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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
    #23858822 - 11/22/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How would it be caught. No way here to catch it. I even told them to remove her off the roll, didn't do it. You don't think there are people who would vote more than once . :muahaha:
People commit felonies every day, there may even be some on this forum.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Quadman]
    #23858961 - 11/22/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)





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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Quadman]
    #23859747 - 11/23/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How would it be caught. No way here to catch it. I even told them to remove her off the roll, didn't do it. You don't think there are people who would vote more than once . :muahaha:
People commit felonies every day, there may even be some on this forum.





The same way it was caught when Trump supporters were voting twice a few weeks ago.


Also: just bc there might be people on the shroomery committing felonies doesn't mean all felonies are happening all the time. You need to take a class on logic.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23859870 - 11/23/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't doubt it. There were no "malfunctioning" voter machines that favored Trump though.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23859888 - 11/23/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, well as long as his extra votes were MANUALLY fraudulent, we're good.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23859909 - 11/23/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23859922 - 11/23/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I clearly wasn't implying that's something only people who voted for Trump were doing. It's hilarious you think all those votes for her were legit though. Did you watch the videos I posted above?


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23859939 - 11/23/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dont waste my time with videos.


If you have evidence of voter fraud lets see it. And by it i mean evidence, not some shittily edited youtube video.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23859950 - 11/23/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol. They're worth the watch. They aren't just the opinion of some YouTuber. Go ahead.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #23859951 - 11/23/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23859968 - 11/23/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eminence said: They're worth the watch.




Disagree


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #23859969 - 11/23/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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EC is a relic of slavery (James Madison... 3/5 compromise... state of Virginia came out big winner for disproportional political power relative to population... 4 of first 5 presidents and 8 of first 9 administrations were slave owners from Virginia... but after a generation population growth too disproportionate in North and so EC no longer served the role of protecting slavery (and state of Virginia no longer dominated presidential politics)... so 2 Senators per state then ended up being feature of federal government that protected slavery up until the Civil War... one "slave state" and one "free state" admitted to Union together... 'Bleeding Kansas" of 1850s over which one it would be), and since 1990 the demographics are such that for when discrepancy happens it will much more likely be Dems winning popular vote and GOP the EC and thus president.

Voter fraud, while common sense measures should be taken to prevent it, is very rare for logical reason of on a statewide election you would need to do a large operation to ensure the desired effect, which would require a level of secrecy among dozens if not hundreds of persons that is impractical and thus should be filed under "conspiracy theory"... and the small number of cases that do exist are usually pretty aggressively prosecuted. Be pretty dumb to, say, add 10,000 D votes in  a state like Pennsylvania when it's unlikely to be enough to matter, and you're taking a big risk. All that effort into fraud would be much better spent targeting better turnout among the >40% of people who don't vote.




Bloody well said :thumbup:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #23860040 - 11/23/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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EC is a relic of slavery (James Madison... 3/5 compromise... state of Virginia came out big winner for disproportional political power relative to population... 4 of first 5 presidents and 8 of first 9 administrations were slave owners from Virginia... but after a generation population growth too disproportionate in North and so EC no longer served the role of protecting slavery (and state of Virginia no longer dominated presidential politics)... so 2 Senators per state then ended up being feature of federal government that protected slavery up until the Civil War... one "slave state" and one "free state" admitted to Union together... 'Bleeding Kansas" of 1850s over which one it would be), and since 1990 the demographics are such that for when discrepancy happens it will much more likely be Dems winning popular vote and GOP the EC and thus president.

Voter fraud, while common sense measures should be taken to prevent it, is very rare for logical reason of on a statewide election you would need to do a large operation to ensure the desired effect, which would require a level of secrecy among dozens if not hundreds of persons that is impractical and thus should be filed under "conspiracy theory"... and the small number of cases that do exist are usually pretty aggressively prosecuted. Be pretty dumb to, say, add 10,000 D votes in  a state like Pennsylvania when it's unlikely to be enough to matter, and you're taking a big risk. All that effort into fraud would be much better spent targeting better turnout among the >40% of people who don't vote.




Yes, indeed, nice post.  Also, the EC was in place in lieu of any sort of popular vote -- the state legislatures appointed electors who cast the votes themselves.  The popular vote actually had nothing to do with election outcomes until the 1820s, and then only a few states used it to determine the vote cast by the electors.  A bit of an anachronism, to say the least.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23860064 - 11/23/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thes videos are kinda old but they sum it up pretty well




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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23860091 - 11/23/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eminence said: They're worth the watch.




Disagree




Of course you'd say that :lol:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #23860400 - 11/23/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You are assuming that nobody would have caught that she had voted twice. I don't know how far she moved away, but driving to hit both polls would probably be inconvenient considering it is only to earn her 1 additional vote. Finally, that shit is a felony offence



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EC is a relic of slavery (James Madison... 3/5 compromise... state of Virginia came out big winner for disproportional political power relative to population... 4 of first 5 presidents and 8 of first 9 administrations were slave owners from Virginia... but after a generation population growth too disproportionate in North and so EC no longer served the role of protecting slavery (and state of Virginia no longer dominated presidential politics)... so 2 Senators per state then ended up being feature of federal government that protected slavery up until the Civil War... one "slave state" and one "free state" admitted to Union together... 'Bleeding Kansas" of 1850s over which one it would be), and since 1990 the demographics are such that for when discrepancy happens it will much more likely be Dems winning popular vote and GOP the EC and thus president.

Voter fraud, while common sense measures should be taken to prevent it, is very rare for logical reason of on a statewide election you would need to do a large operation to ensure the desired effect, which would require a level of secrecy among dozens if not hundreds of persons that is impractical and thus should be filed under "conspiracy theory"... and the small number of cases that do exist are usually pretty aggressively prosecuted. Be pretty dumb to, say, add 10,000 D votes in  a state like Pennsylvania when it's unlikely to be enough to matter, and you're taking a big risk. All that effort into fraud would be much better spent targeting better turnout among the >40% of people who don't vote.




Interesting. I should look into the history of these things more. It is interesting. The history of the Republican party is interesting in the context of its role in American politics today, at least in my view. Once upon a time I would have likely been a Republican.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23860410 - 11/23/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I dont waste my time with videos.



Lol. They're worth the watch. They aren't just the opinion of some YouTuber. Go ahead.



Waste of time.  That video only shows a broken touch screen.

Do you seriously think a rigged voting machine would make it obvious to the voter that their vote won't be counted?  Of course not, the person who used that machine would clearly complain and they'd send him to another machine.  :shake:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23860414 - 11/23/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got a letter in the mail saying my vote wasn't counted, because my signature didn't match my registration signature. So now I have to go down there and verify it, which I am happy to do, and I have til the end of the month.

Where I live, we are mailed out ballots, and either mail them in or drop them off. We are also mailed an informational packet on all of the ballot measures, with summarizations, and legalese versions. They include pictures of all candidates running for all offices, and descriptions of the candidate and their employment/educational history.

I really dig the way they do this here. It should be done like this everywhere. You have like two weeks to review everything and carefully place your vote. When I lived in MI, I didn't even know much about a lot of the people I was supposed to vote for, so I withheld my vote for a lot of things.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23860420 - 11/23/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I dont waste my time with videos.



Lol. They're worth the watch. They aren't just the opinion of some YouTuber. Go ahead.



Waste of time.  That video only shows a broken touch screen.

Do you seriously think a rigged voting machine would make it obvious to the voter that their vote won't be counted?  Of course not, the person who used that machine would clearly complain and they'd send him to another machine.  :shake:




I think there is going to be a lot of conspiracy theory hyperbole, both now, and for future elections, that will eventually render all legitimate concerns/complaints useless.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23860474 - 11/23/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think there is going to be a lot of conspiracy theory hyperbole, both now, and for future elections, that will eventually render all legitimate concerns/complaints useless.




Just like the word 'racist'.


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