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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman]
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you're looking at the bottom of the barrel abuse and manipulation of people and the system. not the overarching evidence of when it helps non-abusive people. everything is in constant need of reform, because humans are imperfect.
i still think we need a free market system them, but...then when problems arise they need to be adressed; you address them with law. unfortunately that's all people can do.
you'll still see people "diversifying" without child-support -- they're gaming the system, but it's because they are shitty people. not because the system is "unfair".
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: you're looking at the bottom of the barrel abuse and manipulation of people and the system. not the overarching evidence of when it helps non-abusive people. everything is in constant need of reform, because humans are imperfect.
i still think we need a free market system them, but...then when problems arise they need to be adressed; you address them with law. unfortunately that's all people can do.
you'll still see people "diversifying" without child-support -- they're gaming the system, but it's because they are shitty people. not because the system is "unfair".
Did I ever suggest I'm against having social safety nets for low incomes mothers? No I didn't.
I'm just pointing out some of the flaws in the system and the long term ramifications from those flaws.
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman]
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great, and i'm sure Ecstatic is aware of your point, which you keep trying to constantly re-iterate in every conversation -- the interlocutor on repeat.
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I'm aware of all his points, theyre straight from The Original Thinking Conservative Almanac.
Is it any wonder why its so difficult for him and others here to defend their views? They signed the License User Agreement without reading it, and are now scrambling to cherrypick evidence that supports those beliefs.
Why do research and then form opinions when you can just agree with all the other conservatives and simply source everything from The Confirmation Bias Review?
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman] 2
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I'll admit when I'm wrong. You got me; marriage is in fact dis-incentivized at low incomes and now I am recalling reading stories of men who have to live apart from their children and monogamous partner in order to hide from social workers.
Marriage is highly incentivized for the vast majority of Americans, though.
Also, I have respect for the Heritage foundation; but the first half of that article is beyond distasteful and intellectually dishonest. Marriage is not in "crisis" and you sure as hell can't make a causal relationship between welfare spending and rise in single-parent families.
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: you'll still see people "diversifying" without child-support -- they're gaming the system, but it's because they are shitty people. not because the system is "unfair".
Its classic leftist, victim culture, single mother victimhood etc. more rhetoric on "Proud single mom" which translates to back on the cock carousel. If the parade of free money runs out, the game is over, and the behavior ends since it no longer acquires resources. The family court system is in die or need of reform.
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: I'm aware of all his points, theyre straight from The Original Thinking Conservative Almanac.
Is it any wonder why its so difficult for him and others here to defend their views? They signed the License User Agreement without reading it, and are now scrambling to cherrypick evidence that supports those beliefs.
Why do research and then form opinions when you can just agree with all the other conservatives and simply source everything from The Confirmation Bias Review? 
As if dismissing every idea or notion because it doesn't fit into your box of "ideology" is any better
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akira_akuma said: you'll still see people "diversifying" without child-support -- they're gaming the system, but it's because they are shitty people. not because the system is "unfair".
Its classic leftist, victim culture, single mother victimhood etc. more rhetoric on "Proud single mom" which translates to back on the cock carousel. If the parade of free money runs out, the game is over, and the behavior ends since it no longer acquires resources. The family court system is in die or need of reform.
it's also classic rightest victim culture that hates the classic leftist victim culture, whom also, by the by, have single-mother victimhood, and presume to insinuate that every culture to ever move in abroad are causing it all.
and it isn't leftists who put you on the fiat system of commerce. republicans have been on the dole, essentially, for ages...SO-CALLED republicans, that is...they have run your businesses, banks, churches.
this idiocy phases me not. it'll always be the same way with people. left or right.
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he used to be a fucking conservative, i believe, so....
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
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he used to be a fucking conservative, i believe,
And now?
***saying he used to be one is like saying he used to have a brain and then got in a car wreck and now doesn't know where he is most the time
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not really. to me it says he was smart enough to see the use in such a philosophy, and then he found flaws, probably not only in itself, but it's proponents, and i'm sure he's done the same in his views of the left-wing political philosophy.
he wasn't merely inculcated into something and stuck with it...so i'd say that's smarter than it is dumber.
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akira_akuma said: you'll still see people "diversifying" without child-support -- they're gaming the system, but it's because they are shitty people. not because the system is "unfair".
Its classic leftist, victim culture, single mother victimhood etc. more rhetoric on "Proud single mom" which translates to back on the cock carousel. If the parade of free money runs out, the game is over, and the behavior ends since it no longer acquires resources. The family court system is in die or need of reform.
Whats the cost of this? If you were to cut funding and shut down these social programs, what would happen to these families that are legitimately needing and using the system?
approx 67,891,000 people on the system using $158,200,000,000 of federal funding each year not counting food stamps or unemployment. Lets say half abuse the system. We cut em all off to fix the system like you say. Thats still just shy of 34 million people that rely on that money to be able to eat, have a roof over their head, etc..
So what happens to these people in a year? Do you think that your portion of the $158 Billion will make its way back into your pocket? Lets say it does, government shuts welfare, refunds this years line item to each tax payer and then cuts that amount out of their budget so you get to keep your share. About 122 million federal tax payers, so you get back your roughly $1300 a year and keep that every year after, while the almost 68 million go with nothing because of your petty $110 a month.
I'll keep working and I'll keep paying and when I see some single mom getting groceries and fighting with her 2 kids fighting in the cart while she attempts to pay with her food stamp card, I'll feel ok with that situation while it would probably boil your blood. I'm ok with that too, if you don't like this system then maybe moving to a place with more economic freedom, like Hong Kong, or Singapore would suit you.
The problem is that you can't stop people from taking advantage of what is around. It doesn't really matter what context that is in either, be it social programs, computer programs, other people, whatever, it's nature, the best bang for your buck, the most outcome for the least input.
Did you also know that if we simply started getting rid of the things that we don't like to pay for because some other ass figured out how to short cut the system, that we might as well get rid of money. Did you know that 100% of all thefts are due to monetary gains of some sort, usually in lieu or obtaining that monetary gain through means "easier" than a "legitimate" job. People seriously screw each other over in horrible ways every day because of money, and you and I gotta pay for that shit with every fucking cent. Get rid of money and problem solved right? I mean yeah, it does benefit the ones who need it, but if it's for the greater good, and also means that myself, I, don't have to pay for assholes to abuse the system , fuck it, just get rid of the system right?
Unimaginative, unintelligent, uncreative, unwilling, closed minded, totalitarian, scared shitless of loosing grip, whining fucking baby man. Learn to use your fucking intellect you wanna make a better system then start becoming part of the solution, make a difference. You bitch and moan about this shit but I am curious about what you have done in your life to better the situation?
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: nuentoter]
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approx 67,891,000 people on the system using $158,200,000,000 of federal funding each year not counting food stamps or unemployment. Lets say half abuse the system. We cut em all off to fix the system like you say. Thats still just shy of 34 million people that rely on that money to be able to eat, have a roof over their head, etc
It shows up in this recent report from the Cato Institute, which argues that the federal government spends $668 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs (spending by the state and local governments push that figure up to $1 trillion per year)
There is plenty we can do to curb abuse without just "doing away with the whole system" as you go on to opine
***Why is it always "all or nothing" with you people?
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: nuentoter]
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qman said: Did I ever suggest I'm against having social safety nets for low incomes mothers? No I didn't.
I suggesting there shouldn't be a safety net for single moms. There should be something for people not, women that can't keep their legs closed, and have bastard children from different men. Insert victim rhetoric here. Quote:
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Whats the cost of this?
Are you fucking kidding me?
THE WELFARE STATE IS THE SINGLE MOTHER STATE. Providing free money cause a woman chooses a series of shitty mates is clearly not the answer since it amplifies the problem.
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If you were to cut funding and shut down these social programs, what would happen to these families that are legitimately needing and using the system?
Genes weeded out of existence. That's Darwin. Survival of the fittest.
The problem is made out that there are dead beat dads. The divorce stat speaks for itself. 2/3 divorces or as high as 81% of divorces are initiated by (drum roll) women.
The numbers of actual single moms based upon being widowed is a miniscule amount. The vast majority of the stats are women swinging from the pole and cannot keep their legs closed. Factually, children are at risk of abuse sexual/physical, higher risk of std and pregnancy, poor socio-economic status, welfare, lower education, and a series of other issues. One of the single traumatic effects on a child is being the product of a single mom. Instead of self ownership, take responsibility and a sense of accountability, she is the victim and gets free money. I do not want to live on this planet anymore.
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approx 67,891,000 people on the system using $158,200,000,000 of federal funding each year not counting food stamps or unemployment. Lets say half abuse the system. We cut em all off to fix the system like you say. Thats still just shy of 34 million people that rely on that money to be able to eat, have a roof over their head, etc..
There is a series of "The truth about Single Moms" or "The truth about the welfare state" introduces the reality of these little intervention plans. Look at the number of people using social assistance, welfare or some government handout (ie reliant on the state). Since its inception, its gone full retard in the use, and its not based solely upon lost jobs the way it is portrayed. The reality is that, women who cannot close their legs are taking a significant amount of these resources. Women are pro large government cause if she picks the wrong man, she has daddy government to fall back on despite poor lifestyle choices.
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So what happens to these people in a year? Do you think that your portion of the $158 Billion will make its way back into your pocket? Lets say it does, government shuts welfare, refunds this years line item to each tax payer and then cuts that amount out of their budget so you get to keep your share. About 122 million federal tax payers, so you get back your roughly $1300 a year and keep that every year after, while the almost 68 million go with nothing because of your petty $110 a month.
Get a job. Start a business. Stop taking women's studies and liberal arts, then trashing or rioting cause of stupid life choices.
If a man were to enter college campus' debunking the wage myth gap then ask a woman out for coffee, she will scream sexist, rape culture or something else absurd.
Women are fed this victim narrative.
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I'll keep working and I'll keep paying and when I see some single mom getting groceries and fighting with her 2 kids fighting in the cart while she attempts to pay with her food stamp card, I'll feel ok with that situation while it would probably boil your blood. I'm ok with that too, if you don't like this system then maybe moving to a place with more economic freedom, like Hong Kong, or Singapore would suit you.
Would you like me to bring out my violin and play her a little tune? Simply close your legs, quit fucking losers, men without jobs, and handle bar mustaches. I feel no sympathy what so ever.
You got this little sob story narrative and leftist eat this shit up.
I saw a funny meme. It showed the level of attractiveness and SMV of right wing women and leftist women. Needless to say, the leftist women are not mad about the patriarchy lol.
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The problem is that you can't stop people from taking advantage of what is around. It doesn't really matter what context that is in either, be it social programs, computer programs, other people, whatever, it's nature, the best bang for your buck, the most outcome for the least input.
The push for government reliance is the problem. I do not care how many children a woman has out of wedlock, with multiple different men, just my resources should not be allocated to clean up that mess.
The same goes for "proud single mom" narrative. You got cucks out raising these man's babies beta male provider style and the alphas who run around plugging hoes.
The family court systems needs reform. The welfare state needs reform. Even access and resources for mental health needs reform. I think the ideas of socialism mean well but, it does not work. The parade of free money does not work. Not going to work because "I'm sad" is absurd.
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Did you also know that if we simply started getting rid of the things that we don't like to pay for because some other ass figured out how to short cut the system, that we might as well get rid of money. Did you know that 100% of all thefts are due to monetary gains of some sort, usually in lieu or obtaining that monetary gain through means "easier" than a "legitimate" job. People seriously screw each other over in horrible ways every day because of money, and you and I gotta pay for that shit with every fucking cent. Get rid of money and problem solved right? I mean yeah, it does benefit the ones who need it, but if it's for the greater good, and also means that myself, I, don't have to pay for assholes to abuse the system , fuck it, just get rid of the system right?
Unimaginative, unintelligent, uncreative, unwilling, closed minded, totalitarian, scared shitless of loosing grip, whining fucking baby man. Learn to use your fucking intellect you wanna make a better system then start becoming part of the solution, make a difference. You bitch and moan about this shit but I am curious about what you have done in your life to better the situation?
Says clown shoes without any data, stats or fact.
Just parade free money cause people made poor lifestyle choices.
Survival of the fittest. If you cannot support yourself outside being a veteran or widow or some chit event, you don't eat. What happens when you do not eat?
Its great there are resources for people who are struggling. The free money parade is the problem and cause of our national debt. Mother of 3 who is a widow, her husband fought in the war deserves access to welfare. The woman getting three way gang banged while her multiple kids from different men are laying around in chit diapers doesn't deserve free money.
The system needs reform.
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hostileuniverse said: It shows up in this recent report from the Cato Institute, which argues that the federal government spends $668 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs (spending by the state and local governments push that figure up to $1 trillion per year)
There is plenty we can do to curb abuse without just "doing away with the whole system" as you go on to opine
***Why is it always "all or nothing" with you people?
I think it is great there are resources for those struggling but, the parade of free money, increase in taxes, and national debt must come to an end.
If you see the stats of welfare that is the single mom group, it is gross. Widows are widows. Not single moms. Huge difference. Access to mental health resources is one thing. Being sad is not enough to acquire resources.
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Single parent families - 84% single moms According to U.S. Census Bureau,3 out of about 12 million single parent families in 2015, more than 80% were headed by single mothers.
https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/
I am so done with the victim culture, the cries of racism or sexist cause somebody with really low IQ cannot bring reason, evidence, and intelligence to discussion.
This is a problem. A significant portion of the female population especially on college campuses are into women studies, liberal arts, and more leftist propaganda.
Its okay to just squeeze out a bunch of bastard children. Some cuck will raise her kids or daddy government and tax payer dollars will foot the bill.
Reform is needed.
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I'll admit when I'm wrong. You got me; marriage is in fact dis-incentivized at low incomes and now I am recalling reading stories of men who have to live apart from their children and monogamous partner in order to hide from social workers.
Marriage is highly incentivized for the vast majority of Americans, though.
Also, I have respect for the Heritage foundation; but the first half of that article is beyond distasteful and intellectually dishonest. Marriage is not in "crisis" and you sure as hell can't make a causal relationship between welfare spending and rise in single-parent families.
Children that come from a single-mother household are at a major disadvantage in life relative to children that come from a traditional family.
I know liberals hate hearing about those facts, but it's been proven statistically by many different sources many different times.
Does the current welfare system bear a huge amount of responsibility for the huge increase in single-mother parenting were witness today? YES.
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qman said:Does the current welfare system bear a huge amount of responsibility for the huge increase in single-mother parenting were witness today? YES.
I'm not sold on this point. Since the "Beginning of the War On Poverty" (which has been cut back most often than expanded, while single-motherhood has increased linearly) there was a sexual revolution aka. oral contraceptives, divorce became an option, the drug war began violently decimating young men in this country, unskilled workers got shit on by computers, increasing college enrollment, and decreasing union membership.
In my mind, the reason marriage is disincentivized at low incomes is because conservatives needed harsh, punitive auditing measures to be placated and sign off on welfare law.
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qman said:Does the current welfare system bear a huge amount of responsibility for the huge increase in single-mother parenting were witness today? YES.
I'm not sold on this point. Since the "Beginning of the War On Poverty" (which has been cut back most often than expanded, while single-motherhood has increased linearly) there was a sexual revolution aka. oral contraceptives, divorce became an option, the drug war began violently decimating young men in this country, unskilled workers got shit on by computers, increasing college enrollment, and decreasing union membership.
In my mind, the reason marriage is disincentivized at low incomes is because conservatives needed harsh, punitive auditing measures to be placated and sign off on welfare law.
"divorce became an option"
Yes, the current divorce laws turn men into nothing more than a cash flow machine regardless if they stay with their children. Obviously, women take advantage of those laws and create more fatherless children than would naturally happen without those laws.
I know of so many men that did nothing wrong in their marriage only to find themselves broke and living in a small single room apartment while their ex-wives live in their nice house with the kids and their new boyfriends.
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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman]
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Huge amount of responsibility?
I'm sure you've evidence stacked to the ceiling on this count, because apparently, in this sub, the evidence needed to prove responsibility is monumental.
But yeah, youre right, liberals do hate the fact that the number of single parent households is on the rise.
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The Ecstatic said: Huge amount of responsibility?
I'm sure you've evidence stacked to the ceiling on this count, because apparently, in this sub, the evidence needed to prove responsibility is monumental.
But yeah, youre right, liberals do hate the fact that the number of single parent households is on the rise.
By Single parent household, you mean, single mothers which is estimated at 84% in 2015. Guaranteed its growing.
The you got cucks, men with low testosterone that are shoe horning themselves into the situation.
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