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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: deff]
    #23851943 - 11/20/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Life is 100% worth living. Dying is inevitable, so suicide is pointless.  Enjoi this mystery and chance to be.  Think about it, if you knew you would die for sure in 2 days, wouldnt you go out and life like you really wanted to? without regrets and fears or anyting to hold you back? because , hey!, im gone in 2 days anyways!  So its of no consequence to stay around and do anything I can dream up! haha its so lovely when you think about it that way , and thats basically what will happen but in an unkown but gaurenteed amount of time!  So go run butt naked across the globe and freeze to death , or anything but suicide.  Suicide is done only by very sick unfortunately.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23851977 - 11/20/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
Why struggle for something that eventually goes to dust? Why not just die? Why struggle for others?




well either YOU VALUE entropy, or YOU VALUE this little thing we have while thumbing our noses at entropy.

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Thanatos10 said:You say such questions aren't valid and answering them is wrongheaded but you don't say why that is.




I think asking these questions shows an obsession with your cognitive illusion that life should have a purpose other than being life, and that life without such purpose has no inherent value. Tools have purpose, we are not tools.

A magician's trick will direct your attention away from the actual matter, and then voila, your deceived eyes perceive magic.

These questions consume you but you can choose if you want to be consumed. This is what you are filling your life with. Is it beneficial to yourself or others? Is it breaking new philosophical landscapes? Do you love cognitive illusion? Do you have to be a tool?


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23852023 - 11/20/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Magic mushrooms and cannabis alone are something that makes life living. I think life continues after death but I doubt it is anything like a story that unfolds, as human lives seem to. To me the modern life (pax romana/roman peace, western society, corporate bullshit etc) is not worth living but at the same time there is the natural world here which has always been here, and is something very special and sometimes magical if you have the eye for it. Myself, I try to focus more on the natural world and the internal world. I find my own path while putting up with the fake overlay modern western world like it's fleas on my back.

As the old saying goes 'life is what you make it', and if someone else is making it for you (society and it's fashions and ways) then you're never going to feel fulfilled. I try to live each day in defiance of the satan like parasitical system them is increasingly trying to control our thoughts and dreams (and every aspect of our lives).

Life is worth living if you can find things to live for. Love is a big reason to live, and I don't particularly mean the romance type of love. I mean the universal type of love that sometimes people feel overwhelmed with on magic mushrooms. Some may call it Gods love.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23852024 - 11/20/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What you're expressing, Thanatos, is a state of mind. You are not expressing your thoughts on reality. Reality could be anything, and it changes with your state of mind.

Try to get in a better frame of mind. Then see if your worries, doubts, complications, are anything other than depressed cognition...


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852057 - 11/20/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If it's totally static, same shit different day, and you have no desire to recreate....... I'd consider you to be wasting your life.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23852087 - 11/20/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Magic mushrooms and cannabis alone are something that makes life living. I think life continues after death but I doubt it is anything like a story that unfolds, as human lives seem to. To me the modern life (pax romana/roman peace, western society, corporate bullshit etc) is not worth living but at the same time there is the natural world here which has always been here, and is something very special and sometimes magical if you have the eye for it. Myself, I try to focus more on the natural world and the internal world. I find my own path while putting up with the fake overlay modern western world like it's fleas on my back.

As the old saying goes 'life is what you make it', and if someone else is making it for you (society and it's fashions and ways) then you're never going to feel fulfilled. I try to live each day in defiance of the satan like parasitical system them is increasingly trying to control our thoughts and dreams (and every aspect of our lives).

Life is worth living if you can find things to live for. Love is a big reason to live, and I don't particularly mean the romance type of love. I mean the universal type of love that sometimes people feel overwhelmed with on magic mushrooms. Some may call it Gods love.




Nice thoughts.  Right now I'm chowing hard on an early Thanksgiving dinner so am feeling quite "fulfilled".  Taking the effort to cook a turkey on the grill and mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce and asparagus which was on sale yet wonderful looking, I find it worthwhile.  Now I have meals for a few days, yum.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23852122 - 11/20/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you will find something in your life you enjoy worth living for.........


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: nk122]
    #23852131 - 11/20/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know, it seems somebody can value their own view point over countless positive impressions they could be having......  That could last a life time if not dealt with....


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23852160 - 11/20/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you mean like eyore?


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23852207 - 11/20/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23852301 - 11/20/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

eeyore is my spirit animal


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: quinn]
    #23852320 - 11/20/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

OP:Only the selfish sense of entitlement allows one to throw a way a gift so many would die for.

You live so you can ask why you shouldn't.....I don't get it.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: pineninja]
    #23852464 - 11/20/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OP:Only the selfish sense of entitlement allows one to throw a way a gift so many would die for.

You live so you can ask why you shouldn't.....I don't get it.




I ask why we should stay alive. Life isn't a gift or a curse but a situation that we are forced into by our parents. Life after that is just a struggle once you're an adult. A struggle to eat and live, because why? We fear death? What if we didn't? Why bother staying alive at all?


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23852470 - 11/20/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Life is 100% worth living. Dying is inevitable, so suicide is pointless.  Enjoi this mystery and chance to be.  Think about it, if you knew you would die for sure in 2 days, wouldnt you go out and life like you really wanted to? without regrets and fears or anyting to hold you back? because , hey!, im gone in 2 days anyways!  So its of no consequence to stay around and do anything I can dream up! haha its so lovely when you think about it that way , and thats basically what will happen but in an unkown but gaurenteed amount of time!  So go run butt naked across the globe and freeze to death , or anything but suicide.  Suicide is done only by very sick unfortunately.




If I was going to die in two days I would be counting the hours until oblivion.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: deff]
    #23852482 - 11/20/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I remember years ago when I first discovered Buddhism, I was attending talks by a Buddhist monk at a centre close to where I lived. At the time, I was waking up every morning feeling pretty low and not enjoying the job I was working at. This monk teacher would often mention things in his talks that seemed to directly address issues and questions I had, he seemed very intuitive with his talks. He said during one something like, if we wake up every morning feeling low and not wanting to go to work then it's a sign of not having enough merit (positive karma). And that if we work to cultivate positive qualities and help others, we would transform our experience of life. And sure enough, that happened for me, and is the best advice that comes to mind given your OP. Simply find a way to love others, be generous, help, celebrate the success of others, check your motivation frequently to ensure you act from a motivation of love. Over time, things can shift significantly. What you put out into the universe seems to come back - if you aren't sending love and assistance out then you likely won't get much back in the form of positive mood, inspiration, passion for life, etc. :smile: Something to ponder perhaps.




Funny you should say that because I don't find people very tolerable. Or they bore me. By the way that doesn't answer why we should stay alive or do any of that really.

I also learned that what you put out doesn't get put back to you. The universe is just a great void that doesn't care for what happens within. People who do good don't get the same and deceivers prosper. You don't always get your dues and that's life. Outside the insulated lives we live the natural world is a fierce bloodbath. Where death is common and the creatures don't blink at the fact.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23852491 - 11/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
Why struggle for something that eventually goes to dust? Why not just die? Why struggle for others?




well either YOU VALUE entropy, or YOU VALUE this little thing we have while thumbing our noses at entropy.

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Thanatos10 said:You say such questions aren't valid and answering them is wrongheaded but you don't say why that is.




I think asking these questions shows an obsession with your cognitive illusion that life should have a purpose other than being life, and that life without such purpose has no inherent value. Tools have purpose, we are not tools.

A magician's trick will direct your attention away from the actual matter, and then voila, your deceived eyes perceive magic.

These questions consume you but you can choose if you want to be consumed. This is what you are filling your life with. Is it beneficial to yourself or others? Is it breaking new philosophical landscapes? Do you love cognitive illusion? Do you have to be a tool?




If it has no purpose they why does it exist or have to continue to exist?

What happens to others doesn't matter to me, and who cares about breaking philosophical ground (and exercise in futility I personally think)? What good is any of that if one can't answer why one should keep living? Why one should stay alive? All other questions are meaningless to those.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852492 - 11/20/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

God damn dude I am getting some sad vibes from you.


If you don't fear death then eat 20g of dried magic mushrooms before you go because if you want to succeed in life you have to put in effort equal to looking for diamonds in a pool of shit.

I live because I want to.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #23852498 - 11/20/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

how do you know death = oblivion? to me, that there is life (and consciousness) at all is strange enough for me to think that there might be more beyond death. I think it is easy to become tricked by what we think we know - in a sense, incomplete (or inaccurate) knowledge can become a more extreme form of ignorance than simply acknowledging we don't know. :smile:

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Funny you should say that because I don't find people very tolerable. Or they bore me.



You can always find other things to serve - animals and nature for instance. I think the more we remain isolated to our own small bubble of self-concern, the more miserable we are. When we expand our concern to beings outside our little bubbles, our energy expands - and that spaciousness can be filled with much joy.

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By the way that doesn't answer why we should stay alive or do any of that really.



If life is joyful and personally meaningful to you (which is different than knowing some objective meaning outside yourself), then the thought of 'why live?' doesn't come up, instead 'why die?' might I think :smile: Also, don't expect the conceptual mind to know reasons for life, the conceptual mind is very blind to truth - it just knows remembered facts and takes calculated guesses. Instead we have other aspects of our being too - like what is called the heart (not the physical organ so much as the center of inner sensitivity and love). When we become overly fixated on only what the conceptual mind can know, then we are very limited and the problems you present will come up. The mind is blind, it can only reflect the awareness of the heart - much like how the moon doesn't create light, it only reflects the sun's light :smile: But to the mind alone, this will seem ridiculous I imagine...


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
    #23852499 - 11/20/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What you're expressing, Thanatos, is a state of mind. You are not expressing your thoughts on reality. Reality could be anything, and it changes with your state of mind.




Although you are correct here, Thanatos considers himself to be a decaying physical body living in a material world. His grip on this delusion is exceptional; he will not listen to any argument against it, no matter (ha) how logical.


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Re: Is life worth living? [Re: viktor]
    #23852501 - 11/20/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Become the fertiliser you were meant to be Thanatos.


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