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Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed
#23849212 - 11/19/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So everything seems to be getting sick at once. I'm not sure if it's spider mites or broad mites (which I only just heard of, or what). But everyone seems affected. I have a few hours tomorrow to dedicate to my garden but I have no idea how to help. Been spraying with an insecticide of pyrethrin which contains a bit of soap too and a different pyrethrin brand seemed to help me in the past when my peyotes were getting scarred but I'm afraid these plants just aren't going to make it.
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Any help is appreciated, like I said, tomorrow I will be doing whatever I can, just not sure what exactly to do other than insecticide or giving up.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish] 1
#23849303 - 11/19/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's what my buddy Big Bear told me to do when I had RSM I no longer have RSM
Only thing I swear by is systemic Neem applications. I add silica and secondary oils to my foliar spray. This is my preventative maintence schedule, start to finish.
Base Mix: -30ml 100% pure Neem oil -10ml "pro-tekt" (silica additive and emulsifier. Before I used this product I just rocked Neem with dish soap as the emulsifier -1gal of water
Secondary mix components include: Aloe, lavender, Rosemary, and thyme. Basically I chop up a small handful of FRESH rosemary, thyme, or lavender and chop it up finely. I let it sit in a cup of water over night. I strain it in to my base mix and then fill the rest of the gallon up with water.
My schedule is usually every week I spray base mix+secondary and alternate the secondary every week. Lavender is particularly gnarly for mites. If I site a bug I usually douse everything every 72 hours until the problem goes away. Alternating secondary components really helps a lot. Diversity is key.
For storing fresh lavender, Rosemary, and thyme, I just go ahead and freeze it fresh, thaw and use as needed.
Thyme is mostly anti fungal so if I was having a mite problem I would probably do Neem+Rosemary and Neem+lavender alternating every 72 hours until the problem went away.
If shit was real bad id do Monterey and silica one day, Neem+lav+sil the next, Monterey+silica, Neem+Rosemary+silica, Monterey, Neem+lavender+silica
And just spray the gay away
As for soil ammendments, kelp meal, Neem seedmeal, karanja meal, and crab shell meal all have lots of IPM benefits. Top dressing with diatomaceous they say can help too. I only spray Neem thoigh. If I was only allowed to buy one product ever again for gardening it would be 100% dynagrow Neem oil. It's the only "product" I feel I need. Everything else I can just get at the feed store or grocery store.
Hope that helps. Get a nice sprayer. You're a farmer now. Preventative maintence should be part of your MO
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23849315 - 11/19/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Neem is illegal in Canada
edit: because our government is retarded
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23849317 - 11/19/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That shouldn't stop you from getting your hands on it man, it's essential. You can get it you just can't buy it here
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23849320 - 11/19/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So online?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23849328 - 11/19/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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 maybe make a post in the marketplace
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23849329 - 11/19/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess since Sunday is my garden day (I don't live in the same house as my plants) and it's Saturday night, I won't be able to buy anything useful. Just don't feel they don't have much time left.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23849334 - 11/19/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They have a bit of time but not much. If you can put them all in an air tight container for a few days that will kill them all and then you can start your neem application when it arrives to kill the eggs that hatch
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23849372 - 11/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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whats rsm?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23849431 - 11/19/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can easily put my peyotes in an air tight bag but the salvias, it won't be easy/possible at all. Nor the bigger pedros.
rsm = red spider mites
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23849432 - 11/19/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey redz, what about using fresh lemon balm and peppermint as a spray for insects?
I don't have lavender or Rosemary to play with but I got lemon balm and peppermint.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: impaired420]
#23849843 - 11/19/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you recently fertilize, was it this bad before spraying insecticide?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: MadBotanist]
#23849879 - 11/19/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always water my cacti with very dilute fertilizer, been doing that for years, never fertilized the salvia, just put them in fresh soil every now and then and they usually look good after but I transplanted them to fresh soil recently and it didn't help. Insecticide doesn't seem to have made anything worse. I only have sprayed my salvias once and they looked just as bad before.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23850358 - 11/20/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Red spider mites are a bitch.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23850501 - 11/20/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: Red spider mites are a bitch.
 I've been battling them for years on my indoor plants, they adapt well to different poisons. They even managed to kill my outdoor castor beans! Good luck jellyfish. One thing I have noticed is they have never migrated to my e. novo plants, a small silver lining.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Chemical Addiction]
#23850504 - 11/20/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah mites are a nightmare, just got a salvia plant that had them. Treated it with neem oil then spinosad a few days later and seems all good. Caught it early thankfully, hope there's not much eggs or recurring infection.
@impaired420 peppermint oil can help dissolve their exoskeletons and make them more prone to other insecticides. I love dr. bronners peppermint castile soap.
They WILL infect Kratom plants beware. Seen a supplier loose a ton of cuttings due to them
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: MadBotanist]
#23850586 - 11/20/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never had red spider mites - mainly because my plants live outdoors all year round. But I keep a lookout for the little buggers - I know they are the scourge of a lot of growers.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23851140 - 11/20/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK. Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23851181 - 11/20/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said: Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK. Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish 
But like anything else - from Viagra to strychnine - you can find someone to buy it from on line.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spanishfly]
#23851430 - 11/20/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I guess all I can do today is spray again with pyrethrum (which I can never seem to spell) and try to source neem oil. I can't think of anything else. Also, since plants excrete O2 and intake CO2, how could you suffocate mites by putting them in a bag? Won't the plant be the one to suffocate? Since even the small amount of O2 it puts out would be plenty for the mites to breathe, but the small amount of CO2 the mites exhale won't be enough for photosynthesis, the plant would then just continue burning it's own sugars, thus releasing CO2 but being unable to build new sugars. Oh wait, maybe that's the answer.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spanishfly]
#23851455 - 11/20/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said: Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK. Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish 
But like anything else - from Viagra to strychnine - you can find someone to buy it from on line.
Aint that grand? Chemicals yes, natural no
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23851538 - 11/20/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys one more thing. I noticed a couple weeks ago, after my regular watering of my biggest pedro (bought it in 2006, no idea how old it actually is) that a week later the soil had mould all over it. I thought maybe it was because it had gone dormant but none of my other plants seem to have, and it's not very cold in the basement yet, nor have the light cycles changed. Could this be related to the whole garden all dying at once situation? Also, should I try to induce dormancy? I've heard it's healthy for them to have a dormant period. I normally water twice a month, this past month I didn't water for 4 weeks and they look very thirsty so I'm going to water today. I'm not sure indoors under fluorescent lights that they ever go dormant. I dunno though. I've asked this before but never got an answer I fully understood.
The pedro in question:
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23851589 - 11/20/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you sure it's mold and no mineral or salt deposit?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23851676 - 11/20/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea it was fluffy and white
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23851749 - 11/20/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: So I guess all I can do today is spray again with pyrethrum (which I can never seem to spell) and try to source neem oil. I can't think of anything else. Also, since plants excrete O2 and intake CO2, how could you suffocate mites by putting them in a bag? Won't the plant be the one to suffocate? Since even the small amount of O2 it puts out would be plenty for the mites to breathe, but the small amount of CO2 the mites exhale won't be enough for photosynthesis, the plant would then just continue burning it's own sugars, thus releasing CO2 but being unable to build new sugars. Oh wait, maybe that's the answer.
I hope everything works out OK for you. Most of the advice I could find centered around: Pruning Washing Isolation Neem/pesticides Beneficial insects/predators. http://homeguides.sfgate.com/organic-ways-rid-spider-mites-78260.html That article also mentions the use of rosemary in a spray bottle as being effective.
So I'd prune off any really badly infested leaves. Then use a spray bottle or hose to wash the plants and pots to physically remove the mites. (Make sure the waste/prunings/run off doesn't spread the mites. Contain it and make sure it's safely disposed of) Isolate the plants or pots with clear baggies or trash bags- you might just be chasing the mites from one plant to the next. Try to do the best you can to make sure the plants aren't dry or stressed. For green leafy plants, seaweed is a good all around tonic, but not sure how it is on cactus. Or if you have to go nuclear- another site mentioned this: "If populations are high, use a least-toxic, short-lived pesticide (Take Down Spray, Doktor Doom Foggers) to reduce infestations, then release predatory mites to maintain control."
Best of luck.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spore Ninja]
#23851933 - 11/20/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't see the mites at all I don't even know if they exist it just all looks like mite damage, and if I prune off all the salvia leaves that look unhealthy then I've left them with nothing. Also, no way my family would let me release mites in the house. They'd rather just have me lose my garden. I guess I could somehow enclose the entire garden and release the mites that way. That just might work.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23852423 - 11/20/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mealybugs maybe?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23852918 - 11/20/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I finally saw the fuckers. I threw out my most infested salvia plant, then cut the rest down to the base where the growth looks healthiest and spraying won't be so difficult. I even got a semi decent picture of the buggers. Going to upload them.
Finally I see where the damage is comign from. I ignored it for so long thinking that they just needed new soil and would bounce back. Lesson learned, always look for insect damage.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23853348 - 11/21/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Guys one more thing. I noticed a couple weeks ago, after my regular watering of my biggest pedro (bought it in 2006, no idea how old it actually is) that a week later the soil had mould all over it. I thought maybe it was because it had gone dormant but none of my other plants seem to have, and it's not very cold in the basement yet, nor have the light cycles changed. Could this be related to the whole garden all dying at once situation? Also, should I try to induce dormancy? I've heard it's healthy for them to have a dormant period. I normally water twice a month, this past month I didn't water for 4 weeks and they look very thirsty so I'm going to water today. I'm not sure indoors under fluorescent lights that they ever go dormant. I dunno though. I've asked this before but never got an answer I fully understood.
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jellyfish said: Yea it was fluffy and white
I have only had mealybugs on my plants above the soil, but they leave a white fluffy cotton like substance, so if the root ones do as well that could be your culprit. If I recall correctly you should un-pot one of them and clear off the soil, looking for the tiny bugs, if you have them spray the roots off with a hose to get rid of them.
Since the damage seems to be at the base of each plant I would suspect that is the cause over rsm, since they will cover everything, but on my cactus focused on the new growth before the flood came and wiped them out. This damage appears to be coming from below, but I am only guessing due to recent issues with rsm and mealys.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: mandrin13]
#23853493 - 11/21/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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On my salvias it's everywhere that's infected though, especially the top parts. Anyways I found the bugs on my salvias and even tossed one of them out so I'll post that when I grab my camera (forgot it at my fams).
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23854303 - 11/21/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I finally saw the fuckers. I threw out my most infested salvia plant, then cut the rest down to the base where the growth looks healthiest and spraying won't be so difficult. I even got a semi decent picture of the buggers. Going to upload them.
Finally I see where the damage is comign from. I ignored it for so long thinking that they just needed new soil and would bounce back. Lesson learned, always look for insect damage.
You need to identify what's causing te damage.
IF it IS mites, you need to follow a systematic plan, instead of ad hoc/random treatments.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23855187 - 11/21/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: On my salvias it's everywhere that's infected though, especially the top parts. Anyways I found the bugs on my salvias and even tossed one of them out so I'll post that when I grab my camera (forgot it at my fams).
Looking at the Salvias, the damage does not appear to be the same as my damage from RSM, your leaves are still pretty green, my leafy plants went white-ish speckled as they sucked the life from the cells. Those Salvias could just have damaged roots from bugs in the soil, you really need to dig a plant up I think, but I stress my lack of experience could cause more harm then good.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: mandrin13]
#23855223 - 11/21/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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R u sure this is rsm??
A rsm infestation would be visibly noticeable w the naked eyes very easily would it not?
Looks like broad mites kinda what I remember seeing at least I'm no expert and haven't had em myself
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#23855286 - 11/21/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, I now see that broad mites do not leave the same tell tale sign as rsm, nasty bitches. I have no idea, good luck.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spore Ninja]
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Alright so I had to sacrifice my biggest salvia. Shitty feeling. But it had no leaves that weren't incredibly damaged, I saw no way for her to recover.
Before being sacrificed:

One of her leaves, finally I see the buggers, they were moving around, took the best pic I could:



Damage:


What remains after chopping off the parts I thought were too far gone:



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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
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Looks like thrips
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I really hate killing things. I used to not even swat mosquito I was such a pacifist. In fact, someone who knew me in person posted on shroomery about having an insane friend who thought mosquitoes were part of life's balance and shouldn't be killed. But I wasn't the one to declare war. How do I fuck these things up?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23855627 - 11/21/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hate to be so repetitive but I used ozone on my thrips
Doesn't kill em but makes em never wanna be around that plant as soon as they realize that plant consistently brings them ozone treatments lol...
So a form of torture I suppose but part of ineoprene gardening. I felt the source was a new bag of soil I brought in the room which contained the thrips
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#23856241 - 11/22/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It does indeed look like thrips. Abamectin or imidacloprid should do the trick, sticky traps and/or Pinguicula plants will cut the numbers down.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LSoares]
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LSoares said: It does indeed look like thrips. Abamectin or imidacloprid should do the trick, sticky traps and/or Pinguicula plants will cut the numbers down.
Abamectin is a miticide, I dont believe it kills thrips (it might). Its the active ingredient in Avid. Imidacloprid (insecticide) will do it. Good luck!
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: oregonshroomers]
#23860268 - 11/23/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks guys
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23861768 - 11/23/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Neem is illegal in Canada
edit: because our government is retarded
The tree, or the oil?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#23862435 - 11/24/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your salvia has thrips, use spinosad. That's the best thing I've ever used for thrips. One or two applications to the leaves and soil surface and they are gone...pretty easy.
I think at least a few of your little lophs have RSM damage too. The mite can be really hard to see without a scope. Some good suggestions on that earlier here- rosemary, neem, lavender, mint. Switching it up is a must and you need to be persistent to break their life cycle.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#23867093 - 11/25/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A fungus spread though my garden very fast this year. It looked alot like what you have going on. No spider mites were present on my crop. It started on the older growth 1st spreading all over the cacti in random splotches. A veteran cacti grower(30 years+) and supports himself through his cacti business said stink bugs can carry a fungus. Basically they bore a hole in them take a bite/drink then crap on the cacti. This combined with a wet/humid environment will allow the fungus to grow. I harvested everything once I realized it was a losing battle even after busting out the agricultural heavy hitting fungicide. Threw out everything that was left after harvest(stumps and soil) then soaked all my pots in a STRONG concentration of the fungicide. Started a new crop so far so good, no sign of the fungus. When cutting up stalks,the ones that were infected the most had a gummy like texture to the flesh the green flesh also had pin head sized white spots throughout, the core was EXTREMELY weak no woody texture, the waxy skin was very thin or not there anymore underneath the fungus. The worst pieces of fungi flesh would remain gummy even after dehydrating for 16 hours. My advice, if whatever you are doing does not starting working get to work harvesting everything and dehydrating it. After a few applications of fungicide and little to no improvement I harvested everything, rinsed/scrubbed off any residual chemical, then dehydrated it. Took weeks. Hundreds of feet. Best of luck mate. Hopefully it's just rsm and not the stink bug fungus. On the bright side..extraction goodies for everyone. (No fungicide carried over)
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23867472 - 11/25/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks like they good vary cold
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Charddog]
#23869632 - 11/26/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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pinedownpioneer said: A fungus spread though my garden very fast this year. It looked alot like what you have going on. No spider mites were present on my crop. It started on the older growth 1st spreading all over the cacti in random splotches. A veteran cacti grower(30 years+) and supports himself through his cacti business said stink bugs can carry a fungus. Basically they bore a hole in them take a bite/drink then crap on the cacti. This combined with a wet/humid environment will allow the fungus to grow. I harvested everything once I realized it was a losing battle even after busting out the agricultural heavy hitting fungicide. Threw out everything that was left after harvest(stumps and soil) then soaked all my pots in a STRONG concentration of the fungicide. Started a new crop so far so good, no sign of the fungus. When cutting up stalks,the ones that were infected the most had a gummy like texture to the flesh the green flesh also had pin head sized white spots throughout, the core was EXTREMELY weak no woody texture, the waxy skin was very thin or not there anymore underneath the fungus. The worst pieces of fungi flesh would remain gummy even after dehydrating for 16 hours. My advice, if whatever you are doing does not starting working get to work harvesting everything and dehydrating it. After a few applications of fungicide and little to no improvement I harvested everything, rinsed/scrubbed off any residual chemical, then dehydrated it. Took weeks. Hundreds of feet. Best of luck mate. Hopefully it's just rsm and not the stink bug fungus. On the bright side..extraction goodies for everyone. (No fungicide carried over)
Thanks a lot for the advice. The issue with scarring seemed to subside last time I treated them with pyrethrum but it came back with a vengeance recently. I took pic today and will update soon. I will look into the fungus thing. Much appreciated, you and everyone else in this thread are making it so I might not lose my garden at all. Much love.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23870371 - 11/26/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Auto correct sucks they look like they got vary cold
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Charddog]
#23870374 - 11/26/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can you tell?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23870453 - 11/26/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Take more pictures of the trich's. The fungus that destroyed my crop seemed to strongly favor trichs. The other species of cacti were not infected or barely at all and spraying got rid of it and these cacti were literally in the middle of the disaster. It destroyed the achuma very fast. I posted some pictures of mine in a thread awhile back.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23870469 - 11/26/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23558431/fpart/1/vc/1 Check out these pictures and compare them to what you got going on. As you can see it can/will get very bad. The large amount of rain and constant high humidity allowed it to rapidly spread. If you have a trich stalk that's seriously infected cut it off then cut it open. Check the green flesh for white pinheads. I don't know what the white dots are but they were present in all the seriously infected in high numbers.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23870953 - 11/27/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I grow indoors so rain isn't an issue. I will take a look at that pic and upload photos tomorrow.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874320 - 11/28/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thrips on my pepper plants I can see sometimes fly around (when I have thrips, that is!) Sm just crawl. I still say spider mites - based on what the damage looks like - but could be thrips also. Thrips I notice first on the new growth being crinkled, not so much the old growth spotted and brown. Both are bitches to kill off. Both are nearly impossible to notice while the infection is in the beginning stages.
Thrips also live in the top layer of the soil. If it's thrips you also need to replace the top of the soil. Say top one inch. You can also try to cover the soil with alu foil. Reflective surface messes with the thrips' "brains". Google that. Just make sure you don't suffocate the Salvias. Apply alu foil loosely and wrap it around the stems.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: purplegills]
#23874325 - 11/28/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My comment is gone and I've typed long. Anyway I was trying to say that thrips damage I notice mainly on the new growth coming in crinkled and distorted, not so much the old growth being spotted and brown/bronze. I think it's mites but could be thrips. If it's thrips then remove and replace the top 1" of the soil also, and read up on reflective mulch or alu foil to cover the soil surface under the plants. This will disorient the thrips and make them leave. Make sure you apply it loose enough not to suffocate the Salvias. Use that in combination with other methods, not instead. Try to water in neem oil rather than spray lots of chemicals on such stressed plants. Maybe insecticidal soap which is harmless for plants, but try not to go heavy on garlic, capsaicin sprays or similar because the plants looks already like they're fed up and those things can burn them.
Update And now I can see my comment did post; twice. Oh well. In that case, other stuff that supposedly works for thrips: diatomaceous earth (DE) - white powder, NOT the kind that's sold for pool water filter purposes but the food grade stuff. Google that. Basically you need to dust the plant and the soil with DE and it will cut the soft bodied insects into pieces. It works only until it gets wet again. So after every watering, spraying etc you need to dust again.
What I know is that I struggled with thrips for nearly a year on my chilli plants and I tried most everything I posted and yet I had to just throw away everything in that room and not grow a single plant for the rest of the year to get rid of them. Try Google the DE and the alu foil anyway. Good luck!
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: purplegills]
#23874593 - 11/28/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874630 - 11/28/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever had the impression you were just bitten by some bastard while messing with your plants? (Some) thrips can bite people. They're tiny and so is the damage they do to humans but it's noticeable. That would be another hint that you're dealing with thrips and not spider mites.
One more thing I recall I did was to replace top layer of soil with coarse, sharp sand, not just new soil. They pupate in the soil and when they want to emerge they either can't make it through 1/2-1" of sand or they just get cut in pieces. Or better, sand plus DE on top. Only issue I had with sand is that if you don't wash it first to remove the fines it can form a crust on top when it dries out. Surely no thrips will make it through that, but it can suffocate the plant too. So if you do this then check and if necessary, loosen it up with something.
And the bright yellow sticky traps may also work to reduce (but not eliminate) the population. Not the blue ones!
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874777 - 11/28/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#23877486 - 11/29/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
Spinosad.
Thanks. Will find it. Also, someone who has a great reputation for growing lophs and is basically a master told me my lophs are too far gone and the time it would take to save them would honestly be longer than if I started again from seed. So I think I might toss them, at least the really bad ones. Clean the pots. And then when I feel comfortable I have over 100 loph seeds to plant and a lot of pereskiopsis I just fail every time I graft since I have a shaky hand. I feel grafting would help me catch up with size and also spider mites tend to attack the base of plants. I have a modified scalpel with a sharp razor at the end, and parafilm but I have never tried the parafilm or had any graft not shrivel and fall off in a day or two. Someone PM'd me once about how I should try impaling grafts. Maybe I will only throw out my worst lophs and try to impale the best ones. I want to ask for grafting advice but people have PM'd me so many times and they get lost in my PMs. If someone could link me to a guide that works for them I'd appreciate it. What do you guys think about trying to graft my least damaged peyotes after a few more sprays of end-all and then trying to graft them?
Doing some massive uploads now so pics coming soon.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899601 - 12/06/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been told to get rid of my peyotes. The grower I got the seeds from told me it will take less time to start from seed again then fix the insect problem and wait for the them outgrow the damage. Thinking of taking best ones and trying to do impale graft on my peres, tossing the rest and starting over much more carefully with a pocket microscope and a better eye for insect damage










My peres need some work:

Rest of garden seems okay:

My salvias still look pretty shitty but I think the poison has been helping with the thrips. Don't see as many as I'm seeing some new growth. Will post pics when I can. Actually wtf I'm so lazy sometimes I'll post them now:

I'm hoping I can save at least one. Dream herb looking like trash. My family member won't let me spray his shitty dying oregano because he apparently uses it for cooking despite it being so small, so I'm afraid it will act as a reservoir for the thrips.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899911 - 12/06/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd fucking eat them before I toss them in the trash...
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899936 - 12/06/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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jellyfish said: Been told to get rid of my peyotes. The grower I got the seeds from told me it will take less time to start from seed again then fix the insect problem and wait for the them outgrow the damage. Thinking of taking best ones and trying to do impale graft on my peres, tossing the rest and starting over much more carefully with a pocket microscope and a better eye for insect damage










My peres need some work:

Rest of garden seems okay:

My salvias still look pretty shitty but I think the poison has been helping with the thrips. Don't see as many as I'm seeing some new growth. Will post pics when I can. Actually wtf I'm so lazy sometimes I'll post them now:

I'm hoping I can save at least one. Dream herb looking like trash. My family member won't let me spray his shitty dying oregano because he apparently uses it for cooking despite it being so small, so I'm afraid it will act as a reservoir for the thrips.
Get rid of them? Man what misinformation. I would get a fan, circulate that air and uproot those babies. I mean if they are uprooted and have clean roots, whats been kiloing them? Youll see it.
So i say uproot them. Clean off the roots. Isolate them. Throw away the soil and disinfect the shit out of everything. Go full anal. Ever nook and cranny.
They look good regardless. Cacti are very hard to kill. Now the rest leafy plants, thats your call man. Thats just me. Mother nature has been taking care of my babies so she takes care of all the outbreaks and shit.

Hope it all works out.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23900057 - 12/06/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Person who told me to get rid of them has given me a lot of advice in the past and is well known as being very good with cacti.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23900072 - 12/06/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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jellyfish said: Person who told me to get rid of them has given me a lot of advice in the past and is well known as being very good with cacti.
Well then. Ill send you a
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23927828 - 12/14/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I finally got neem oil. Going to spend all Sunday working on my garden, taking pics and applying the neem. I'll update soon after. The salvias look like they might pull through but there's like a white powdery material on their leaves I want advice on. Thanks to everyone in this thread who helped me out. Much love.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23929176 - 12/15/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna do some experiments. Youtube is showing a neem tree, closely related to our common Chinaberry, and coconut oil is being infused with the foliage.
If people in an indie market are really concerned with this method, then, let them know what stuff is, and where it comes from. 
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish] 1
#23954972 - 12/24/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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White powder on leaves is almost always powdery mildew or scale insects.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#24015585 - 01/16/17 07:06 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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So I mixed up the neem oil and tried it on a plant and I'm just waiting to see if it helps. I couldn't find unscented dish soap to use and I didn't want to use something with colour and added scents but I really wanted to try and deal with the bug issue. One of my salvias has bounced back. It makes sense for me to just toss the infested ones so my good one doesn't get infested but then I'm left with one salvia. My country banned it and although all corner stores in my area sell 20x extract and the police don't care, getting a replacement plant has become impossible. Possession of leaves is okay, just not growing or selling leaves or extract.
The two shitty ones are infested with little translucent insects that I can't see to get a good picture of. Can't tell if they are thrips. They kind of move like worms. I know I should throw our the infested ones to keep my good one from getting sick but if it does get sick then I will end up with nothing and no way to replacr them. I've had them for 11 years. I don't like using salvia, haven't used it in almost 10 years, and see the only purpose of the drug to help deal with addiction as I feel it resets all my habits. But I feel the plant is going to go extinct in the wild due to its lack of ability to sexually reproduce and I want to have some partly cause my ethnobotanical garden would not be the same without it and party because I want to help preserve an endangered species. I have a flow hood, if I knew more about growing plant tissue on agar I would make some tissue cultures of my sick plants and then toss the rest as to not spread insects.
I will post pics shorty, but was unable to photograph the bugs, they are small and worm-like and move way too quick and my camera can't zoom in well enough to get a good picture.
Thanks for all the help everyone in this thread has been. I took pics today. Just need to upload them.
The neem oil calls for adding a bit of mild dish soap as an emulsifier. I just can't seem to find a brand that is not dyed or scented. I was even hoping to water my infested plants with it as the directions on the neem oil say you can water with them to help kill insects in soil.
Really appreciate all the help given here.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24016985 - 01/17/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Dr B ronners soap
Food co op or natural food mart organic store ect
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#24028962 - 01/21/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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So my bottle of neem oil says that you can use "pro-tekt" instead of dish soap as an emulsified. I don't have that but I do have a bottle of potassium silicate sold at hydroponics stores for us as pH-up. Do you guys think this will work. I want to throw out my 2 infested salvias before the bugs spread to my good one because I can't replace them here in Canada. Going to give neem oil a final shot tomorrow.
Here are pics of the infested plants followed by 2 pics of the good one.

The good one has bounced back quite a bit since page one of this thread and I really don't want it to get infested too. I can't even tell what these insects are. Like little transulecent worms on the soil. Going to try neem one last time tomorrow before I toss the 2 sick ones, I just know if my last one gets ill I will have no backups and although corner stores still sell 20x extract all over my city, growing has been banned.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ballsalsa]
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I share garden and others wont allow it
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24038792 - 01/25/17 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Translucent worms in the soil sound like fungus gnat larvae, do you have gnats flying around anywhere? I've had their larvae destroy seedlings and small cuttings.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#24038871 - 01/25/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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You could get predatory mites or ladybugs, use some diatomaceous earth, neem, I had success with a tobacco water spray. Also I am not sure but it looked like the salvias might be burned, maybe move the lights a little further away
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24040138 - 01/25/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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wait people you share the garden with wont allow you to use predatory insects?
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Yea they are squeamish. I mean, I would put the plants into a terrarium the insects can't escape from but even still. I could move my garden to where I live now, just a PITA. But the people who it is currently with kind of suck at gardening and they don't take such good care of their plants. My garden is also where they've put the cats litter box so any bugs stuck to her fur end up in my area. I guess I never thought I'd be living where I am long enough to warrant moving everything but I've been here for a year. The reason that post was so short is my keyboard was broken and I had to type that with my mouse, but yea, that's the situation. When it warms up and I'm not afraid of subjecting my plants to sub freezing temperatures I guess I'll move everything to where I live now. It's just kind of nice they have a drain in their floor in that room so I can be sloppy when I water and they have a bigger sink and stuff. And water my plants when I'm away. Oh well. So far I don't see any of those bugs since I watered with diluted neem oil.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24077474 - 02/09/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just an update. That neem oil actually fucking did some serious damage to those buggers. I have not seen one insect since I sprayed and watered with a mix of neem oil, potassium silicate and fucking palmolive dish soap. One of my salvias is getting greener, the other one still looks like shit and the last one has become a beast. Healthiest they've been in a while. I got them 11 years ago. Jesus christ. Anyways, pics coming soon. No point in me making a new thread I'm just real happy.
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You should get some neem cake/meal for the soil as well.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: El Torcho]
#24083099 - 02/11/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cinnamon, cloves, 5-spice, and related oils, are generally recognized as safe for people to get on their skin and even to eat. They kill mold and deter insects, when they are still fresh and pungent.
As I investigate neem oil, the tree itself is not oily, but is a preparation, requiring foodsafe oils, which are sometimes considered helpful, even without the neem tree.
I don't feel that neem is harmful and would resent being micromonagaed, personally.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
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it actually is oily but it gets aldulterated for retail products, i imagine this would bring down the cost and possibly have other benefits too
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24083672 - 02/12/17 02:54 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you mean by micromanaged in this context
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24083758 - 02/12/17 04:35 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: As I investigate neem oil, the tree itself is not oily, but is a preparation, requiring foodsafe oils, which are sometimes considered helpful, even without the neem tree.
I don't feel that neem is harmful and would resent being micromonagaed, personally. 
Neem oil is made from the neem tree alone. It is not adulterated with anything, assuming you buy a quality oil. It is pressed from the neem seed, leaving you with oil and leftover cake.
Neem has been used for thousands of years by humans. It's called the "village pharmacy" in many places. The oil is not meant to be taken internally, but other parts of the neem tree can be.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24084376 - 02/12/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: What do you mean by micromanaged in this context
The way the people you're "sharing" the garden with are calling the shots.
That's no way to share. Assert yourself and inform them about the benefits of neem.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
#24084410 - 02/12/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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They're family and older than me. I do w.e. my elders say. And they don't have an issue with neem they have an issue with pyrethrum (don't like the smell, don't believe it's non-toxic to mammals, don't listen to me despite my multiple chemistry degrees) and bringing predatory insects into the house. If it weren't for them all my plants would be dead. I haven't been over in weeks, I want to take pics to show you guys how much my plants have recovered but I've been so busy. If they didn't water my salvia and dream herb they'd be dead. If they didn't call me when they noticed something looked sick, they'd be dead. I don't let them water my cacti though cause they can tolerate time without water and I only ever water them with diluted, pH adjusted fertilizer.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24084415 - 02/12/17 11:01 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: They're family and older than me. I do w.e. my elders say.
Understood, gotta respect the family. I was under the impression they were just some roommates or something.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
#24084426 - 02/12/17 11:07 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I try to be vague because despite me telling them the cacti are legal, they've blown up at me once before for showing my uncle my peyote. Thinking he would tell everyone or try to steal them to sell as drugs. They are very very very small little babies and they're legal in Canada. So they've let me know they don't want anyone knowing that I have peyote and I try to respect that but like they're not even banned.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24084455 - 02/12/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Thinking he would tell everyone or try to steal them to sell as drugs.So they've let me know they don't want anyone knowing that I have peyote
Sounds reasonable enough to me. It's always a smart move to keep things like that under wraps.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
#24084550 - 02/12/17 11:45 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Predatory nematodes. They stay in the soil, non-toxic, and work amazingly well. Gets rid of fungal gnats larvae too. Also blue traps will help with the thrips, yellow traps for fungal gnats.
As to the use of pyrethrins and/or insecticidal soap such as "Safers", yeah they are going to fuck up your plants. Neem is more of a deterrent the bugs don't like the smell. Azamax the more concentrated form of neem is a decent product. Neem is a coating and the plant doesn't like it all that much in terms of transpiration. Some are addicted to neem it's an overrated product. I'd say quit spraying anything on your plants is the best bet. Spinosad maybe if you want to spray something. Neem won't kill the bugs once they are there, Azamax will only do so much. DE is a waste of time. Removing an inch of soil is a really bad idea. The Pro-Tekt is a good product, toughens up the plant they love the silica and also the bugs don't want to chew on a tough plant. Maybe every third watering. That's the other issue, what really is your water source and mineral content and pH starting out? Just adding nutrients and acid may not be enough. Maybe you need RO.
http://www.naturescontrol.com/thrip.html
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24084779 - 02/12/17 01:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't have proteck but I have potassium silicate solution. I haven't seen any insects since I sprayed with neem. I only sprayed once and the plants look a lot healthier but yea you're right about transpiration I didn't think of that. Sadly I can't use predatory insects because I keep them at my families place and one of them is stubbornly against it. He really doesn't care if my garden dies at all he promised me that he would only put plants he's grown from seed in my grow space because I'm so sick of insects and then he brings home this dying oregano plant that infected my whole garden and when I asked him about the grown from seed thing he said he bought it from a greenhouse, that greenhouses don't have insects, and that they grew it from seed. So like I can't even argue. Greenhouses don't have insects.... I used to work at a nursery half my job was dealing with insects.
Sadly I don't have the money right now to set up lights and stuff at my apartment. Didn't graduate from uni too long ago. But I'm sure florescents don't cost too much maybe I should go for it next paycheque. Where I live is pretty nasty though. Mould grows on the walls, dust everywhere, silverfish and until recently, termites. I'm surprised I'm able to grow mushrooms, I have a flow hood but even still, it's so nasty where I live. When my mum saw it she was like no please don't move here come live with us but my dad wouldn't have it.
Water source is toronto tap water and it comes out close to pH 7 so I acidify it for my cacti but not for any of my other plants. Don't know the mineral content but I'll look it up
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24085345 - 02/12/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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The predatory nematodes aren't an insect, they are a nematode that gets watered into the soil. They hunt down and kill soil eggs and larvae and eat them. You won't see them or know they are there other than no more thrips once they break that life cycle.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24085461 - 02/12/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh sorry I don't know much about nematodes I admit. Maybe I will just get some and plead ignorance if they are noticed. My uncle just likes saying no to me because he's the dominant male of the house. Every once in a while he has to disagree and not allow something no matter how reasonable it is. He also really really really sucks at gardening. When I was a kid he wouldn't let me feed my venus fly trap because he told me it would catch flys on its own. Inside. He's always doing weird shit like trying to grow tomatoes upside down when he can't grow them right side up to begin with. He made a greenhouse using cheap plastic that isn't even transparent it's translucent and he didn't even look into what the plastic was to check if it's penetrable by UV or not. I thought one of his cucumbers was a pumpkin that's how deformed it was. I have no idea how he used to grow shrooms. When I was a kid he tried to teach me and he used a glass butter container as a petri dish and his sterile work consisted of working in the kitchen under the stove fan. Kinda like a flow hood except dust is being swirled around in the air. The only time I got shrooms to grow successfully is when I waited for him to go to work, skipped school and then did it myself. Otherwise he'd be like "why are you pressure cooking for 45 minutes that's a waste of gas ten minutes should be fine" for rye jars.... Thought I was retarded for pasteurizing my bulk sub.
Just thought I'd share some family stories. Do you think anyone would even notice the nematodes?
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24085487 - 02/12/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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The only way you can even see them is under the microscope. They live in the soil.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24085506 - 02/12/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool dude. Thanks so much. I'll look into where I can source them from and get on that. I really do love gardening and I used to work in a greenhouse and then a nursery and I was in charge of the greenhouse at my high school but like I'm an organic chemist and I don't get as much time with my plants as I should. I'm always so busy learning about chemistry that I don't even know what nematodes are and like, I want to be a green thumb. I am the green thumb of the family (and the white thumb too) but that isn't saying too much. I want to get into tissue culture since I have a flow hood. Thanks again for the advice.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24085552 - 02/12/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey you're welcome. That link I sent you is a good source, the "double death" is nice because you have two kinds of predatory nematodes that go to different depths. Another source is beneficialinsectary.com don't get thrown off by the name. Both places sell the sticky traps which are effective on the adults. Keep them from laying eggs once they are "stuck" and kill the eggs and larvae with the nematodes.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24085564 - 02/12/17 05:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haven't checked the links out yet (still at work) but keep in mind I live in Canada.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: El Torcho]
#24097697 - 02/17/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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El Torcho said: Neem oil is made from the neem tree alone. It is not adulterated with anything, assuming you buy a quality oil. It is pressed from the neem seed, leaving you with oil and leftover cake.
Neem has been used for thousands of years by humans. It's called the "village pharmacy" in many places. The oil is not meant to be taken internally, but other parts of the neem tree can be.
I have an oil press, and am learning to distill essential oils, although I would not consider myself to be an expert.
I am seeing a preparation, in which neem leaves are being macerated with cooking oils, somewhat along the lines of enfleurage.
I am also finding, by way of direct experimentation, that other, GRAS, aromatic plant materials do kill occasional garden pests.
It's not that I have a problem with neem.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24098043 - 02/17/17 02:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: I have an oil press, and am learning to distill essential oils, although I would not consider myself to be an expert.
I am seeing a preparation, in which neem leaves are being macerated with cooking oils, somewhat along the lines of enfleurage.
Neem oil is made from pressing the seed. It's not an enfleurage, steam distillate, or infused cooking oil.
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I dislike (!) the HOA god complexes, but I think they can be accommodated, here.
Sorry you perceived my reply to your ignorance (check the definition before your feelings get hurt, again) as an "HOA god complex". Some people just can't stand to be corrected I guess. . . .
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