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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: sudly]
    #23852507 - 11/20/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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God damn dude I am getting some sad vibes from you.


If you don't fear death then eat 20g of dried magic mushrooms before you go because if you want to succeed in life you have to put in effort equal to looking for diamonds in a pool of shit.

I live because I want to.




That doesn't answer why we should bother to do that. In fact that's actually a case against living. Too much bad and far too little good to justify it all.

Also there is a difference between not fearing death and seeking it out.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: viktor]
    #23852512 - 11/20/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What you're expressing, Thanatos, is a state of mind. You are not expressing your thoughts on reality. Reality could be anything, and it changes with your state of mind.




Although you are correct here, Thanatos considers himself to be a decaying physical body living in a material world. His grip on this delusion is exceptional; he will not listen to any argument against it, no matter (ha) how logical.



That's statement alone is reason enough to discount your words.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852514 - 11/20/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OP:Only the selfish sense of entitlement allows one to throw a way a gift so many would die for.

You live so you can ask why you shouldn't.....I don't get it.




I ask why we should stay alive. Life isn't a gift or a curse but a situation that we are forced into by our parents. Life after that is just a struggle once you're an adult. A struggle to eat and live, because why? We fear death? What if we didn't? Why bother staying alive at all?



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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852519 - 11/20/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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God damn dude I am getting some sad vibes from you.


If you don't fear death then eat 20g of dried magic mushrooms before you go because if you want to succeed in life you have to put in effort equal to looking for diamonds in a pool of shit.

I live because I want to.




That doesn't answer why we should bother to do that. In fact that's actually a case against living. Too much bad and far too little good to justify it all.

Also there is a difference between not fearing death and seeking it out.




Then accept there's good and bad in life.
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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: deff]
    #23852522 - 11/20/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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how do you know death = oblivion? to me, that there is life (and consciousness) at all is strange enough for me to think that there might be more beyond death. I think it is easy to become tricked by what we think we know - in a sense, incomplete (or inaccurate) knowledge can become a more extreme form of ignorance than simply acknowledging we don't know. :smile:

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Funny you should say that because I don't find people very tolerable. Or they bore me.



You can always find other things to serve - animals and nature for instance. I think the more we remain isolated to our own small bubble of self-concern, the more miserable we are. When we expand our concern to beings outside our little bubbles, our energy expands - and that spaciousness can be filled with much joy.

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By the way that doesn't answer why we should stay alive or do any of that really.



If life is joyful and personally meaningful to you (which is different than knowing some objective meaning outside yourself), then the thought of 'why live?' doesn't come up, instead 'why die?' might I think :smile: Also, don't expect the conceptual mind to know reasons for life, the conceptual mind is very blind to truth - it just knows remembered facts and takes calculated guesses. Instead we have other aspects of our being too - like what is called the heart (not the physical organ so much as the center of inner sensitivity and love). When we become overly fixated on only what the conceptual mind can know, then we are very limited and the problems you present will come up. The mind is blind, it can only reflect the awareness of the heart - much like how the moon doesn't create light, it only reflects the sun's light :smile: But to the mind alone, this will seem ridiculous I imagine...




Once again you fail to answer why one should do any of that. Why should we care about anything else really?
And mysticism seems like something for people who want the easy out. Conceptual mind, psh.

You are also incorrect about saying why die if life is enjoyable. I think people can enjoy it because they don't question why they should keep it up. The more they question it the more they find the joy eroding away as they fail to answer it.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: sudly]
    #23852528 - 11/20/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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God damn dude I am getting some sad vibes from you.


If you don't fear death then eat 20g of dried magic mushrooms before you go because if you want to succeed in life you have to put in effort equal to looking for diamonds in a pool of shit.

I live because I want to.




That doesn't answer why we should bother to do that. In fact that's actually a case against living. Too much bad and far too little good to justify it all.

Also there is a difference between not fearing death and seeking it out.




Then accept there's good and bad in life.
:fryflipoff:




There's too much bad and not enough good. We foolishly believe those moments of 10% make the rest bearable but that sounds like fooling yourself


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: pineninja]
    #23852530 - 11/20/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OP:Only the selfish sense of entitlement allows one to throw a way a gift so many would die for.

You live so you can ask why you shouldn't.....I don't get it.




I ask why we should stay alive. Life isn't a gift or a curse but a situation that we are forced into by our parents. Life after that is just a struggle once you're an adult. A struggle to eat and live, because why? We fear death? What if we didn't? Why bother staying alive at all?



Stand in a terminal ward for a day then get back to me.




I wish I could take their place honestly.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852537 - 11/20/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again you fail to answer why one should do any of that. Why should we care about anything else really?



there are other motivations besides just conceptual meaning in the head - there is also motivation through feeling, through inner guidance - which doesn't always translate into some meaningful concept explaining the casual relationship it represents. why does a flower bloom? does it first think up a good reason of why it should, or is it just an inner inclination? I think human life can be the same way. That said, I don't think it's wrong to question like you are, but I hope that such questioning eventually reveals to you the limitations of the mind, and impels you to find a new solution rather than depressed nihilism :smile:

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And mysticism seems like something for people who want the easy out.



I would say killing yourself is more of an escapist approach than mysticism. to me, mysticism gets to the heart of what is happening to you right now, rather than escaping it. and if it's easy, all the better :smile: why value difficult things? :smile:


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #23852544 - 11/20/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then what the fuck do you want? A diamond dildo?

Jesus dude, are you not satisfied by anything?

Try to put things in perspective, we truly do live in a heaven on Earth in a hell that is the Universe.

Life can't survive outside our atmosphere.(except in spaceships and tardigrades)


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #23852551 - 11/20/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you think there is too much bad, why not project the good yourself? Why do you want others to do the work for you? Do it yourself.

If you think you are doing good and then come here and I read all these negative threads and responses from you, you are not living that way but acting.

Be the good. Find something you feel a purpose with and be the good with that.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #23852553 - 11/20/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

forget about purpose unless you are talking about a tool
people do not have purpose,
we have what we make of life, sometimes using tools during our making...

whoever told you that you need purpose is making you a slave or a tool.
and stop blaming your parents, they are as clueless as you are.


find something of interest other than the dreary meaninglessness performance


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: deff]
    #23852556 - 11/20/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again you fail to answer why one should do any of that. Why should we care about anything else really?



there are other motivations besides just conceptual meaning in the head - there is also motivation through feeling, through inner guidance - which doesn't always translate into some meaningful concept explaining the casual relationship it represents. why does a flower bloom? does it first think up a good reason of why it should, or is it just an inner inclination? I think human life can be the same way. That said, I don't think it's wrong to question like you are, but I hope that such questioning eventually reveals to you the limitations of the mind, and impels you to find a new solution rather than depressed nihilism :smile:

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And mysticism seems like something for people who want the easy out.



I would say killing yourself is more of an escapist approach than mysticism. to me, mysticism gets to the heart of what is happening to you right now, rather than escaping it. and if it's easy, all the better :smile: why value difficult things? :smile:




Because mysticism doesn't answer questions. It's just belief without proof and that doesn't fly. Feelings are the basest level of interpreting reality and it's why we have a mind to override them.

Plus it fails when tested. But people like mysticism because it doesn't require effort.

There is nothing else but the mind. What my question has shown so far is that everything people have made up to justify living further is just and illusion or a lie. It doesn't hold up. Spiritually tries to coast by on not being mental only because when examined it doesn't hold up.

But spirituality still doesn't answer why one should stay alive. Just because a flower blooms doesn't mean it should. It doesn't mean it should exist either.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: pachoo]
    #23852560 - 11/20/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you think there is too much bad, why not project the good yourself? Why do you want others to do the work for you? Do it yourself.

If you think you are doing good and then come here and I read all these negative threads and responses from you, you are not living that way but acting.

Be the good. Find something you feel a purpose with and be the good with that.




Again that fails to address the question of why should one do that. Why bother?


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23852564 - 11/20/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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find something of interest other than the dreary meaninglessness performance




I see that as a kind of purpose... It's your own purpose. And it can change all the time or stay the same. I do not think it makes people a slave or a tool if it is fulfilling to them. If it becomes unfulfilling you change it. Change is the only constant. Growth is the goal. Sometimes we make it sometimes we don't.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: sudly]
    #23852565 - 11/20/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Then what the fuck do you want? A diamond dildo?

Jesus dude, are you not satisfied by anything?

Try to put things in perspective, we truly do live in a heaven on Earth in a hell that is the Universe.

Life can't survive outside our atmosphere.(except in spaceships and tardigrades)





We have minds developed enough to wonder why we are even alive and why we should keep going anyway. That's a curse not a gift. Earth isn't heaven either. Nature is a vicious struggle to survive.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852567 - 11/20/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Again that fails to address the question of why should one do that. Why bother?




Then why complain or mention it? I can't help you with your own riddles. You find your own answer.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852569 - 11/20/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

perhaps there is a solution that would satisfy your mind that you haven't encountered. but so long as you stay trapped in only relying on the mind, then you will miss the bigger picture. who is looking out through your eyes right now? send love to that one :smile:

as for these threads... I think you should examine to yourself if it is at all possible for you to change your point of view. if you don't see yourself opening to a new perspective - if you think it is impossible - then what are you doing posting here? what is your motivation? because I don't see much practical value coming from posting these threads for you, other than you cementing your beliefs that life is meaningless. remain skeptical to yourself, remain open. perhaps you aren't seeing the big picture :smile:


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23852572 - 11/20/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Things with out a purpose have no reason to exist. It's that simple. People who live without purpose become sucidcal, life becomes dull. People need a purpose to strive for. But they don't  realize that no matter what they decide it all turns to ash in the end. It's the same as dying.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: deff]
    #23852577 - 11/20/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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perhaps there is a solution that would satisfy your mind that you haven't encountered. but so long as you stay trapped in only relying on the mind, then you will miss the bigger picture. who is looking out through your eyes right now? send love to that one :smile:

as for these threads... I think you should examine to yourself if it is at all possible for you to change your point of view. if you don't see yourself opening to a new perspective - if you think it is impossible - then what are you doing posting here? what is your motivation? because I don't see much practical value coming from posting these threads for you, other than you cementing your beliefs that life is meaningless. remain skeptical to yourself, remain open. perhaps you aren't seeing the big picture :smile:




The big picture is that life is meaningless. It exists without reason and will continue to long after we are gone. Humans, being fragile, assign importance to aspects of their lives to weave some kind of veil that makes life tolerable. Given how psychologically frail we are it makes sense. We weave an entire world to make it feel like we matter but looking outside the human perspective you see it's all for naught.

I'm looking for answers as to why people believe live is worth living and why one should continue to live. Because when I look at nature I see the absurd. It exists without reason and continues to do so even despite past extinction events


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #23852579 - 11/20/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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