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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24084376 - 02/12/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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What do you mean by micromanaged in this context




The way the people you're "sharing" the garden with are calling the shots.

That's no way to share. Assert yourself and inform them about the benefits of neem.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
    #24084410 - 02/12/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

They're family and older than me. I do w.e. my elders say. And they don't have an issue with neem they have an issue with pyrethrum (don't like the smell, don't believe it's non-toxic to mammals, don't listen to me despite my multiple chemistry degrees) and bringing predatory insects into the house. If it weren't for them all my plants would be dead. I haven't been over in weeks, I want to take pics to show you guys how much my plants have recovered but I've been so busy. If they didn't water my salvia and dream herb they'd be dead. If they didn't call me when they noticed something looked sick, they'd be dead. I don't let them water my cacti though cause they can tolerate time without water and I only ever water them with diluted, pH adjusted fertilizer.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24084415 - 02/12/17 11:01 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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They're family and older than me. I do w.e. my elders say.




Understood, gotta respect the family. I was under the impression they were just some roommates or something.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
    #24084426 - 02/12/17 11:07 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I try to be vague because despite me telling them the cacti are legal, they've blown up at me once before for showing my uncle my peyote. Thinking he would tell everyone or try to steal them to sell as drugs. They are very very very small little babies and they're legal in Canada. So they've let me know they don't want anyone knowing that I have peyote and I try to respect that but like they're not even banned.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24084455 - 02/12/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Thinking he would tell everyone or try to steal them to sell as drugs.So they've let me know they don't want anyone knowing that I have peyote




Sounds reasonable enough to me. It's always a smart move to keep things like that under wraps.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: 1234go]
    #24084550 - 02/12/17 11:45 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Predatory nematodes.  They stay in the soil, non-toxic, and work amazingly well.  Gets rid of fungal gnats larvae too.  Also blue traps will help with the thrips, yellow traps for fungal gnats.

As to the use of pyrethrins and/or insecticidal soap such as "Safers", yeah they are going to fuck up your plants.  Neem is more of a deterrent the bugs don't like the smell.  Azamax the more concentrated form of neem is a decent product.  Neem is a coating and the plant doesn't like it all that much in terms of transpiration.  Some are addicted to neem it's an overrated product.  I'd say quit spraying anything on your plants is the best bet.  Spinosad maybe if you want to spray something.  Neem won't kill the bugs once they are there, Azamax will only do so much.  DE is a waste of time.  Removing an inch of soil is a really bad idea. The Pro-Tekt is a good product, toughens up the plant they love the silica and also the bugs don't want to chew on a tough plant.  Maybe every third watering.  That's the other issue, what really is your water source and mineral content and pH starting out?  Just adding nutrients and acid may not be enough.  Maybe you need RO.

http://www.naturescontrol.com/thrip.html


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24084779 - 02/12/17 01:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have proteck but I have potassium silicate solution. I haven't seen any insects since I sprayed with neem. I only sprayed once and the plants look a lot healthier but yea you're right about transpiration I didn't think of that. Sadly I can't use predatory insects because I keep them at my families place and one of them is stubbornly against it. He really doesn't care if my garden dies at all he promised me that he would only put plants he's grown from seed in my grow space because I'm so sick of insects and then he brings home this dying oregano plant that infected my whole garden and when I asked him about the grown from seed thing he said he bought it from a greenhouse, that greenhouses don't have insects, and that they grew it from seed. So like I can't even argue. Greenhouses don't have insects.... I used to work at a nursery half my job was dealing with insects.

Sadly I don't have the money right now to set up lights and stuff at my apartment. Didn't graduate from uni too long ago. But I'm sure florescents don't cost too much maybe I should go for it next paycheque. Where I live is pretty nasty though. Mould grows on the walls, dust everywhere, silverfish and until recently, termites. I'm surprised I'm able to grow mushrooms, I have a flow hood but even still, it's so nasty where I live. When my mum saw it she was like no please don't move here come live with us but my dad wouldn't have it.

Water source is toronto tap water and it comes out close to pH 7 so I acidify it for my cacti but not for any of my other plants. Don't know the mineral content but I'll look it up


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24085345 - 02/12/17 03:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

The predatory nematodes aren't an insect, they are a nematode that gets watered into the soil.  They hunt down and kill soil eggs and larvae and eat them.  You won't see them or know they are there other than no more thrips once they break that life cycle.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24085461 - 02/12/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Oh sorry I don't know much about nematodes I admit. Maybe I will just get some and plead ignorance if they are noticed. My uncle just likes saying no to me because he's the dominant male of the house. Every once in a while he has to disagree and not allow something no matter how reasonable it is. He also really really really sucks at gardening. When I was a kid he wouldn't let me feed my venus fly trap because he told me it would catch flys on its own. Inside. He's always doing weird shit like trying to grow tomatoes upside down when he can't grow them right side up to begin with. He made a greenhouse using cheap plastic that isn't even transparent it's translucent and he didn't even look into what the plastic was to check if it's penetrable by UV or not. I thought one of his cucumbers was a pumpkin that's how deformed it was. I have no idea how he used to grow shrooms. When I was a kid he tried to teach me and he used a glass butter container as a petri dish and his sterile work consisted of working in the kitchen under the stove fan. Kinda like a flow hood except dust is being swirled around in the air. :facepalm: The only time I got shrooms to grow successfully is when I waited for him to go to work, skipped school and then did it myself. Otherwise he'd be like "why are you pressure cooking for 45 minutes that's a waste of gas ten minutes should be fine" for rye jars.... Thought I was retarded for pasteurizing my bulk sub.

Just thought I'd share some family stories. Do you think anyone would even notice the nematodes?


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24085487 - 02/12/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

The only way you can even see them is under the microscope.  They live in the soil.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24085506 - 02/12/17 05:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Cool dude. Thanks so much. I'll look into where I can source them from and get on that. I really do love gardening and I used to work in a greenhouse and then a nursery and I was in charge of the greenhouse at my high school but like I'm an organic chemist and I don't get as much time with my plants as I should. I'm always so busy learning about chemistry that I don't even know what nematodes are and like, I want to be a green thumb. I am the green thumb of the family (and the white thumb too) but that isn't saying too much. I want to get into tissue culture since I have a flow hood. Thanks again for the advice.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #24085552 - 02/12/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hey you're welcome.  That link I sent you is a good source, the "double death" is nice because you have two kinds of predatory nematodes that go to different depths.  Another source is beneficialinsectary.com don't get thrown off by the name.  Both places sell the sticky traps which are effective on the adults.  Keep them from laying eggs once they are "stuck" and kill the eggs and larvae with the nematodes.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24085564 - 02/12/17 05:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Haven't checked the links out yet (still at work) but keep in mind I live in Canada.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: El Torcho]
    #24097697 - 02/17/17 12:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Neem oil is made from the neem tree alone. It is not adulterated with anything, assuming you buy a quality oil. It is pressed from the neem seed, leaving you with oil and leftover cake.

Neem has been used for thousands of years by humans. It's called the "village pharmacy" in many places. The oil is not meant to be taken internally, but other parts of the neem tree can be.




I have an oil press, and am learning to distill essential oils, although I would not consider myself to be an expert.

I am seeing a preparation, in which neem leaves are being macerated with cooking oils, somewhat along the lines of enfleurage.

I am also finding, by way of direct experimentation, that other, GRAS, aromatic plant materials do kill occasional garden pests.

It's not that I have a problem with neem.

I dislike (!) the HOA god complexes, but I think they can be accommodated, here.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
    #24098043 - 02/17/17 02:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I have an oil press, and am learning to distill essential oils, although I would not consider myself to be an expert.

I am seeing a preparation, in which neem leaves are being macerated with cooking oils, somewhat along the lines of enfleurage.




Neem oil is made from pressing the seed. It's not an enfleurage, steam distillate, or infused cooking oil.

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I dislike (!) the HOA god complexes, but I think they can be accommodated, here.




Sorry you perceived my reply to your ignorance (check the definition before your feelings get hurt, again) as an "HOA god complex". Some people just can't stand to be corrected I guess. . . .

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