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thirtygoats

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Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt
#23854521 - 11/21/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/life-sentence-for-drug-user-who-strangled-his-grandmother-and-drowned-his-aunt-35232914.html
"A drug user who strangled his grandmother and drowned his aunt in a bath in a "savage and brutal" double-killing has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 15 years.
Christopher Whelan (21) armed himself with an axe and a pen knife during the killing of Julie Hill (51) and 75-year-old Rose Hill after cannabis use "exacerbated" his violent thoughts linked to an obsessional disorder.
Nottingham Crown Court was told Whelan, who admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, heard the voice of "Satan" directing him as he killed the victims at his aunt's home in Shirebrook, Derbyshire.
Passing sentence on Whelan, of Dransfield Road, Crosspool, Sheffield, High Court judge Mrs Justice Carr said the last minutes of both victims' lives must have been "terrifying, bewildering and agonising".
The judge told Whelan: "This was very serious offending involving the brutal death of two innocent women.
"They died in the most horrific of circumstances at the hands of a grandson or a nephew. I have no hesitation in concluding that you pose a significant risk to members of the public of serious harm.
"Both consultant forensic psychiatrists (acting for the prosecution and the defence) confirm that you remain an unpredictable and dangerous person, continuing to suffer from violent urges.
"I am fully satisfied that the seriousness of these offences is such as to justify the imposition of a sentence of imprisonment for life."
Whelan, a former Matalan worker, began using cannabis aged 16 and was said by a relative to have been in an "emotional and tearful" state on the night before the killings on February 25 this year.
The court heard on Friday how the younger victim's 22-year-old son, Liam Parker, took his own life in April after finding his mother's body.
The court was also told that a bloodstained axe was found near the body of Rose Hill, who lived in Sheffield but was visiting her daughter, having arrived in Shirebrook a couple of minutes after her grandson.
Post-mortem examinations found Rose had been strangled, while her daughter, who had wounds to her fingers and chin, had been punched in the face, knocking out one of her teeth, before she was drowned.
After the killings, Whelan was seen in Louth, Boston and King's Lynn before catching a train to London - where he was arrested two days later after ringing the police from a decorating store.
The churchgoer, said to have had a "fundamentalist" Christian upbringing, informed a call-handler: "I have done something really bad, a murder. It's my auntie and my nan. I have messed up, I need to serve the punishment."
Whelan, who appeared in the dock wearing a dark blue suit, is believed to have started using cannabis aged 16, smoking around an ounce of the drug each week.
Jailing the double-killer, Mrs Justice Carr accepted evidence that he had taken £100 and a bank cards from his aunt's purse after killing her, and had moved a dining room chair into the cellar before severing an artery in his grandmother's wrist.
"I am sure that you inflicted significant physical suffering on both of them," the judge told Whelan. "You also inflicted mental suffering, at least on Rose, with the use of an axe as a threat.
"These were savage and brutal attacks even before the killings."
Addressing the defendant's mental state, the judge added: "There is no suggestion that your ability to understand the nature of your own conduct was in any way impaired.
"You knew what you were doing and that it was wrong, even if your ability to form rational judgment or to resist you violent urges was mentally impaired.
"Your violent urges were exacerbated, as you knew, by your long-standing use of cannabis. Even if cannabis did not play any direct part in your offending at the time of the attacks, you smoking of cannabis was one of the triggers for the killings."
In his account of the run-up to the killings, Whelan said he had previously helped out with gardening at his aunt's home before a row over a spilt bucket of water led to a fall-out.
The court heard Whelan had suffered from anxiety throughout his life and developed obsessional thoughts from a young age of violence towards others - even fantasising about killing a stranger on a bus.
Speaking after the case, Whelan's father - who asked not be named, told reporters: "At the end of the day, for me it's the weed that's at the centre of all this.
"There's too blase an attitude. It's ridiculous." Press Association"
This is the stupidest article I've seen in a long time. I posted the following comment on their website and they did not approve it.
"I'm 26 and have smoked since I was 16 and I've never smoked an entire ounce of weed in a week in my entire life. I find it hard to believe he could do that unless that was literally all he was doing because smoking an ounce of weed a week means you're not going to be doing very much or being very productive. Marijuana was not the cause of his behavior. He used marijuana as medicine to deal with his problems, that was just his preference. Some people prefer alcohol and you know how violent alcoholics are. Marijuana is a safe, healthy alternative to harmful drugs like alcohol, tobacco, and pills. Marijuana users are not violent people. I am one of the most non-violent, non-confrontational people you'll probably ever meet."
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larry.fisherman
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23854641 - 11/21/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's crazy they can report someone's defense as news. If it's not entirely provable and it's in your favour, blow it the fuck up. Court 101. "Dimishished responsibility." He had a good lawyer.
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rickpsfuckyou
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23854667 - 11/21/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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in the killers defense, i have smoked a half pound in a week, started smoking at 13, and have never killed anybody
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23854730 - 11/21/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear voices of spirit shadows and shit like that. If they tried to get me to kill someone I would just laugh it off. Generally the voices are nicer to me than I am in general.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23854943 - 11/21/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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thirtygoats said:
This is the stupidest article I've seen in a long time. I posted the following comment on their website and they did not approve it.
"I'm 26 and have smoked since I was 16 and I've never smoked an entire ounce of weed in a week in my entire life. I find it hard to believe he could do that unless that was literally all he was doing because smoking an ounce of weed a week means you're not going to be doing very much or being very productive. Marijuana was not the cause of his behavior. He used marijuana as medicine to deal with his problems, that was just his preference. Some people prefer alcohol and you know how violent alcoholics are. Marijuana is a safe, healthy alternative to harmful drugs like alcohol, tobacco, and pills. Marijuana users are not violent people. I am one of the most non-violent, non-confrontational people you'll probably ever meet."
Do you also have the same mental health issues this guy had?
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: Eminence]
#23854957 - 11/21/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes when you are really balls to th wall crazy, drugs have no effect. Nothing that once brought comfort or sedation will work. It can take years on antipsychotics that would drop a normal person, to mellow out a truly unruly fool.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23854997 - 11/21/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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thirtygoats said: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/life-sentence-for-drug-user-who-strangled-his-grandmother-and-drowned-his-aunt-35232914.html
Speaking after the case, Whelan's father - who asked not be named, told reporters: "At the end of the day, for me it's the weed that's at the centre of all this.
No sir its the fathers fucked up parenting skills that caused his son to kill people, notice how the father won't even allow his name to be reveled.
Yup no one has ever done anything insane without smoking some weed first eh, You just got to love reefer madness.
BTW its just another example of the parents stupidity mixed with the mental illness of their child, and instead of getting him help they just blamed his attempt to help himself by self medicating as the cause of his problem espousing themselves of any blame. Typical self righteous egotistical morons you know prohibitions.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: rider420]
#23855003 - 11/21/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smoking more bud usually solves the problems caused by cannabis. Sounds strange? Get some different bud.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: Morel Guy]
#23855118 - 11/21/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think any of us can discredit the supposed effect of weed on his actions, but one thing is for sure. The weed was not "the center of all of this". His mental illness was. If you don't believe that then go get high and see if you kill anyone.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: searching] 3
#23855450 - 11/21/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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New evidence shows that the killer had consumed toast for breakfast the morning of the murders. According to statistics, 55% of murders are related to toast consumption. 80% of people who commit violent crimes admit to using toast in the past. Even though 99.9% of toast users claim the addiction is not harming them, toast is clearly a danger to society and must be outlawed
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23855471 - 11/21/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can't even get further then the cannabis part
I had a buddy who took his own life and on the news they still managed to falsely throw in pieces about him being on drugs. Drugs, sex and violence sell folks. They just gotta throw in those little bits about cannabis and shit. Pathetic.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: rider420]
#23855703 - 11/21/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rider420 said:
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thirtygoats said: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/life-sentence-for-drug-user-who-strangled-his-grandmother-and-drowned-his-aunt-35232914.html
Speaking after the case, Whelan's father - who asked not be named, told reporters: "At the end of the day, for me it's the weed that's at the centre of all this.
No sir its the fathers fucked up parenting skills that caused his son to kill people, notice how the father won't even allow his name to be reveled.
Yup no one has ever done anything insane without smoking some weed first eh, You just got to love reefer madness.
BTW its just another example of the parents stupidity mixed with the mental illness of their child, and instead of getting him help they just blamed his attempt to help himself by self medicating as the cause of his problem espousing themselves of any blame. Typical self righteous egotistical morons you know prohibitions.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: L_iggins]
#23856317 - 11/22/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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L_iggins said: Can't even get further then the cannabis part
I had a buddy who took his own life and on the news they still managed to falsely throw in pieces about him being on drugs. Drugs, sex and violence sell folks. They just gotta throw in those little bits about cannabis and shit. Pathetic.
I'm sorry too hear that's not easy at all. I dont think the bud caused this he is a sick mofo murderer or not he has some mental issue's
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rickpsfuckyou
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: mushiefeet]
#23857143 - 11/22/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is an unrelated read about sam the skunkman being a thief, fraud & dea informant and turning his dutch competition into the feds, in order to secure a growers license in holland after he ratted on his fellow growers in california. Long story short he is trying to patent all the strains monsanto style and has been creating killer seed version of patented genetics like monsantos round up ready gmo seeds, but for weed. In the article it says he was discovered as an informer in holland and split to the uk to set up shop, with gw pharmaceuticalsand monsanto, then around this time (uk) started media hyping a dangerous new kind of weed known as skunk, etc. And all the other dumb bullshit we see them print. All speculation but interesting none the less...
http://pastebin.com/raw/rDUaWDYK
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: thirtygoats]
#23859521 - 11/23/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i took two marijuanas one time and raped 2 cats and a monitor lizard.
Gotta watch out for that marijuanas, not as harmless as everyone thinks. Next time someone offers you grass, you pull out your knife immediately and scream "Are you trying to fucking kill me!!??"
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#23859530 - 11/23/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea grass is for mowing in your case brother
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: rider420]
#23876566 - 11/28/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rider420 said:
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thirtygoats said: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/life-sentence-for-drug-user-who-strangled-his-grandmother-and-drowned-his-aunt-35232914.html
Speaking after the case, Whelan's father - who asked not be named, told reporters: "At the end of the day, for me it's the weed that's at the centre of all this.
No sir its the fathers fucked up parenting skills that caused his son to kill people, notice how the father won't even allow his name to be reveled.
Your prolly right IMO, people are taught how to behave - the parents will blame ANYTHING to not have to admit they created, raised and taught their children.
Why were they attacking him over a broken bucket anyway if hes doing their gardening work? I'm not defending the guy but they always make out like everyone else is perfect and innocent.
I've seen family after family like this - theres fuckin millions of them in the UK - all abusing each other - all crammed into tiny over populated boxes, government taxing them into poverty, TV spewing words of hate and terror and glamourising violence but yeah BLAME THE FUCKIN WEED
It wasn't the culture, it was a cabbage that taught him to behave and raised him. I'm sick of people like this TBH, wake the fuck up. As long as parents and the culture keeps blaming cabbages instead of changing their own selves then this type of shit will keep increasing as we are seeing in western society.
These mothers shit out babies in the UK just so they can get a house and some benefits checks then abuse, blame and burden their children with it. Its not really any surprise some can't handle it and just axe people up. The abused go on to abuse.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: nice1returns]
#23876634 - 11/28/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cephalic Carnage.
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Re: Life sentence for drug user who strangled his grandmother, drowned his aunt [Re: vandago]
#23881418 - 11/30/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is no suggestion that your ability to understand the nature of your own conduct was in any way impaired.

But, you do resemble flavor-of-the-month social issue, which is used to justify the judge's employment.
Following changes in policy, drug possession will seem no more relevant than witchburning, zoot suits, or 70's blacksploitation films.
Edited by durian_2008 (11/30/16 12:13 PM)
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