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ferrel_human
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spanishfly]
#23851455 - 11/20/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said: Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK. Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish 
But like anything else - from Viagra to strychnine - you can find someone to buy it from on line.
Aint that grand? Chemicals yes, natural no
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
#23851538 - 11/20/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys one more thing. I noticed a couple weeks ago, after my regular watering of my biggest pedro (bought it in 2006, no idea how old it actually is) that a week later the soil had mould all over it. I thought maybe it was because it had gone dormant but none of my other plants seem to have, and it's not very cold in the basement yet, nor have the light cycles changed. Could this be related to the whole garden all dying at once situation? Also, should I try to induce dormancy? I've heard it's healthy for them to have a dormant period. I normally water twice a month, this past month I didn't water for 4 weeks and they look very thirsty so I'm going to water today. I'm not sure indoors under fluorescent lights that they ever go dormant. I dunno though. I've asked this before but never got an answer I fully understood.
The pedro in question:
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23851589 - 11/20/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you sure it's mold and no mineral or salt deposit?
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
#23851676 - 11/20/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea it was fluffy and white
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Spore Ninja
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23851749 - 11/20/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: So I guess all I can do today is spray again with pyrethrum (which I can never seem to spell) and try to source neem oil. I can't think of anything else. Also, since plants excrete O2 and intake CO2, how could you suffocate mites by putting them in a bag? Won't the plant be the one to suffocate? Since even the small amount of O2 it puts out would be plenty for the mites to breathe, but the small amount of CO2 the mites exhale won't be enough for photosynthesis, the plant would then just continue burning it's own sugars, thus releasing CO2 but being unable to build new sugars. Oh wait, maybe that's the answer.
I hope everything works out OK for you. Most of the advice I could find centered around: Pruning Washing Isolation Neem/pesticides Beneficial insects/predators. http://homeguides.sfgate.com/organic-ways-rid-spider-mites-78260.html That article also mentions the use of rosemary in a spray bottle as being effective.
So I'd prune off any really badly infested leaves. Then use a spray bottle or hose to wash the plants and pots to physically remove the mites. (Make sure the waste/prunings/run off doesn't spread the mites. Contain it and make sure it's safely disposed of) Isolate the plants or pots with clear baggies or trash bags- you might just be chasing the mites from one plant to the next. Try to do the best you can to make sure the plants aren't dry or stressed. For green leafy plants, seaweed is a good all around tonic, but not sure how it is on cactus. Or if you have to go nuclear- another site mentioned this: "If populations are high, use a least-toxic, short-lived pesticide (Take Down Spray, Doktor Doom Foggers) to reduce infestations, then release predatory mites to maintain control."
Best of luck.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spore Ninja]
#23851933 - 11/20/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't see the mites at all I don't even know if they exist it just all looks like mite damage, and if I prune off all the salvia leaves that look unhealthy then I've left them with nothing. Also, no way my family would let me release mites in the house. They'd rather just have me lose my garden. I guess I could somehow enclose the entire garden and release the mites that way. That just might work.
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the_r3dz
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23852423 - 11/20/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mealybugs maybe?
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
#23852918 - 11/20/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I finally saw the fuckers. I threw out my most infested salvia plant, then cut the rest down to the base where the growth looks healthiest and spraying won't be so difficult. I even got a semi decent picture of the buggers. Going to upload them.
Finally I see where the damage is comign from. I ignored it for so long thinking that they just needed new soil and would bounce back. Lesson learned, always look for insect damage.
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mandrin13
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23853348 - 11/21/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Guys one more thing. I noticed a couple weeks ago, after my regular watering of my biggest pedro (bought it in 2006, no idea how old it actually is) that a week later the soil had mould all over it. I thought maybe it was because it had gone dormant but none of my other plants seem to have, and it's not very cold in the basement yet, nor have the light cycles changed. Could this be related to the whole garden all dying at once situation? Also, should I try to induce dormancy? I've heard it's healthy for them to have a dormant period. I normally water twice a month, this past month I didn't water for 4 weeks and they look very thirsty so I'm going to water today. I'm not sure indoors under fluorescent lights that they ever go dormant. I dunno though. I've asked this before but never got an answer I fully understood.
The pedro in question:

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jellyfish said: Yea it was fluffy and white
I have only had mealybugs on my plants above the soil, but they leave a white fluffy cotton like substance, so if the root ones do as well that could be your culprit. If I recall correctly you should un-pot one of them and clear off the soil, looking for the tiny bugs, if you have them spray the roots off with a hose to get rid of them.
Since the damage seems to be at the base of each plant I would suspect that is the cause over rsm, since they will cover everything, but on my cactus focused on the new growth before the flood came and wiped them out. This damage appears to be coming from below, but I am only guessing due to recent issues with rsm and mealys.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: mandrin13]
#23853493 - 11/21/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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On my salvias it's everywhere that's infected though, especially the top parts. Anyways I found the bugs on my salvias and even tossed one of them out so I'll post that when I grab my camera (forgot it at my fams).
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Spore Ninja
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23854303 - 11/21/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: I finally saw the fuckers. I threw out my most infested salvia plant, then cut the rest down to the base where the growth looks healthiest and spraying won't be so difficult. I even got a semi decent picture of the buggers. Going to upload them.
Finally I see where the damage is comign from. I ignored it for so long thinking that they just needed new soil and would bounce back. Lesson learned, always look for insect damage.
You need to identify what's causing te damage.
IF it IS mites, you need to follow a systematic plan, instead of ad hoc/random treatments.
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mandrin13
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23855187 - 11/21/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: On my salvias it's everywhere that's infected though, especially the top parts. Anyways I found the bugs on my salvias and even tossed one of them out so I'll post that when I grab my camera (forgot it at my fams).
Looking at the Salvias, the damage does not appear to be the same as my damage from RSM, your leaves are still pretty green, my leafy plants went white-ish speckled as they sucked the life from the cells. Those Salvias could just have damaged roots from bugs in the soil, you really need to dig a plant up I think, but I stress my lack of experience could cause more harm then good.
Edited by mandrin13 (11/21/16 06:35 PM)
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Raven44
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: mandrin13]
#23855223 - 11/21/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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R u sure this is rsm??
A rsm infestation would be visibly noticeable w the naked eyes very easily would it not?
Looks like broad mites kinda what I remember seeing at least I'm no expert and haven't had em myself
Edited by Raven44 (11/21/16 06:41 PM)
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mandrin13
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#23855286 - 11/21/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, I now see that broad mites do not leave the same tell tale sign as rsm, nasty bitches. I have no idea, good luck.
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spore Ninja]
#23855295 - 11/21/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright so I had to sacrifice my biggest salvia. Shitty feeling. But it had no leaves that weren't incredibly damaged, I saw no way for her to recover.
Before being sacrificed:

One of her leaves, finally I see the buggers, they were moving around, took the best pic I could:



Damage:


What remains after chopping off the parts I thought were too far gone:



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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23855518 - 11/21/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks like thrips
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jellyfish


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#23855586 - 11/21/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really hate killing things. I used to not even swat mosquito I was such a pacifist. In fact, someone who knew me in person posted on shroomery about having an insane friend who thought mosquitoes were part of life's balance and shouldn't be killed. But I wasn't the one to declare war. How do I fuck these things up?
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Raven44
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
#23855627 - 11/21/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hate to be so repetitive but I used ozone on my thrips
Doesn't kill em but makes em never wanna be around that plant as soon as they realize that plant consistently brings them ozone treatments lol...
So a form of torture I suppose but part of ineoprene gardening. I felt the source was a new bag of soil I brought in the room which contained the thrips
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LSoares
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Raven44]
#23856241 - 11/22/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It does indeed look like thrips. Abamectin or imidacloprid should do the trick, sticky traps and/or Pinguicula plants will cut the numbers down.
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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: LSoares]
#23858551 - 11/22/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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LSoares said: It does indeed look like thrips. Abamectin or imidacloprid should do the trick, sticky traps and/or Pinguicula plants will cut the numbers down.
Abamectin is a miticide, I dont believe it kills thrips (it might). Its the active ingredient in Avid. Imidacloprid (insecticide) will do it. Good luck!
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