Re: New Psilocybe species??? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23855590 - 11/21/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a truly experienced mushroom hunter but I don't think you should be eating a species that you have not properly identified. I'm not disputing your ID you could definitely be correct, and it may be true that purple spored mushrooms aren't particularly toxic, but still use caution. You could wait until microscopy has been done. If you are going to test them for potency make a strong lemon tek or tea because the dose will be too small to tell otherwise, and that way you are also safe from any non water-soluble toxins.


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