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Invisiblejellyfish


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Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed
    #23849212 - 11/19/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So everything seems to be getting sick at once. I'm not sure if it's spider mites or broad mites (which I only just heard of, or what). But everyone seems affected. I have a few hours tomorrow to dedicate to my garden but I have no idea how to help. Been spraying with an insecticide of pyrethrin which contains a bit of soap too and a different pyrethrin brand seemed to help me in the past when my peyotes were getting scarred but I'm afraid these plants just aren't going to make it.

Salvias:












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Peyotes:










Any help is appreciated, like I said, tomorrow I will be doing whatever I can, just not sure what exactly to do other than insecticide or giving up.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish] * 1
    #23849303 - 11/19/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Here's what my buddy Big Bear told me to do when I had RSM
I no longer have RSM

Only thing I swear by is systemic Neem applications.  I add silica and secondary oils to my foliar spray.  This is my preventative maintence schedule,  start to finish.


Base Mix:
-30ml 100% pure Neem oil
-10ml "pro-tekt" (silica additive and emulsifier.  Before I used this product I just rocked Neem with dish soap as the emulsifier
-1gal of water

Secondary mix components include:
Aloe, lavender, Rosemary, and thyme.  Basically I chop up a small handful of FRESH rosemary, thyme, or lavender and chop it up finely.  I let it sit in a cup of water over night.  I strain it in to my base mix and then fill the rest of the gallon up with water.

My schedule is usually every week I spray base mix+secondary and alternate the secondary every week.  Lavender is particularly gnarly for mites.  If I site a bug I usually douse everything every 72 hours until the problem goes away.  Alternating secondary components really helps a lot.  Diversity is key.


For storing fresh lavender, Rosemary, and thyme, I just go ahead and freeze it fresh, thaw and use as needed. 

Thyme is mostly anti fungal so if I was having a mite problem I would probably do Neem+Rosemary and Neem+lavender alternating every 72 hours until the problem went away. 

If shit was real bad id do Monterey and silica one day, Neem+lav+sil the next, Monterey+silica, Neem+Rosemary+silica, Monterey, Neem+lavender+silica

And just spray the gay away

As for soil ammendments, kelp meal, Neem seedmeal, karanja meal, and crab shell meal all have lots of IPM benefits.  Top dressing with diatomaceous they say can help too.  I only spray Neem thoigh.  If I was only allowed to buy one product ever again for gardening it would be 100% dynagrow Neem oil.  It's the only "product" I feel I need. Everything else I can just get at the feed store or grocery store.

Hope that helps.  Get a nice sprayer.  You're a farmer now.  Preventative maintence should be part of your MO :smile:


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23849315 - 11/19/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Neem is illegal in Canada

edit: because our government is retarded


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #23849317 - 11/19/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That shouldn't stop you from getting your hands on it man, it's essential. You can get it you just can't buy it here


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23849320 - 11/19/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So online?


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #23849328 - 11/19/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbsup:
maybe make a post in the marketplace


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #23849329 - 11/19/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess since Sunday is my garden day (I don't live in the same house as my plants) and it's Saturday night, I won't be able to buy anything useful. Just don't feel they don't have much time left.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #23849334 - 11/19/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They have a bit of time but not much.
If you can put them all in an air tight container for a few days that will kill them all and then you can start your neem application when it arrives to kill the eggs that hatch


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23849372 - 11/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

whats rsm?


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #23849431 - 11/19/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I can easily put my peyotes in an air tight bag but the salvias, it won't be easy/possible at all. Nor the bigger pedros.

rsm = red spider mites


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #23849432 - 11/19/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey redz, what about using fresh lemon balm and peppermint as a spray for insects?

I don't have lavender or Rosemary to play with but I got lemon balm and peppermint.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: impaired420]
    #23849843 - 11/19/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you recently fertilize, was it this bad before spraying insecticide?


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: MadBotanist]
    #23849879 - 11/19/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I always water my cacti with very dilute fertilizer, been doing that for years, never fertilized the salvia, just put them in fresh soil every now and then and they usually look good after but I transplanted them to fresh soil recently and it didn't help. Insecticide doesn't seem to have made anything worse. I only have sprayed my salvias once and they looked just as bad before.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: jellyfish]
    #23850358 - 11/20/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Red spider mites are a bitch.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23850501 - 11/20/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ferrel_human said:
Red spider mites are a bitch.



:whathesaid:
I've been battling them for years on my indoor plants, they adapt well to different poisons. They even managed to kill my outdoor castor beans! Good luck jellyfish. One thing I have noticed is they have never migrated to my e. novo plants, a small silver lining.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #23850504 - 11/20/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah mites are a nightmare, just got a salvia plant that had them. Treated it with neem oil then spinosad a few days later and seems all good. Caught it early thankfully, hope there's not much eggs or recurring infection.

@impaired420 peppermint oil can help dissolve their exoskeletons and make them more prone to other insecticides. I love dr. bronners peppermint castile soap.

They WILL infect Kratom plants beware. Seen a supplier loose a ton of cuttings due to them :eek:


Edited by MadBotanist (11/20/16 05:44 AM)


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: MadBotanist]
    #23850586 - 11/20/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Never had red spider mites - mainly because my plants live outdoors all year round.  But I keep a lookout for the little buggers - I know they are the scourge of a lot of growers.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23851140 - 11/20/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK.
Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish :smile:


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23851181 - 11/20/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mostly_Harmless said:
Looks like neem in Canada has a prohibition against marketing it as a pesticide, similar to here in the UK.
Now best found as cold pressed carrier oils, and neem leaf polish :smile:




But like anything else - from Viagra to strychnine - you can find someone to buy it from on line.


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Re: Something is killing my whole garden at once, advice needed [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23851430 - 11/20/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So I guess all I can do today is spray again with pyrethrum (which I can never seem to spell) and try to source neem oil. I can't think of anything else. Also, since plants excrete O2 and intake CO2, how could you suffocate mites by putting them in a bag? Won't the plant be the one to suffocate? Since even the small amount of O2 it puts out would be plenty for the mites to breathe, but the small amount of CO2 the mites exhale won't be enough for photosynthesis, the plant would then just continue burning it's own sugars, thus releasing CO2 but being unable to build new sugars. Oh wait, maybe that's the answer.


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