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Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted
    #23854401 - 11/21/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: thirtygoats] * 1
    #23854689 - 11/21/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the uk is so completely full of shit about, herb.


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 1
    #23854726 - 11/21/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Could be three weeks in Ohio and still get an OVI.  Cut off is 15 nanograms a ml.  My probation piss cups were a higher cut off of 50 ng ml.  Not even active metabolites but they consider it influence.  Grandma and grandpa driving on all sorts of pharmiculticals, but no one gives about those.


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23855512 - 11/21/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is why roadside tests shouldn't even factor drugs in. I know it sounds crazy but they need to refine the test in some way.

Here's an example: (yes i know it's WAAAY more complex then this this is a very rough barebone example) If you can't answer all the questions, walk in a straight line, and balance an object on your finger tips your not fit to drive.

So if an elderly person can't meet those criteria, they simply aren't fit to drive. If a person has a few drinks d can, they are still fit to drive. If someone is tripping and they pass they are fit to drive. If they are nodding and can pass they are fit to drive. If all these people can't pass, they are NOT fit to drive. If someone is just to stupid to complete the criteria sober, they are not fit to drive.

If someone hits my car or a relative etc. im not gonna say "GODDAMN ALCOHOL MADE THIS MAN HIT MY CAR" I'm going to say " YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT WHY DID YOU HIT MY CAR?"

This way people will just have to know if they are fit to drive or not. I don't care what drugs you're on, if you're on the road, you should be able to operate the vehicle properly end of story.

This is all easier said then done, but i really think this is how it should work in an ideal society. This would keep drunk people as well as stupid people as well as elderly to old to drive off the road.

As it is now an elderly person can swerve as much as a drunk person, and still be let go without a slap on the wrist. FUCK THAT!


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23856156 - 11/22/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cannabis users who have not taken the drug for a week or more could be prosecuted under proposed new drug-driving legislation, the Transport Minister said today.

At the moment, motorists who use drugs can be prosecuted only if their driving is impaired, but this new legislation would allow gardaí to test a driver's saliva on the side of the road, followed by a blood test.

Speaking to Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1 this morning, Minister Paschal Donohoe said that the new laws will allow gardaí to test for different forms of illicit drugs.

“We have a measure that is referred to as a nitrogram (sic) per millilitre of drug, and that will vary on the kind of drug that is tested,” he said.

“So we’re going to have three different drugs … there will be cannabis, there will be heroin and then there will be cocaine, and there will be a different limit per drug.

“They are laid out in an early schedule of the Bill – for cocaine it’s 10 nanograms per millilitre … for heroin it’s five nanograms per millilitre of blood.”

When it was pointed out that traces of cannabis can stay in the body for a week, the Minister was asked if cannabis users who were “completely sober” at the time of the test could be prosecuted.

“Yes,” he said.

“We have a growing amount of evidence that indicates very clearly that the presence of drugs like that can impair your ability to drive a vehicle safely.

“The Medical Bureau of Road Safety, over a 10-year period, conducted a survey for the presence of drugs in the systems of people who lost their lives on our roads.

“That indicates, that across that 10-year period, just under 10% [9.7%] of people who tragically lost their lives did have drugs in their system, and out of that 10% of people, between 60-70% of them had cannabis in their system.”

He also denied that prosecuting drivers who had not taken cannabis for a week was a case of the Government prosecuting a drug offence rather than a road safety offence.

“No, it’s a road safety offence,” he said.

“What we are now doing is bringing into line our body of law in road law in relation to alcohol to make that completely consistent now with drug testing.

“So where we are in alcohol, is the presence of alcohol in your system, above a certain level, is evidence of the presence of alcohol, therefore of impairing your ability to drive safely.”

When it was put to Minister Donohoe that alcohol “does not stay in the human system for a week and then render you unable to drive”, he responded; “Indeed, and that is why we need a whole new body of law in relation to the use and presence of drugs within your system.

“And that is precisely the reason why, in relation to a particular group of drugs, it’s now the presence of drugs, and that’s why in this Bill, it gives statutory underpinning … for the use of roadside units and devices which would test for the presence of those drugs in your system.”

He went on to outline the procedure that would take place.

“By the side of the road, when you undergo the test, a swab will be used to gain a specimen off you, an oral specimen.

“That will then be tested in a unit, that unit tests positive for the earlier groups that we have talked about, that of itself will be an offence.”

When asked if gardaí required the driver’s consent for a saliva test, he said: “For the saliva [test], they will not, they [the gardaí] will be able to go ahead and do that.”

He said if opiates are found, which can be as a result of prescription drugs, a further “impairment test” will be conducted to determine if the person is intoxicated.

He added that the penalties for failing a drug test “will be in line with where we are now for alcohol testing”, with maximum penalties of a €5,000 fine and/or six months in prison, as well as disqualifications from driving.






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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23857938 - 11/22/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rickpsfuckyou said:
the uk is so completely full of shit about, herb.




You should check out a map sometime there chief.

Police resources here are too stretched to implement this, I've been driving about 10 years and never hit a checkpoint.


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23859061 - 11/22/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
This is why roadside tests shouldn't even factor drugs in. I know it sounds crazy but they need to refine the test in some way.

Here's an example: (yes i know it's WAAAY more complex then this this is a very rough barebone example) If you can't answer all the questions, walk in a straight line, and balance an object on your finger tips your not fit to drive.

So if an elderly person can't meet those criteria, they simply aren't fit to drive. If a person has a few drinks d can, they are still fit to drive. If someone is tripping and they pass they are fit to drive. If they are nodding and can pass they are fit to drive. If all these people can't pass, they are NOT fit to drive. If someone is just to stupid to complete the criteria sober, they are not fit to drive.

If someone hits my car or a relative etc. im not gonna say "GODDAMN ALCOHOL MADE THIS MAN HIT MY CAR" I'm going to say " YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT WHY DID YOU HIT MY CAR?"

This way people will just have to know if they are fit to drive or not. I don't care what drugs you're on, if you're on the road, you should be able to operate the vehicle properly end of story.

This is all easier said then done, but i really think this is how it should work in an ideal society. This would keep drunk people as well as stupid people as well as elderly to old to drive off the road.

:bobmarley:
As it is now an elderly person can swerve as much as a drunk person, and still be let go without a slap on the wrist. FUCK THAT!




Reminds me when I got rearended at a redlight at 1am in the morning. Two cars on the road, im waiting for red turn light to turn green. BAM. I get out of my car, and literally say "WTF, ARE YOU DRUNK????" As a cops pulling up telling me to calm down. Im like officer, I work right accross the road, im on my way to work at 1 in the morning, and this bozo caused 1000$ in damage to my car.

I will always remember "wtf are you drunk????" The damage wasn't really bad at all, the car was a POS beater, and you couldn't really tell the new damage from old damage. I knew what was caused, their insurance cut me a 1000$ check, and i ended up only getting 1200$ for the car.


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: LSDollar]
    #23860544 - 11/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Unless they got in a accident they really should be checking their blood for thc

Most drug test don't test for thc, they test for thc metabolites which is another kick


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: Konyap]
    #23871338 - 11/27/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Every time this comes up I say the same thing.  There is no way to build fair tests that can detect every possible substance a person could be on.  From a medical user of cannabis or opiates to someone on 400 mics of a brand new lysergamide, testing for drug levels is the wrong way to do it.

The right way to do it is to make tests that measure things like eye tracking, coordination, and reaction time.  Maybe a little driving simulator that measures all kinds of different things and looks for patterns in a person's responses, slow reactions, specific eye movements, minute oscillations in steering corrections, stuff like that.

The system could be calibrated based upon thousands of samples of of known sober and known impaired drivers.  It could even be calibrated to know what being tired looks like, vs under the influence. It might even be possible for each person to have personal baseline data collected when they get their liscense.

Would it be a perfect system?  No, but it sure as shit would be better than busting people who got high a week ago, while letting the some maniac on a bunch of RC's off the hook because they could not identify the substances.  The way we do things now is so screwed up that a computer based evaluation would have to be way, way better.


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Re: Completely sober drivers who smoked cannabis in last week could be prosecuted [Re: thirtygoats]
    #23888095 - 12/02/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

These drug tests already exist in NSW. Some friends and I were at a festival some time earlier this year. The police had set up MDT checkpoints on every road headed away from the festival site. We were all smoking weed the day before we drove home. We would be car pooling in 2 cars, I was driving one of them. I told the other driver to grab a can of cola before we left, and to keep it handy in his car in case he got pulled over for a drug test. He did get pulled over, and followed my instruction with the cola. he would simply treat it like mouthwash. He tested negative and was allowed to pass.

I keep a big bottle of sunscreen in my car for work. If the day every comes when I get pulled over for an MDT, Ill just smeer a layer of sunblock over my tongue and the inside of my mouth.



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