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Impact of the Electoral College * 1
    #23852712 - 11/20/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So, now that Trump has lost the popular vote, but won the presidency, due to the impact of the electoral college, I think it's time this nation discuss the usefulness and purpose of the EC. George W Bush won this way also. If it weren't for the EC, Republicans wouldn't have held the oval office once in the past 25 years. Yet they've had 8 years, and have been granted 4 more due to the weighted scale of our democracy.

There's a reason this country polls left on most issues, but elects Donald Trump.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23852817 - 11/20/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



How are we sure this had no effect on the outcome of the popular vote?


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23853505 - 11/21/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters. They are generally used to stifle minority votes, which is why they are used in red states.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23853721 - 11/21/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters.




So, poor people? Is there any proof that they're there to stifle minority votes or is it just a coincidence that they affect poor people and lots of minorities live in poor areas?

You can bet on the fact that illegals voted for Hillary if all they needed to get was a driver's license in certain states, so those votes should not even count. Judging by how many are estimated to be here, Trump could have easily won the popular vote.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23853937 - 11/21/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters.




So, poor people? Is there any proof that they're there to stifle minority votes or is it just a coincidence that they affect poor people and lots of minorities live in poor areas?

You can bet on the fact that illegals voted for Hillary if all they needed to get was a driver's license in certain states, so those votes should not even count. Judging by how many are estimated to be here, Trump could have easily won the popular vote.




Of course the votes of illegals shouldn't count. The problem with what you're saying is that you are 1) speculating who they voted for, if they voted, and 2) you're speculating on how many of them voted.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23854021 - 11/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Right, there's some speculation that at least 3 million of them voted, I have no proof of that. But DHS has estimated there's about 4 times as many as that living in the US. There could be less, but there could easily be more. It's pretty safe to say that any who did vote did not vote for Trump. I haven't even mentioned the dead people it seems democrats like to use for votes either.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23854065 - 11/21/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters.




So, poor people? Is there any proof that they're there to stifle minority votes or is it just a coincidence that they affect poor people and lots of minorities live in poor areas?

You can bet on the fact that illegals voted for Hillary if all they needed to get was a driver's license in certain states, so those votes should not even count. Judging by how many are estimated to be here, Trump could have easily won the popular vote.




http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php
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California Assembly Bill 60 ( AB-60) is a bill passed into law that, in effect, allows illegal immigrants to the United States to apply for a California driver's license with the CA Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).
Previous to this bill, driver's licenses were only issued to California residents who could prove their legal presence in the United States, usually by providing a Social Security number. Per AB-60, a California resident who cannot prove their legal presence in the U.S. can still apply for a driver's license as long as they can prove their identity AND California residency, as well as pass all required tests for an original driver's license.
This is a special driver's license that:
May NOT be used for identification purposes.
MAY be used to drive anywhere throughout the state of California.
Has a distinguishing feature and notice on the front of the license indicating that it is for driving purposes only, per the AB-60 law (i.e. “DP" instead of “DL").
Cannot be used against the license holder to determine their immigration status or citizenship, or detain them in any way for reasons other than valid traffic violations.




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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23854126 - 11/21/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hope that's accurate. But we've seen some things go down in this election that shows that just because something is written down as a rule doesn't mean it won't be broken.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23854173 - 11/21/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Too funny.



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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23854189 - 11/21/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters. They are generally used to stifle minority votes, which is why they are used in red states.




"stifle minority votes"



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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman]
    #23854200 - 11/21/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

California :facepalm:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman]
    #23854213 - 11/21/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yep, I saw that video. I was thinkin about postin it too.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23854216 - 11/21/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yep, I saw that video. I was thinkin about postin it too.




Yet this liberals around here have the audacity to call me the racist. :rofl2:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23854366 - 11/21/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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there's some speculation that at least 3 million of them (illegals) voted, I have no proof of that.



That's ridiculous claim to make with no evidence.

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I haven't even mentioned the dead people it seems democrats like to use for votes either.



Another ridiculous claim.  What's happening is that dead people may still be on the voter rolls if they die shortly before the election.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman] * 1
    #23854407 - 11/21/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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there's some speculation that at least 3 million of them (illegals) voted, I have no proof of that.



That's ridiculous claim to make with no evidence.

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I haven't even mentioned the dead people it seems democrats like to use for votes either.



Another ridiculous claim.  What's happening is that dead people may still be on the voter rolls if they die shortly before the election.




Yes, I would like to see evidence of these claims. I was going to ask him, but he doesn't seem too inclined to engage in some sort of rigorous fact-based debate. I think he is just providing his speculations.

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It may have. I think voter ID laws affect the type of people who voted for Trump as much as Hillary voters. They are generally used to stifle minority votes, which is why they are used in red states.




"stifle minority votes"






For every heavily edited video you post to bolster your perspective, I can post one bolstering mine. There are no facts in this video. Many of the people on the 'liberal' side of that video were stupid fucking assholes, agreed. I am not them.

There are most certainly racist components to some voter ID laws. For instance, in Texas, college ID's are not permitted, but open carry cards are. That's because white people are more likely to have an open carry ID, even if they don't have a driver's license.

I am not entirely opposed to voter ID laws, by the way.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: qman] * 3
    #23854413 - 11/21/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yep, I saw that video. I was thinkin about postin it too.




Yet this liberals around here have the audacity to call me the racist. :rofl2:




You are a racist. Its not an audacious claim at all, either.



Fwiw, my driver's license, street address, and social all needed to be inspected and verified before I was allowed to vote.

You act like Mexicans are walking into polling stations with McLovin IDs. This is just a sad excuse for the popular vote disparity. The electoral college win is Trump's mandate, so Hillary actually getting more votes must have been because of cheating or rigging in some form or fashion.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23854487 - 11/21/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rigging a DNC-run primary, to some extent, is plausible, given that a few of the DNC chair people were her former campaign orchestrators or political cohorts. That's not the same as rigging a general election.

If you really want to talk about political parties rigging elections, we ought to talk about the districting in this country. Republicans utilize gerrymandering far more often than Democrats, and in my opinion, it is a lot easier for them to do it. It's harder for Democrats to gerrymander districts, when most of their voter concentrations are in urban centers. Republican voters tend to be in large expanses of rural area.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Eminence]
    #23854865 - 11/21/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How are we sure this had no effect on the outcome of the popular vote?



yeah, you really should need IDs. but then again...hey...it's the USA. :lol:


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23858614 - 11/22/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Voting is screwed up. Daughter got married a year ago. She voted in her new town. Yet when I went to polls her name was still on the record. She could have voted twice. I'm sure this is not isolated to just here.

Electoral college is not needed.


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Re: Impact of the Electoral College [Re: Quadman] * 2
    #23858810 - 11/22/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You are assuming that nobody would have caught that she had voted twice. I don't know how far she moved away, but driving to hit both polls would probably be inconvenient considering it is only to earn her 1 additional vote. Finally, that shit is a felony offence


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