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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: finalexplosion] * 1
    #23895139 - 12/04/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You kind of are revealing you couldn't know much about what the Intelligence Quotient is. We are skipping the discussion as to what value IQ scores provides. It is, after all, much like a standardized test and intelligence is so much broader than whatever is measured (inexactly and imperfectly) by the IQ test.

There haven't been many studies on human incest: they've shown to have higher mortality rates and a small but significant reduction in fertility, but literature on the effects of inbreeding depression on IQ is hard to come by.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: finalexplosion] * 2
    #23895813 - 12/05/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I want to respond to this post, though there appear have already been many responses.

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The central question of IQ-crime studies is whether individuals with less intelligence, on average, commit more crime than those with more intelligence. That is, are IQ and crime negatively correlated? The best answer, drawn from previous research, is a qualified "yes." Delinquents and criminals average IQ scores 8 to 10 points lower than noncriminals, which is about one-half a standard deviation. IQ and criminal behavior are negatively correlated at about r = -.20 (Hirschi and Hindelang; Wilson and Herrnstein).

http://www.encyclopedia.com/law/legal-and-political-magazines/intelligence-and-crime




I will have to look into this one further, but I think it depends on what kind of crime you are talking about. White collar crime is likely to be engaged in by people with a high level of intelligence, for instance. Keep in mind that the data is very likely skewed by the fact that less intelligent folks are far more likely to get caught. There are plenty of geniuses who engage in criminal activity for a living. Some of them were born into it to begin with. I would like to look into this further at some point.

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This is not ground breaking news guys. This is quite common but, in a culture that is quick to cry foul and victimhood, it is just not commonly discussed.




I could easily get behind a claim that suggested less intelligent people have a higher propensity for violence, and engage in violent crime more frequently. I don't see why anyone would 'cry foul' or 'victimhood'..?

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Even based upon race, there is on average standard differences from IQ, height, athletics, socio-economic status among a variety of other areas though still, very individual. I am not going to get into anything that can be deemed race baiting or racist. I will make this very short. Places of higher IQ tend to have better stability amongst the nuclear family and less children out of wedlock like the places of lower IQ. Lets take this further.




Well, let's just take a look at this claim for a moment. I will not call you a 'race-baiter', though I don't know how race found its way into this discussion. Just one little observation I have about your statement... If you divide any population up, by any criteria, you will find statistical variance between the groups. Let's say you divide all of the people in New York up by eye color. Now lets say you have a pissing contest between all of the different groups. You are quite likely to find a statistically significant variance in the distance that each group is capable of projecting their urine from the average. Is it due to their eye color? No. Correlation does not equal causation.

As far as your claim about 'places with higher IQ' having this or that, I still haven't seen any evidence of this. Is this just your conclusion, or has it been studied? What other factors might be at play, aside from IQ?

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In areas of the world where cousin marriages, incest and inbreeding is common practice, there very low IQ. Not shocking, these places are very dangerous, and typically terrorist ridden areas. You can search links yourself based upon this stuff. Its very fascinating. One link showed a difference as high as 19 point deviation lower then in places where incest/cousin marriages/inbreeding do not exist. Pretty sure you can search reddit and find that shit. I am not linking here.

Disclaimer: When making blanket statements with respect to race, it is racist. When you provided reason, logic, and evidence, this facts. Biologist and scientists do this stuff all the time through experiments. Lets forget race. Lets stick to IQ. Certain people again with lower IQ will scream sexist, racist, and are truly against free speech because they are incapable of intelligent conversation. Language policing, PC, false accusations, etc. are classic examples.

Its all very fascinating stuff. Check it out if your interested. There are podcasts on this stuff and its really long, lengthy, and very informative if your into it. It was first brought to my attention through a podcast.




When I first started reading your posts, I thought I was talking to another rank-and-file Limbaughite, like HU, but it appears you do care to make a rational case for your statements, so that is always appreciated. I hadn't considered the impact of incestual relations, resulting of regional cultural norms, as a catalyst for negative trends in intellectual capacity in that region. That makes sense, and I believe there is a large body of evidence supporting the notion that inbreeding leads mental illness and intellectual deficits, so there's no need to cite someone else for that one. I thought you were talking about areas within the US having lower or higher IQ, and I'm not aware of any way to demonstrate that, unless studies have been done, or the particular area is generally understood to engage in incest frequently, or something of that nature.

Now that I think of it, incest may lead to lower IQ, but it also leads to increased incidence of mental illness. Therefore, if you're going to use culturally sanctioned incestual relations as your evidence of low IQ in a given region, it still will not be representative of all low-IQ populations or 'areas', as you would have to adjust for the effect of a higher frequency of mental illness in inbred, low IQ individuals, on criminality.

Do you have any evidence that demonstrably 'low IQ areas' (as in, IQ tests have been performed on everyone in the region), that are not the product of an increased incidence of incestual behavior (as the comorbid mental illness would corrupt the data), have a higher propensity for violence?

I think your case could much more easily be made if you took out the word 'areas', and stuck to 'low IQ people'. It's much easier to prove that a person has a low IQ, and a high propensity for violence, than to prove an area, on average has a low IQ and high propensity for violence. The amount of variables increases quite rapidly as the designated population scales up.

I might add... I think you put a lot more stock in IQ than is appropriate. Most people with high IQ scores don't even hold them in very high regard.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23896699 - 12/05/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I want to respond to this post, though there appear have already been many responses.

I will have to look into this one further, but I think it depends on what kind of crime you are talking about. White collar crime is likely to be engaged in by people with a high level of intelligence, for instance. Keep in mind that the data is very likely skewed by the fact that less intelligent folks are far more likely to get caught. There are plenty of geniuses who engage in criminal activity for a living. Some of them were born into it to begin with. I would like to look into this further at some point.




Checkout FDR and Stefan Molyneux. Checkout a variety of alternative media. Lauren Southern/Rebel media. Tons of really fascinating things out there. The science is unreal.

Again, it goes back to IQ. Laws broken = broken law

Not saying higher IQ do not. I am saying, less crime in places of higher IQ. In higher IQ communities, you see advances in technology, innovation, and creativity.

Lower IQ communities tend to blame the police or cry victim.

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I could easily get behind a claim that suggested less intelligent people have a higher propensity for violence, and engage in violent crime more frequently. I don't see why anyone would 'cry foul' or 'victimhood'..?




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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
    #23896705 - 12/05/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You kind of are revealing you couldn't know much about what the Intelligence Quotient is. We are skipping the discussion as to what value IQ scores provides. It is, after all, much like a standardized test and intelligence is so much broader than whatever is measured (inexactly and imperfectly) by the IQ test.

There haven't been many studies on human incest: they've shown to have higher mortality rates and a small but significant reduction in fertility, but literature on the effects of inbreeding depression on IQ is hard to come by.




Same topic. Different discussion.

We know the unhealthy fallout for incest and cousin marriages which is unacceptable in our culture and acceptable in others. lol

I have pointed to a simple fact; less crime in higher IQ communities. That's it.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23896719 - 12/05/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Crumist said:
You kind of are revealing you couldn't know much about what the Intelligence Quotient is. We are skipping the discussion as to what value IQ scores provides. It is, after all, much like a standardized test and intelligence is so much broader than whatever is measured (inexactly and imperfectly) by the IQ test.

There haven't been many studies on human incest: they've shown to have higher mortality rates and a small but significant reduction in fertility, but literature on the effects of inbreeding depression on IQ is hard to come by.




Same topic. Different discussion.

We know the unhealthy fallout for incest and cousin marriages which is unacceptable in our culture and acceptable in others. lol

I have pointed to a simple fact; less crime in higher IQ communities. That's it.




Oh, it's a simple fact?  Then it shouldn't be hard for you to name a single "higher IQ" community.

Also, maybe you could tell us more about these cultures where incest is considered acceptable


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23896776 - 12/05/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

just for shits and giggles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
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In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living humans, i.e., the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers, and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman. Mitochondrial Eve lived later than Homo heidelbergensis and the emergence of Homo neanderthalensis, but earlier than the out of Africa migration,[2] but her age is not known with certainty; a 2009 estimate cites an age between c. 152 and 234 thousand years ago (95% CI);[3] a 2013 study cites a range of 99–148 thousand years ago.[4]
Because all mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) generally (but see paternal mtDNA transmission) is passed from mother to offspring without recombination, all mtDNA in every living person is directly descended from hers by definition, differing only by the mutations that over generations have occurred in the germ cell mtDNA since the conception of the original "Mitochondrial Eve".




http://genome.cshlp.org/content/early/2015/03/13/gr.186684.114
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It is commonly thought that human genetic diversity in non-African populations was shaped primarily by an out-of-Africa dispersal 50–100 thousand yr ago (kya). Here, we present a study of 456 geographically diverse high-coverage Y chromosome sequences, including 299 newly reported samples. Applying ancient DNA calibration, we date the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) in Africa at 254 (95% CI 192–307) kya and detect a cluster of major non-African founder haplogroups in a narrow time interval at 47–52 kya, consistent with a rapid initial colonization model of Eurasia and Oceania after the out-of-Africa bottleneck. In contrast to demographic reconstructions based on mtDNA, we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males.




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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: finalexplosion] * 1
    #23896955 - 12/05/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
I want to respond to this post, though there appear have already been many responses.

I will have to look into this one further, but I think it depends on what kind of crime you are talking about. White collar crime is likely to be engaged in by people with a high level of intelligence, for instance. Keep in mind that the data is very likely skewed by the fact that less intelligent folks are far more likely to get caught. There are plenty of geniuses who engage in criminal activity for a living. Some of them were born into it to begin with. I would like to look into this further at some point.




Checkout FDR and Stefan Molyneux. Checkout a variety of alternative media. Lauren Southern/Rebel media. Tons of really fascinating things out there. The science is unreal.




FDR? Franklin D. Roosevelt? Honestly, Molyneux is an extremist fringe internet cult leader. I have watched some of his stuff. He's a true believer... in his own bullshit. "If your friend thinks it's ok for the government to tax you, then he also thinks it's ok for them to murder you", right? "You shouldn't associate with people who want you murdered (ie. Non-libertarians).

Look, I won't tell you to go watch TYT for "factual" analysis of the world, so don't tell me to go watch Jim Jones recordings and drink your poison koolaid.

I would be interested in the (unbiased and unadulterated) science behind the claim that low IQ people are more criminally inclined.

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Again, it goes back to IQ. Laws broken = broken law

Not saying higher IQ do not. I am saying, less crime in places of higher IQ. In higher IQ communities, you see advances in technology, innovation, and creativity.




What is a higher IQ community? Give me an example of a high IQ community, and show me how they have been determined to have high IQ ratings.

"In higher IQ communities, you see advances in tech, innovation, and creativity" - Then I guess these communities must be concentrate in Northern urban hubs :wink:

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Lower IQ communities tend to blame the police or cry victim.




I feel like you are superimposing all of your negative characterizations of liberals onto 'low IQ people'. Police, in America, have gotten totally and completely Stop correcting "outof" line. Driving tanks through city streets? They act like Saginaw, Michigan is a fucking war zone. Stop and frisk is an infringement on citizens rights.

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I could easily get behind a claim that suggested less intelligent people have a higher propensity for violence, and engage in violent crime more frequently. I don't see why anyone would 'cry foul' or 'victimhood'..?




Cheers brah




I think you missed the meat of my post.

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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23896970 - 12/05/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh, it's a simple fact?  Then it shouldn't be hard for you to name a single "higher IQ" community.

Also, maybe you could tell us more about these cultures where incest is considered acceptable




That is exactly what I would like to see.

Name one single 'Higher IQ community'. I doubt you will be able to, but maybe we could hazard a guess at silicon valley. We couldn't conclusively say they have higher IQ's than the average though.



I think I ought to correct myself also. I don't believe there is a large body of evidence to suggest that inbreeding leads to lower IQ or increased incidence of mental disorder. I started looking into it, and it appears those notions have been dispelled.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23897178 - 12/05/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males.




I thought that this hypothesis was interesting. The time period (10 kya) especially.  Reminds me of biblical accounts of the various patriarchs (Noah and his descendants).


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23897243 - 12/05/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Here's some more info on IQ shit if you feel like knowing anything about what you are talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)
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The g factor (also known as general intelligence, general mental ability or general intelligence factor) is a construct developed in psychometric investigations of cognitive abilities and human intelligence. It is a variable that summarizes positive correlations among different cognitive tasks, reflecting the fact that an individual's performance on one type of cognitive task tends to be comparable to that person's performance on other kinds of cognitive tasks. The g factor typically accounts for 40 to 50 percent of the between-individual performance differences on a given cognitive test, and composite scores ("IQ scores") based on many tests are frequently regarded as estimates of individuals' standing on the g factor.[1] The terms IQ, general intelligence, general cognitive ability, general mental ability, or simply intelligence are often used interchangeably to refer to this common core shared by cognitive tests.[2]
The existence of the g factor was originally proposed by the English psychologist Charles Spearman in the early years of the 20th century. He observed that children's performance ratings, across seemingly unrelated school subjects, were positively correlated, and reasoned that these correlations reflected the influence of an underlying general mental ability that entered into performance on all kinds of mental tests. Spearman suggested that all mental performance could be conceptualized in terms of a single general ability factor, which he labeled g, and a large number of narrow task-specific ability factors. Today's factor models of intelligence typically represent cognitive abilities as a three-level hierarchy, where there are a large number of narrow factors at the bottom of the hierarchy, a handful of broad, more general factors at the intermediate level, and at the apex a single factor, referred to as the g factor, which represents the variance common to all cognitive tasks

The form of the population distribution of g is unknown, because g cannot be measured on a ratio scale. (The distributions of scores on typical IQ tests are roughly normal, but this is achieved by construction, i.e., by normalizing the raw scores.) It has been argued that there are nevertheless good reasons for supposing that g is normally distributed in the general population, at least within a range of ±2 standard deviations from the mean. In particular, g can be thought of as a composite variable that reflects the additive effects of a large number of independent genetic and environmental influences, and such a variable should, according to the central limit theorem, follow a normal distribution.[50]





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
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The Flynn effect is the substantial and long-sustained increase in both fluid and crystallized intelligence test scores measured in many parts of the world from roughly 1930 to the present day. When intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are initially standardized using a sample of test-takers, by convention the average of the test results is set to 100 and their standard deviation is set to 15 or 16 IQ points. When IQ tests are revised, they are again standardized using a new sample of test-takers, usually born more recently than the first. Again, the average result is set to 100. However, when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above 100.
Test score increases have been continuous and approximately linear from the earliest years of testing to the present. For the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, subjects born over a 100-year period were compared in Des Moines, United States, and separately in Dumfries, Scotland. Improvements were remarkably consistent across the whole period, in both countries.[1] This effect of an apparent increase in IQ has also been observed in various other parts of the world, though the rates of increase vary.[2]
There are numerous proposed explanations of the Flynn effect, as well as some skepticism about its implications. Similar improvements have been reported for other cognitions such as semantic and episodic memory.[3] Recent research suggests that the Flynn effect may have ended in at least a few developed nations, possibly allowing national differences in IQ scores[4] to determine if the Flynn effect continues in nations with lower average national IQs.




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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23897249 - 12/05/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males.




I thought that this hypothesis was interesting. The time period (10 kya) especially.  Reminds me of biblical accounts of the various patriarchs (Noah and his descendants).




Are they trying to say that all descendants of non-African populations are the result of inbreeding?


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23897301 - 12/05/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I remember reading that the trend (Flynn Effect) had begun turning around, and supposedly would continue to do so. I think there is a lot of nonsense thrown around about IQ's and IQ tests. This thread is a prime example. I'm not used to talking about people's IQ's as if it is some concrete indicator of higher intelligence, or any other attribute, for that matter.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23897310 - 12/05/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males.




I thought that this hypothesis was interesting. The time period (10 kya) especially.  Reminds me of biblical accounts of the various patriarchs (Noah and his descendants).




Are they trying to say that all descendants of non-African populations are the result of inbreeding?




sort of.  They are hypothesizing that cultural changes 10k years ago (like agriculture, organized religion, and economic specialization), allowed some males to breed much more successfully than the majority, which resulted in their patriarchal lines gaining dominance and eventually outlasting those of their contemporaries.  Before that, 50k years ago, the migration out of africa resulted in new non-african populations forming from relatively small gene pools.  Some patriarchal lines were more genetically suitable for this non african environment which led to their patriarchal lines outlasting their contemporaries'.  Its a sort of roundabout inbreeding.  Either way, both the paternal and maternal most recent common ancestors supposedly lived between 300k to 100k years ago(though not necessarily at the same time).  Literally everybody currently alive is related through these 2 people.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23897325 - 12/05/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I remember reading that the trend (Flynn Effect) had begun turning around, and supposedly would continue to do so.




its slowing down or stopped in developed countries, but may still be going in less developed countries i think.

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I think there is a lot of nonsense thrown around about IQ's and IQ tests. This thread is a prime example. I'm not used to talking about people's IQ's as if it is some concrete indicator of higher intelligence, or any other attribute, for that matter.




exactly.  its just a constructed metric, like many others, whose usefulness is unclear at best.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23897411 - 12/05/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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we infer a second strong bottleneck in Y-chromosome lineages dating to the last 10 ky. We hypothesize that this bottleneck is caused by cultural changes affecting variance of reproductive success among males.




I thought that this hypothesis was interesting. The time period (10 kya) especially.  Reminds me of biblical accounts of the various patriarchs (Noah and his descendants).




Are they trying to say that all descendants of non-African populations are the result of inbreeding?




sort of.  They are hypothesizing that cultural changes 10k years ago (like agriculture, organized religion, and economic specialization), allowed some males to breed much more successfully than the majority, which resulted in their patriarchal lines gaining dominance and eventually outlasting those of their contemporaries.  Before that, 50k years ago, the migration out of africa resulted in new non-african populations forming from relatively small gene pools.  Some patriarchal lines were more genetically suitable for this non african environment which led to their patriarchal lines outlasting their contemporaries'.  Its a sort of roundabout inbreeding.  Either way, both the paternal and maternal most recent common ancestors supposedly lived between 300k to 100k years ago(though not necessarily at the same time).  Literally everybody currently alive is related through these 2 people.




Adam and Eve? Are you sure about that? I would think that as they evolved into humans, more than two of them would have reached that stage at that time.


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    #23897417 - 12/05/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I remember reading that the trend (Flynn Effect) had begun turning around, and supposedly would continue to do so.




its slowing down or stopped in developed countries, but may still be going in less developed countries i think.

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I think there is a lot of nonsense thrown around about IQ's and IQ tests. This thread is a prime example. I'm not used to talking about people's IQ's as if it is some concrete indicator of higher intelligence, or any other attribute, for that matter.




exactly.  its just a constructed metric, like many others, whose usefulness is unclear at best.




I think it's a general guideline. If you score high on an IQ test, you are quite likely a reasonably intelligent person. If you score low, that doesn't necessarily mean you are not an intelligent person, but rather lacking in the specific areas that are tested for in the IQ test.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23897727 - 12/05/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Are they trying to say that all descendants of non-African populations are the result of inbreeding?




sort of.  They are hypothesizing that cultural changes 10k years ago (like agriculture, organized religion, and economic specialization), allowed some males to breed much more successfully than the majority, which resulted in their patriarchal lines gaining dominance and eventually outlasting those of their contemporaries.  Before that, 50k years ago, the migration out of africa resulted in new non-african populations forming from relatively small gene pools.  Some patriarchal lines were more genetically suitable for this non african environment which led to their patriarchal lines outlasting their contemporaries'.  Its a sort of roundabout inbreeding.  Either way, both the paternal and maternal most recent common ancestors supposedly lived between 300k to 100k years ago(though not necessarily at the same time).  Literally everybody currently alive is related through these 2 people.




Adam and Eve? Are you sure about that? I would think that as they evolved into humans, more than two of them would have reached that stage at that time.




not a literal adam and eve in the biblical sense.  There were other people, their lineages just died out is all.  The paternal and maternal MRCAs may not have even existed at the same time.  In addition, its important to note that the MRCAs can change as time progresses.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23897740 - 12/05/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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ballsalsa said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I remember reading that the trend (Flynn Effect) had begun turning around, and supposedly would continue to do so.




its slowing down or stopped in developed countries, but may still be going in less developed countries i think.

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I think there is a lot of nonsense thrown around about IQ's and IQ tests. This thread is a prime example. I'm not used to talking about people's IQ's as if it is some concrete indicator of higher intelligence, or any other attribute, for that matter.




exactly.  its just a constructed metric, like many others, whose usefulness is unclear at best.




I think it's a general guideline. If you score high on an IQ test, you are quite likely a reasonably intelligent person. If you score low, that doesn't necessarily mean you are not an intelligent person, but rather lacking in the specific areas that are tested for in the IQ test.




I think that is a good way to look at it.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23897770 - 12/05/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Are they trying to say that all descendants of non-African populations are the result of inbreeding?




sort of.  They are hypothesizing that cultural changes 10k years ago (like agriculture, organized religion, and economic specialization), allowed some males to breed much more successfully than the majority, which resulted in their patriarchal lines gaining dominance and eventually outlasting those of their contemporaries.  Before that, 50k years ago, the migration out of africa resulted in new non-african populations forming from relatively small gene pools.  Some patriarchal lines were more genetically suitable for this non african environment which led to their patriarchal lines outlasting their contemporaries'.  Its a sort of roundabout inbreeding.  Either way, both the paternal and maternal most recent common ancestors supposedly lived between 300k to 100k years ago(though not necessarily at the same time).  Literally everybody currently alive is related through these 2 people.




Adam and Eve? Are you sure about that? I would think that as they evolved into humans, more than two of them would have reached that stage at that time.




not a literal adam and eve in the biblical sense.  There were other people, their lineages just died out is all.  The paternal and maternal MRCAs may not have even existed at the same time.  In addition, its important to note that the MRCAs can change as time progresses.




I was joking when I said Adam and Eve :wink:... What is MRCA? Is that like Mitochondrial DNA? Isn't that only passed on by he mother?


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