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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23900057 - 12/06/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Person who told me to get rid of them has given me a lot of advice in the past and is well known as being very good with cacti.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23900072 - 12/06/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
jellyfish said: Person who told me to get rid of them has given me a lot of advice in the past and is well known as being very good with cacti.
Well then. Ill send you a
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23927828 - 12/14/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I finally got neem oil. Going to spend all Sunday working on my garden, taking pics and applying the neem. I'll update soon after. The salvias look like they might pull through but there's like a white powdery material on their leaves I want advice on. Thanks to everyone in this thread who helped me out. Much love.
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durian_2008
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23929176 - 12/15/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm gonna do some experiments. Youtube is showing a neem tree, closely related to our common Chinaberry, and coconut oil is being infused with the foliage.
If people in an indie market are really concerned with this method, then, let them know what stuff is, and where it comes from. 
If people want participation in a controlled market, let them guarantee a dividend.
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hummingbird

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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish] 1
#23954972 - 12/24/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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White powder on leaves is almost always powdery mildew or scale insects.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#24015585 - 01/16/17 07:06 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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So I mixed up the neem oil and tried it on a plant and I'm just waiting to see if it helps. I couldn't find unscented dish soap to use and I didn't want to use something with colour and added scents but I really wanted to try and deal with the bug issue. One of my salvias has bounced back. It makes sense for me to just toss the infested ones so my good one doesn't get infested but then I'm left with one salvia. My country banned it and although all corner stores in my area sell 20x extract and the police don't care, getting a replacement plant has become impossible. Possession of leaves is okay, just not growing or selling leaves or extract.
The two shitty ones are infested with little translucent insects that I can't see to get a good picture of. Can't tell if they are thrips. They kind of move like worms. I know I should throw our the infested ones to keep my good one from getting sick but if it does get sick then I will end up with nothing and no way to replacr them. I've had them for 11 years. I don't like using salvia, haven't used it in almost 10 years, and see the only purpose of the drug to help deal with addiction as I feel it resets all my habits. But I feel the plant is going to go extinct in the wild due to its lack of ability to sexually reproduce and I want to have some partly cause my ethnobotanical garden would not be the same without it and party because I want to help preserve an endangered species. I have a flow hood, if I knew more about growing plant tissue on agar I would make some tissue cultures of my sick plants and then toss the rest as to not spread insects.
I will post pics shorty, but was unable to photograph the bugs, they are small and worm-like and move way too quick and my camera can't zoom in well enough to get a good picture.
Thanks for all the help everyone in this thread has been. I took pics today. Just need to upload them.
The neem oil calls for adding a bit of mild dish soap as an emulsifier. I just can't seem to find a brand that is not dyed or scented. I was even hoping to water my infested plants with it as the directions on the neem oil say you can water with them to help kill insects in soil.
Really appreciate all the help given here.
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Raven44
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24016985 - 01/17/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Dr B ronners soap
Food co op or natural food mart organic store ect
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#24028962 - 01/21/17 07:05 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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So my bottle of neem oil says that you can use "pro-tekt" instead of dish soap as an emulsified. I don't have that but I do have a bottle of potassium silicate sold at hydroponics stores for us as pH-up. Do you guys think this will work. I want to throw out my 2 infested salvias before the bugs spread to my good one because I can't replace them here in Canada. Going to give neem oil a final shot tomorrow.
Here are pics of the infested plants followed by 2 pics of the good one.

The good one has bounced back quite a bit since page one of this thread and I really don't want it to get infested too. I can't even tell what these insects are. Like little transulecent worms on the soil. Going to try neem one last time tomorrow before I toss the 2 sick ones, I just know if my last one gets ill I will have no backups and although corner stores still sell 20x extract all over my city, growing has been banned.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24029023 - 01/21/17 07:44 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ballsalsa]
#24029063 - 01/21/17 08:13 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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I share garden and others wont allow it
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hummingbird

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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24038792 - 01/25/17 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Translucent worms in the soil sound like fungus gnat larvae, do you have gnats flying around anywhere? I've had their larvae destroy seedlings and small cuttings.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#24038871 - 01/25/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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You could get predatory mites or ladybugs, use some diatomaceous earth, neem, I had success with a tobacco water spray. Also I am not sure but it looked like the salvias might be burned, maybe move the lights a little further away
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Intelligentxfruit
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24040138 - 01/25/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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jellyfish said: I share garden and others wont allow it
wait people you share the garden with wont allow you to use predatory insects?
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Intelligentxfruit] 1
#24040770 - 01/26/17 09:37 AM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yea they are squeamish. I mean, I would put the plants into a terrarium the insects can't escape from but even still. I could move my garden to where I live now, just a PITA. But the people who it is currently with kind of suck at gardening and they don't take such good care of their plants. My garden is also where they've put the cats litter box so any bugs stuck to her fur end up in my area. I guess I never thought I'd be living where I am long enough to warrant moving everything but I've been here for a year. The reason that post was so short is my keyboard was broken and I had to type that with my mouse, but yea, that's the situation. When it warms up and I'm not afraid of subjecting my plants to sub freezing temperatures I guess I'll move everything to where I live now. It's just kind of nice they have a drain in their floor in that room so I can be sloppy when I water and they have a bigger sink and stuff. And water my plants when I'm away. Oh well. So far I don't see any of those bugs since I watered with diluted neem oil.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#24077474 - 02/09/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just an update. That neem oil actually fucking did some serious damage to those buggers. I have not seen one insect since I sprayed and watered with a mix of neem oil, potassium silicate and fucking palmolive dish soap. One of my salvias is getting greener, the other one still looks like shit and the last one has become a beast. Healthiest they've been in a while. I got them 11 years ago. Jesus christ. Anyways, pics coming soon. No point in me making a new thread I'm just real happy.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish] 1
#24077794 - 02/09/17 04:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should get some neem cake/meal for the soil as well.
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durian_2008
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: El Torcho]
#24083099 - 02/11/17 07:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cinnamon, cloves, 5-spice, and related oils, are generally recognized as safe for people to get on their skin and even to eat. They kill mold and deter insects, when they are still fresh and pungent.
As I investigate neem oil, the tree itself is not oily, but is a preparation, requiring foodsafe oils, which are sometimes considered helpful, even without the neem tree.
I don't feel that neem is harmful and would resent being micromonagaed, personally.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24083135 - 02/11/17 08:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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it actually is oily but it gets aldulterated for retail products, i imagine this would bring down the cost and possibly have other benefits too
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24083672 - 02/12/17 02:54 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you mean by micromanaged in this context
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El Torcho
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#24083758 - 02/12/17 04:35 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: As I investigate neem oil, the tree itself is not oily, but is a preparation, requiring foodsafe oils, which are sometimes considered helpful, even without the neem tree.
I don't feel that neem is harmful and would resent being micromonagaed, personally. 
Neem oil is made from the neem tree alone. It is not adulterated with anything, assuming you buy a quality oil. It is pressed from the neem seed, leaving you with oil and leftover cake.
Neem has been used for thousands of years by humans. It's called the "village pharmacy" in many places. The oil is not meant to be taken internally, but other parts of the neem tree can be.
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