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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: oregonshroomers]
#23860268 - 11/23/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks guys
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durian_2008
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23861768 - 11/23/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Neem is illegal in Canada
edit: because our government is retarded
The tree, or the oil?
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hummingbird

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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: durian_2008]
#23862435 - 11/24/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your salvia has thrips, use spinosad. That's the best thing I've ever used for thrips. One or two applications to the leaves and soil surface and they are gone...pretty easy.
I think at least a few of your little lophs have RSM damage too. The mite can be really hard to see without a scope. Some good suggestions on that earlier here- rosemary, neem, lavender, mint. Switching it up is a must and you need to be persistent to break their life cycle.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#23867093 - 11/25/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A fungus spread though my garden very fast this year. It looked alot like what you have going on. No spider mites were present on my crop. It started on the older growth 1st spreading all over the cacti in random splotches. A veteran cacti grower(30 years+) and supports himself through his cacti business said stink bugs can carry a fungus. Basically they bore a hole in them take a bite/drink then crap on the cacti. This combined with a wet/humid environment will allow the fungus to grow. I harvested everything once I realized it was a losing battle even after busting out the agricultural heavy hitting fungicide. Threw out everything that was left after harvest(stumps and soil) then soaked all my pots in a STRONG concentration of the fungicide. Started a new crop so far so good, no sign of the fungus. When cutting up stalks,the ones that were infected the most had a gummy like texture to the flesh the green flesh also had pin head sized white spots throughout, the core was EXTREMELY weak no woody texture, the waxy skin was very thin or not there anymore underneath the fungus. The worst pieces of fungi flesh would remain gummy even after dehydrating for 16 hours. My advice, if whatever you are doing does not starting working get to work harvesting everything and dehydrating it. After a few applications of fungicide and little to no improvement I harvested everything, rinsed/scrubbed off any residual chemical, then dehydrated it. Took weeks. Hundreds of feet. Best of luck mate. Hopefully it's just rsm and not the stink bug fungus. On the bright side..extraction goodies for everyone. (No fungicide carried over)
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23867472 - 11/25/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It looks like they good vary cold
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Charddog]
#23869632 - 11/26/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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pinedownpioneer said: A fungus spread though my garden very fast this year. It looked alot like what you have going on. No spider mites were present on my crop. It started on the older growth 1st spreading all over the cacti in random splotches. A veteran cacti grower(30 years+) and supports himself through his cacti business said stink bugs can carry a fungus. Basically they bore a hole in them take a bite/drink then crap on the cacti. This combined with a wet/humid environment will allow the fungus to grow. I harvested everything once I realized it was a losing battle even after busting out the agricultural heavy hitting fungicide. Threw out everything that was left after harvest(stumps and soil) then soaked all my pots in a STRONG concentration of the fungicide. Started a new crop so far so good, no sign of the fungus. When cutting up stalks,the ones that were infected the most had a gummy like texture to the flesh the green flesh also had pin head sized white spots throughout, the core was EXTREMELY weak no woody texture, the waxy skin was very thin or not there anymore underneath the fungus. The worst pieces of fungi flesh would remain gummy even after dehydrating for 16 hours. My advice, if whatever you are doing does not starting working get to work harvesting everything and dehydrating it. After a few applications of fungicide and little to no improvement I harvested everything, rinsed/scrubbed off any residual chemical, then dehydrated it. Took weeks. Hundreds of feet. Best of luck mate. Hopefully it's just rsm and not the stink bug fungus. On the bright side..extraction goodies for everyone. (No fungicide carried over)
Thanks a lot for the advice. The issue with scarring seemed to subside last time I treated them with pyrethrum but it came back with a vengeance recently. I took pic today and will update soon. I will look into the fungus thing. Much appreciated, you and everyone else in this thread are making it so I might not lose my garden at all. Much love.
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Charddog said: It looks like they good vary cold
What? I don't follow.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23870371 - 11/26/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Auto correct sucks they look like they got vary cold
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Charddog]
#23870374 - 11/26/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can you tell?
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pinedownpioneer

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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23870453 - 11/26/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Take more pictures of the trich's. The fungus that destroyed my crop seemed to strongly favor trichs. The other species of cacti were not infected or barely at all and spraying got rid of it and these cacti were literally in the middle of the disaster. It destroyed the achuma very fast. I posted some pictures of mine in a thread awhile back.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23870469 - 11/26/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23558431/fpart/1/vc/1 Check out these pictures and compare them to what you got going on. As you can see it can/will get very bad. The large amount of rain and constant high humidity allowed it to rapidly spread. If you have a trich stalk that's seriously infected cut it off then cut it open. Check the green flesh for white pinheads. I don't know what the white dots are but they were present in all the seriously infected in high numbers.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23870953 - 11/27/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I grow indoors so rain isn't an issue. I will take a look at that pic and upload photos tomorrow.
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purplegills
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874320 - 11/28/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thrips on my pepper plants I can see sometimes fly around (when I have thrips, that is!) Sm just crawl. I still say spider mites - based on what the damage looks like - but could be thrips also. Thrips I notice first on the new growth being crinkled, not so much the old growth spotted and brown. Both are bitches to kill off. Both are nearly impossible to notice while the infection is in the beginning stages.
Thrips also live in the top layer of the soil. If it's thrips you also need to replace the top of the soil. Say top one inch. You can also try to cover the soil with alu foil. Reflective surface messes with the thrips' "brains". Google that. Just make sure you don't suffocate the Salvias. Apply alu foil loosely and wrap it around the stems.
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purplegills
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: purplegills]
#23874325 - 11/28/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My comment is gone and I've typed long. Anyway I was trying to say that thrips damage I notice mainly on the new growth coming in crinkled and distorted, not so much the old growth being spotted and brown/bronze. I think it's mites but could be thrips. If it's thrips then remove and replace the top 1" of the soil also, and read up on reflective mulch or alu foil to cover the soil surface under the plants. This will disorient the thrips and make them leave. Make sure you apply it loose enough not to suffocate the Salvias. Use that in combination with other methods, not instead. Try to water in neem oil rather than spray lots of chemicals on such stressed plants. Maybe insecticidal soap which is harmless for plants, but try not to go heavy on garlic, capsaicin sprays or similar because the plants looks already like they're fed up and those things can burn them.
Update And now I can see my comment did post; twice. Oh well. In that case, other stuff that supposedly works for thrips: diatomaceous earth (DE) - white powder, NOT the kind that's sold for pool water filter purposes but the food grade stuff. Google that. Basically you need to dust the plant and the soil with DE and it will cut the soft bodied insects into pieces. It works only until it gets wet again. So after every watering, spraying etc you need to dust again.
What I know is that I struggled with thrips for nearly a year on my chilli plants and I tried most everything I posted and yet I had to just throw away everything in that room and not grow a single plant for the rest of the year to get rid of them. Try Google the DE and the alu foil anyway. Good luck!
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: purplegills]
#23874593 - 11/28/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874630 - 11/28/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever had the impression you were just bitten by some bastard while messing with your plants? (Some) thrips can bite people. They're tiny and so is the damage they do to humans but it's noticeable. That would be another hint that you're dealing with thrips and not spider mites.
One more thing I recall I did was to replace top layer of soil with coarse, sharp sand, not just new soil. They pupate in the soil and when they want to emerge they either can't make it through 1/2-1" of sand or they just get cut in pieces. Or better, sand plus DE on top. Only issue I had with sand is that if you don't wash it first to remove the fines it can form a crust on top when it dries out. Surely no thrips will make it through that, but it can suffocate the plant too. So if you do this then check and if necessary, loosen it up with something.
And the bright yellow sticky traps may also work to reduce (but not eliminate) the population. Not the blue ones!
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hummingbird

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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23874777 - 11/28/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: hummingbird]
#23877486 - 11/29/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I just had a post disappear too but I am getting neem in the mail, I can buy diatomaceous earth at the hydro store today. Maybe ask about a thrip targeted insecticide. And I will be uploading more pics of the sad, scarred peyotes which I feel I am going to lose. I have 100 loph seeds I'm afraid to plant until I deal with this situation first. Thanks a lot.
Spinosad.
Thanks. Will find it. Also, someone who has a great reputation for growing lophs and is basically a master told me my lophs are too far gone and the time it would take to save them would honestly be longer than if I started again from seed. So I think I might toss them, at least the really bad ones. Clean the pots. And then when I feel comfortable I have over 100 loph seeds to plant and a lot of pereskiopsis I just fail every time I graft since I have a shaky hand. I feel grafting would help me catch up with size and also spider mites tend to attack the base of plants. I have a modified scalpel with a sharp razor at the end, and parafilm but I have never tried the parafilm or had any graft not shrivel and fall off in a day or two. Someone PM'd me once about how I should try impaling grafts. Maybe I will only throw out my worst lophs and try to impale the best ones. I want to ask for grafting advice but people have PM'd me so many times and they get lost in my PMs. If someone could link me to a guide that works for them I'd appreciate it. What do you guys think about trying to graft my least damaged peyotes after a few more sprays of end-all and then trying to graft them?
Doing some massive uploads now so pics coming soon.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899601 - 12/06/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Been told to get rid of my peyotes. The grower I got the seeds from told me it will take less time to start from seed again then fix the insect problem and wait for the them outgrow the damage. Thinking of taking best ones and trying to do impale graft on my peres, tossing the rest and starting over much more carefully with a pocket microscope and a better eye for insect damage










My peres need some work:

Rest of garden seems okay:

My salvias still look pretty shitty but I think the poison has been helping with the thrips. Don't see as many as I'm seeing some new growth. Will post pics when I can. Actually wtf I'm so lazy sometimes I'll post them now:

I'm hoping I can save at least one. Dream herb looking like trash. My family member won't let me spray his shitty dying oregano because he apparently uses it for cooking despite it being so small, so I'm afraid it will act as a reservoir for the thrips.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899911 - 12/06/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd fucking eat them before I toss them in the trash...
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23899936 - 12/06/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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jellyfish said: Been told to get rid of my peyotes. The grower I got the seeds from told me it will take less time to start from seed again then fix the insect problem and wait for the them outgrow the damage. Thinking of taking best ones and trying to do impale graft on my peres, tossing the rest and starting over much more carefully with a pocket microscope and a better eye for insect damage










My peres need some work:

Rest of garden seems okay:

My salvias still look pretty shitty but I think the poison has been helping with the thrips. Don't see as many as I'm seeing some new growth. Will post pics when I can. Actually wtf I'm so lazy sometimes I'll post them now:

I'm hoping I can save at least one. Dream herb looking like trash. My family member won't let me spray his shitty dying oregano because he apparently uses it for cooking despite it being so small, so I'm afraid it will act as a reservoir for the thrips.
Get rid of them? Man what misinformation. I would get a fan, circulate that air and uproot those babies. I mean if they are uprooted and have clean roots, whats been kiloing them? Youll see it.
So i say uproot them. Clean off the roots. Isolate them. Throw away the soil and disinfect the shit out of everything. Go full anal. Ever nook and cranny.
They look good regardless. Cacti are very hard to kill. Now the rest leafy plants, thats your call man. Thats just me. Mother nature has been taking care of my babies so she takes care of all the outbreaks and shit.

Hope it all works out.
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