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OfflineJustForToday
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Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds?
    #23848978 - 11/19/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I want to get off of some of these meds they are causing way too many problems..


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
    #23849005 - 11/19/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Let's begin here:

1) What were the symptoms that cuased you to begin taking psych meds?
2) How intense/severe were they?
3) Were they manageable?
3.5) Was it YOUR choice to begin a psych med regimen?

4) Do you have any allergies you're aware of?

5) How much do you want to quit this poison? Is it a mere interest?

6) How old are you?

7) Do you have any other medical conditions?


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
    #23849114 - 11/19/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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JustForToday said:
I want to get off of some of these meds they are causing way too many problems..




You have to figure out a way to stop expecting to use your medications.

This could mean you have to believe that you don't need the meds or that the disadvantages of the meds outweigh the benefits.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly]
    #23849171 - 11/19/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Indian snake root not combine with alcohol as that can lower blood,pressure.  I kicked Meds for about 9 years and got into a lot of legal trouble.  Weed helped immensely but was not always around as a pnr.

If I was in a legal state. I guess I could think about having plenty of weed and Indian snake root.  Kicking the invega.  But psyche med withdrawal is awful!  Plus the only real motivation to stop the med is large ejaculate and psycadelics.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23849265 - 11/19/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Kratom is supposed to be good for reducing opiate addictions so maybe it'd be useful to try out if you can find it.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly]
    #23849687 - 11/19/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What types of medications are you currently taking, and how long have you been on?  What are the dosages?  Which script are you looking to ditch?

Have you ever tried herbal remedies?  What are you looking for in a natural supement?


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23849694 - 11/19/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Redirecting your energy and focus onto something other than a need for medication may be beneficial. Life is a try and fail and try and succeed system that you have to decide to beat.

If you want something done you will have to mostly rely on yourself.
I do believe weed alone is good for managing addictions as it can provide intermediate relief.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly]
    #23849731 - 11/19/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes it's necessary to supplement in order to manage mental health.  Depression, bipolar, bpd, etc is not something you can 'will' yourself out of. Because it's not a physical ailment seen by eye, psychological disruption is commonly glazed over (especially for guys((suck it up))), dismissed despite a person being utterly debilitated. 

I like to compare it to a cancer patient, toughing out illness, suffering instead of accepting chemo treatment.

There is so much that factors into 'mental illness', and one size does not fit all.

I'd like to offer suggestions, but need more info if possible.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23849798 - 11/19/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Magic mushrooms, LSD and entheogens alike are the only medications that work at extending your expectations immediately but they're illegal so most people are scared of them and consider them bad.

You can will yourself out of these things by inhibiting your instincts and the fight or flight response with the anxiolytic properties of psilocybin containing magic mushrooms.

But hey some people swear SSRI's help them, for me they didn't help.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23849822 - 11/19/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Again, I will reference the cancer patient who cannot will herself well.  If a brain is genetically deficient by various means, or does not function properly, intervention is necessary in order to preserve quality of life.

With respect, your post is drenched in stigma.

Also, certain mental conditions can be exasperated by introducing psychedelics, even weed.  It has nothing to do with legality but safety and harm reduction.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23849925 - 11/19/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cancers are physical abnormalities or genetic conditions.

Sad thoughts are usually the result of behavioural patterns that lead to negative thought cycles and intense reactions as seen in bipolar patients.

If someone has a fucking cancer then of course medications can help but that doesn't mean they are necessary for everyone who experiences some form of depression or behaviour like bipolar tendencies.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23849959 - 11/19/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No need to get riled up.  I think you are confusing being depressed with suffering from depression.. humongous difference.

Mental illness is most certainly genetically dispositioned, passed down through generations.  There is no contesting this medical fact.

I am all for the belief that changing thinking patterns can influence well being, but I believe your confusion lies in the misunderstanding that underlying conditions disable one from being able to do such.  There cannot be a way without a will.

In this day and age, with the information available- your stance conveys invalidation and ignorance. 

There's more to the eye, you know this.. but imagine how crappy suffering from cancer would be.. how would you feel if someone told you to 'snap out' of your affliction.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23849978 - 11/19/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You have completely ignored everything I've said about entheogen use.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23850009 - 11/19/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not really.  I agree, entheogen use can open up doors in the mind never known to exist, broaden horizons and allow a reset, if you will.

However, JFT may very well be withdrawing from a SSRI, or worse- having a MAOI in his system.  Your advocating potentially harmful measures.

Psychedelics can absolutely assist in changing someone's life for the better.. but there is also the possibility of a dormant psychiatric illness rearing its ugly head as a result.  You are advising potential ego death to a potentially unstable person.  Look no further than the majority of threads in this forum.  It is irresponsible to encourage someone to trip in response to brief mention of desire to discontinue pharmas, and affliction of 'way too many problems they are causing'.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23850014 - 11/19/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Invega is an antipsychotic, and a depot injection. That means he was probably involuntarily on it? Possibly? Not pointing any fingers, just saying this could be serious business.

The stuff is horrible though. It's Risperdal but even more effective at shutting down your emotional life because it releases slowly from the muscle over 2 weeks.

I would only come off it if you're not a threat to yourself or other people.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23850025 - 11/19/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

'Ego death' isn't an issue, the only issue is serotonin syndrome if he took a dose that was far too large.

Physically it isn't dangerous, psilocybin has an LD-50 near that of marijuana.

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Psilocybin: LD50 (median dose)‎: ‎280 mg/kg (rat)

THC: LD50 (median dose) 1,270 mg/kg (rat)



(aka. you would have to eat/smoke a dozen kilos)

I'm not advocating for recreational use of psychedelics, I'm advocating for therapeutic scenarios with professional monitoring but they are currently illegal in most countries.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly]
    #23850037 - 11/19/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's all good but there might be a substantial psychotic disorder if he's using Invega?


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23850070 - 11/19/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think he said what he's using.

Either way entheogens like psilocybin aren't very effective if someone is using meds like SSRI's because they act to block the re-uptake of serotonin. That's what can also lead to serotonin syndrome with large doses.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: sudly]
    #23850141 - 11/19/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh SNAP

I thought Morel Guy started the thread for some reason.


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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
    #23850764 - 11/20/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

JustForToday said:
I want to get off of some of these meds they are causing way too many problems..




I'd also need more specifics about which medications, how long, symptoms you are experiencing, etc.

Then, I just may have some useful input, as this has been a thing in my life...


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