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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23870477 - 11/26/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmmm, we are mixing a whole bunch of concepts up and I'm finding it hard to follow. The whole "left-right" political spectrum is far from perfect, but it is something crafted from the opinions of political scientists and it doesn't make much sense to stick things like "eugenics" along it. "The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics" -Wikipedia

Eugenics was, as all sciences are, an international effort with Britain, then the USA, then 30's Germany being the leader. Eugenics != abortion but has manifested itself as: "genetic screening, birth control, promoting differential birth rates, marriage restrictions, segregation (both racial segregation and sequestering the mentally ill), compulsory sterilization, forced abortions or forced pregnancies, culminating in genocide."


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
    #23870573 - 11/26/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Hmmmm, we are mixing a whole bunch of concepts up and I'm finding it hard to follow. The whole "left-right" political spectrum is far from perfect, but it is something crafted from the opinions of political scientists and it doesn't make much sense to stick things like "eugenics" along it. "The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics" -Wikipedia





Well there you have it, the majority of left wing scholars from a left wing website associate nazis with republicans, I guess it must be true then :lol:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23870720 - 11/26/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wikipedia is left wing? First I've heard that one. But I believe you have a misconception of what Wikipedia is, at the very least.

And this only illustrates the uselessness of arguing over what left, right, up or down is on the political spectrum. These things are tools for communication between people working in the policy end of the social sciences. They only have any use if we can agree that things like "the broad consensus of political scientists" or "the academic-peer review process" are relevant. These aren't objective facts handed down by Comrade Marx.

Stop trying to fit the world into your black/white left/right us/them dichotomy. It doesn't work that way.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
    #23870764 - 11/26/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Wikipedia is left wing? First I've heard that one.




I'm not surprised, most libs have no idea how brainwashed they actully are

https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/study-wikipedia-perpetuates-political-bias/2012/06/18/gJQAaA3llV_blog.html


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Stop trying to fit the world into your black/white left/right us/them dichotomy. It doesn't work that way.




When you fail to define things, you lose perspective

***not everything is "fluid"


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23870791 - 11/26/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not everything is fluid, but most things are to some degree or another.
Definitions are great, but narrowing your vision will make you lose perspective as much as broadening it.  Better to take the time to envision the issue both ways, and deliberate from there IMO.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23870796 - 11/26/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just noticed I've made it into your sig:awesomenod:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23870806 - 11/26/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

it is supposed to be ironic


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23870817 - 11/26/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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it is supposed to be ironic





You misspelled ICONIC :rofl:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23870888 - 11/27/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

we'll see.  I put it in my sig in hopes of shaming you into fulfilling your glowing description of yourself.  time will tell.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #23871140 - 11/27/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Now, can you please allow the adults in the room to have reasonable conversation?




An adult would be adult enough to not say something like that.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 4
    #23871794 - 11/27/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Now, can you please allow the adults in the room to have reasonable conversation?




An adult would be adult enough to not say something like that.




Or that.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23871817 - 11/27/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not surprised, most libs have no idea how brainwashed they actully are




there ya go again. i'm telling you. when you say it, you're not just referring to liberals, you're nearly always insulting them. do what do...take both sides, and criticise both. or just keep doing what you're doing, i won't ignore you, it's too much fun.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23871828 - 11/27/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not looking anything up in the Bible, the current right vs left debate literally has nothing to do with religion. Some religions vote majority left, others majority right.

It only makes sense to kill your unborn children if you think killing children is ok




that's stupid. a fetus isn't a child. if it's before it's a fully developed nervous system, it has no pain receptors, no life, no reward, it's flesh and nothing more.

aborting a BABY has terrible moral implications, and you maybe should check out my post here where i discuss that. just search it, if you want. i make the argument that certainly someone going around having so many babies that keep on getting killed, essentially, has terrible moral implications, i think, on a scale that isn't immediately noticeable on the psyche, possibly.

that's just my opinion. but it's also a fact that by aborting a fetus, you are not killing a child. and if one has this child illegitimately then one should consider the facts...you should imagine, considering your dislike of any sort of welfare in your society, for the disadvantaged, that this women, without an abortion, would be left to deal with a burden she might not be able to bear, and thus the child simply suffers and you have more welfare recipients to take of. :shrug:

there, no religion involved.

what about Zika children?


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23871893 - 11/27/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not literally. it's in the bible that one who has an illegitimate child can go to the priest to be given "bitter water". look it up.





I don't remember this, but i imagine it must be in Leviticus, if anywhere.  Now i have to go read through pages and pages of laws about when and how bad god says you can beat your (hebrew)slaves(apparently god gives no fucks about what one does to a gentile), and what and how much of your food/wealth god says you have to give to the priests.

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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23871908 - 11/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that's stupid. a fetus isn't a child. if it's before it's a fully developed nervous system, it has no pain receptors, no life, no reward, it's flesh and nothing more.

aborting a BABY has terrible moral implications,




This is an issue of semantics that can't be solved with science or politics or religion or anything it seems (and also really far off topic).
fetus [fe´tus] (L.)
the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, which in humans is from the third month after fertilization until birth. See also embryo. The Free Dictionary

A fetus is a fetus until it is born. Depending on where it is along it does indeed receive sensory input including pain, and it is just as alive as your dog or your big toe is. The question is how its "right" (if it has any at all) to live within a woman's uterus compares to the woman's right to sovereignty over her own body.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23871909 - 11/27/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i'm already there.



PS: yeah, out of all the Torah, the most interesting parts, in my opinion, were actually Leviticus. Numbers literally just starts repeating what was already in Exodus and it get's repetitive. perhaps this is purposefully done, not just for memorisation, but maybe for another reason? all i know is i started falling asleep, as it were, with Numbers. Genesis and Leviticus is actually good. Exodus is boring as fuck, maybe cause i already knew it, because it's like what's lifted from the Torah most of the time in movies and games and stuff. i watched The Prince of Egypt before (once on mushrooms, it was fun) i know it too well, i guess.

and then Deuteronomy, again, just repeating itself. i wonder why.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23871917 - 11/27/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Or that.




Unless they'd like to see a positive change for what used to be an enjoyable way to spend some time.

Besides, I imagine he can stick up for himself.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
    #23871929 - 11/27/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
that's stupid. a fetus isn't a child. if it's before it's a fully developed nervous system, it has no pain receptors, no life, no reward, it's flesh and nothing more.

aborting a BABY has terrible moral implications,




This is an issue of semantics that can't be solved with science or politics or religion or anything it seems (and also really far off topic).
fetus [fe´tus] (L.)
the developing young in the uterus, specifically the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, which in humans is from the third month after fertilization until birth. See also embryo. The Free Dictionary

A fetus is a fetus until it is born. Depending on where it is along it does indeed receive sensory input including pain, and it is just as alive as your dog or your big toe is. The question is how its "right" (if it has any at all) to live within a woman's uterus compares to the woman's right to sovereignty over her own body.




you won't be getting anywhere with the electoral college debate.

representative republic.

i doubt anyone is gonna change their minds on that, and i'm sure the sum few people whom might believe this, already believe it, and are trying futile to convince people to get rid of the electoral college.

and i make this prediction, because i predict nothing will change the way this system works until alot more than Donald Trump getting elected happens. i'll be much more interested to talk of that, then.

fetus's are important to the left vs right debate that's going to be happening invariably for the rest of this entire year, at least.

and i agree with you on the abortion.

though, clearly it's immoral to abort, from a ethical standpoint. people have a point in saying it's immoral. christians are especially tough on this.

but the consequences must be made in a free country, where the consequences of one individual can effect things in such a way as to be unforeseen and random.



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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23871936 - 11/27/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, genesis through leviticus is a good read, but numbers is literally what it sounds like...a census/accounting.
I especially like the part in exodus where moses asks god to come along for the ride, and god laughs at him and is all like "no, you guys are annoying as fuck, I would for sure kill you all before we got there."


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23871946 - 11/27/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh yeah, you can't fuck with the Yah because he's a storm God and will just fuck you up, and be like "oops, poor birdie".





i still wanna see the Ark, that thing sounds bad ass.



it's like ancient cosmic horror. LOL


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