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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
#23856708 - 11/22/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read someone here on the shroomery knew somebody that went into a coma. Mixing skullcap with benzos.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23856771 - 11/22/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I read someone here on the shroomery knew somebody that went into a coma. Mixing skullcap with benzos.
I don't doubt it.
I just spoke with my Herbalist friend and if she can find one other committed participant (needs a handful to devote the time, which is why it hasn't been done thus far) I'll be going in for my 9-month Herbalist certification program as well as helping educate her a bit more in mycology.
Her over the phone advice in reference to this thread was quite clear: While she was tempted to make suggestions for the OP as we have, this is really something you should take to an ND or certified Herbalist / other form of naturopathic professional, and largely due to missing gaps in information like diet, patient history, and etc. You would setup a personalized plan and work together to figure out what is best for you, with a consent to release information form signed for your western-medicine providers (PCP, Psychiatrist, etc) so they can speak between each other and make educated judgement calls.
Looks like I'm going to get my certification in 2017, finally. Assuming I live that long, ofc.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
#23857087 - 11/22/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know if that was in response to me but Scutellaria lateriflora (American skullcap) and Scutellaria baicalensis (Chinese skullcap) are totally different herbs. Of course i would still be cautious with anything which is why i recommended a professional herbalist. If i'm not mistaken Chinese skullcap can act as a synergist to other drugs making them potentially dangerous.
I've never heard that BPD decreases lifespan. Do you know why?
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23857179 - 11/22/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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lateriflora is what you would seek for herbal medications or "true skullcap" if I'm not mistaken, it's often the wrong type of herb put into remedies/tinctures/tablets.
Many people with BPD kill themselves (About 10%). Others just have extremely impulsive and reckless behavior that leads to death, among other things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday] 1
#23857225 - 11/22/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't on what you were on exactly but I found taking one zinc supplement tablet every few months was a great boost.
Other things to try:
- Walking for several hours a day.
- Spend time in nature
- Visit new places, try to navigate around the place yourself.
- Listen to music
- Meet new people
- Find a cause to support/promote. Political, social, environmental - something you feel passionate about.
- Eat plenty of fresh vegetables.
- Take up painting or drawing. Don't worry about whether you have any talent, the process off creating is what helps.
- Don't smoke tobacco. Quit if you do.
- Laugh.
None of this will fix everything overnight, time is the bigest healer. After 18 - 24 months you should feel a lot better.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23857429 - 11/22/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm open to the idea of certain holistic treatments helping people and all, but not without proper peer-reviewed documentation to back it up... So i remain very cautious and wary of stuff like this, and OP should too. Telling someone to drop all their medical treatments for lavender oil because of anecdotal evidence by their own peers, or by peers of their peers is medically and ethically unsound advice.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: 404] 2
#23857547 - 11/22/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Buddy, trained biochemist here. Peer-review is great but you can suffer a long time waiting for it to catch up with traditional herbalism. Herbal medicine is validated over and over and over again in the lab and there's just very little interest in funding appropriate clinical research. Nor is it necessarily applicable given the non-generalizability of these illnesses. No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
Plur, they are two different herbs. Both medicinal. But very different
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#23857590 - 11/22/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: Buddy, trained biochemist here. Peer-review is great but you can suffer a long time waiting for it to catch up with traditional herbalism. Herbal medicine is validated over and over and over again in the lab and there's just very little interest in funding appropriate clinical research. Nor is it necessarily applicable given the non-generalizability of these illnesses. No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
Plur, they are two different herbs. Both medicinal. But very different
Only one is traditional ("American") Skullcap, like the one used for the purposes discussed, which was my point in identifying its latin name.
Source - WebMD
"Skullcap products are not always what the labels claim. The plants germander and teucrium are often unwanted and unlabeled ingredients in skullcap products. Secondly, you may think you are buying Scuttelaria lateriflora, the species of skullcap that has been studied for medicinal use, but the product may contain a different species of skullcap instead. The most often substituted species are Western Skullcap (Scuttelaria canescens), Southern Skullcap (Scutellaria cordifolia), or Marsh Skullcap (Scutellaria galericulatum). These species contain different chemicals, so they are not considered interchangeable."
Also, before you go judging what I say, read all of it. I never told him to stop taking all his meds and to just switch to lavender oil, if you don't want to follow the thread perhaps you shouldn't chime in, as I've clearly put time into my responses and even picked up the phone to an Herbalist/RN and talked the subject over for the OP ; which simply brought about the same conclusion as we'd already discussed as medically appropriate and responsible.
If he wants to proceed despite that, I'd say what I've told him is a good reference/first hand experience accounting, because I have actually lived through it; including every single drug he's coming off of, and am actually diagnosed with BPD. If you feel that is out of line, well, let's hear your advice without repeating something that has already been said multiple times in this thread. "Stop taking them all and switch to Lavender" - Exaggerate much?
FYI - Lavender is great. And yes, even that can have drug interactions.
Sorry if I'm moody, but I hate repeating myself and having BPD, I have my own problems ofc - due to it being rare this was me trying to look out for someone else suffering from what I suffer from, and since I've made it this far, maybe I have some input to offer.
Or not, this is a web-forum after all, and I leave this entirely up to the OP to decide, who is probably wise to most of this conversation already, I'd naturally assume.
He's going to be fine, it's just a rough process, but he WILL be fine, and it's important the OP hears that, esp. w/ BPD and having a rough time emotionally/psychologically, something I can definitely relate too.
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One of us is misunderstanding the other. Chinese skullcap (scutellaria baicalensis) is a TCM herb that has nothing to do with American skullcap nor its sedative properties. I repeat, no relation at all. It is not an unwanted mix to American skullcap. It is not related or confused with it. It is a different herb from a different land where it is traditionally used . I don't recall it's full range of use but my interest was more in its diverse neuroprotective, antiinflammatory, antimicrobial effects. Not the nervine qualities of lateriflora
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#23858151 - 11/22/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said: Buddy, trained biochemist here. Peer-review is great but you can suffer a long time waiting for it to catch up with traditional herbalism. Herbal medicine is validated over and over and over again in the lab and there's just very little interest in funding appropriate clinical research. Nor is it necessarily applicable given the non-generalizability of these illnesses. No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
>>buddy
that is typically something used when someone takes some level of offense in a sense, especially when the two conversing parties aren't known to have any sort of pre existing friendship. I didn't mean to upset you with what i said, but peer-review is not only 'great' but how we base and build upon knowledge and check methods for errors and discrepancies that could otherwise skew the results with non-factual data. However, if you do in fact have any research on hand that supports herbal remedies that could treat OP's disorder, i would genuinely love to see some of it as i'm not currently aware of any empirical data that supports herbal supplements as a treatment for his in particular. I'm sure there are some out there that could ease the anxiety and depression, and would personally love to see those.
>>No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
these are two conflicting statements, you say you are not supporting him to drop his meds, but then go on to say you are in support of him doing something different which inherently means stopping his current meds. not trying to stir anything up, it just doesn't compute for me.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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JacksonMetaller said: One of us is misunderstanding the other. Chinese skullcap (scutellaria baicalensis) is a TCM herb that has nothing to do with American skullcap nor its sedative properties. I repeat, no relation at all. It is not an unwanted mix to American skullcap. It is not related or confused with it. It is a different herb from a different land where it is traditionally used . I don't recall it's full range of use but my interest was more in its diverse neuroprotective, antiinflammatory, antimicrobial effects. Not the nervine qualities of lateriflora
I agree with what you are saying 100%
Where you are losing me is that I identified the latin genus for American Skullcap, which I believe was what one of the recommendations was for.
Upon cross-referencing Skullcap (American) with his medications for known side effects to be more informative/do some leg work for him, I noted that due to Skullcap having a variety of subgenus counter-parts which you are right, are completely different herbs that also have medicinal value.
Important as well, is that when tablet manufacturers or low-grade tincture producers make these substances (usually in combination with other herbs in things like 'relaxing blends' they use the wrong kind (including substances that are not any form of Skullcap as stated on WebMD); which is a big No No and something to look out for when looking for a quality product. This was my attempt at harm reduction, I should have explained it more thoroughly - I'd just mentioned the importance of going organic and using reputable brands.
I apologize for any moodiness, but in my defense, I'm BPD on a Xanax taper and I live with a mean old senile bastard I have to clean up after while I'm sick - and it's getting very old... 
It was only my intention to help, and sometimes the way I word things works against me.
I still stand by dropping the Clonidine if he has low blood pressure, but it's not like I'm taking his BP myself every 2 hours like they would in a medical detox setting, which really is what the OP very well may need if he's having complications serious enough to compare to genuine Xanax withdrawal. I did not experience any withdrawal coming off Geodon or Trazodone and Hydroxyzine's symptoms were short-lived. Everyone's chemistry is different as is their story.
Hopefully that clears up the confusion, at least. I mean no disrespect although it was slightly offensive that someone literally took my advice to the OP as "Quit them all, use Lavender" lol... 404 seems to be the one complicating the fact that we have all advised the OP to do this in a proper medical detox setting under the care of professionals, but the OP is still seeking out information all the same. Clearly, 404 has little experience with this sort of thing first-hand, as many people are forced to taper off without the help of professionals due to their situation and side effects/personal beliefs and desires.
Ultimately, it's up for the OP to decide what he wants to do...and debating semantics is not helping answer his question.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
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plurfekt said: lateriflora is what you would seek for herbal medications or "true skullcap" if I'm not mistaken, it's often the wrong type of herb put into remedies/tinctures/tablets.
Many people with BPD kill themselves (About 10%). Others just have extremely impulsive and reckless behavior that leads to death, among other things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder
I used to fear someday I might actually kill someone over something so stupid but now i'm that actually working a program the thoughts easing.. Also sometimes I would be standing near the corner of a busy road and dare myself to jump in front a high speed moving truck. I don't know what holds me back. It's not fear. Maybe I feel like i'll be missing something If I die too early.
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I used to fear someday I might actually kill someone over something so stupid but now i'm that actually working a program the thoughts easing.. Also sometimes I would be standing near the corner of a busy road and dare myself to jump in front a high speed moving truck. I don't know what holds me back. It's not fear. Maybe I feel like i'll be missing something If I die too early.
I still fear this regularly, but will never be honest about it in a psych facility. Programs have been helpful, but I always find a way to turn things into disasters socially.
I, too have done the bus thing... as well as standing on the edges of cliffs.
This is normal. Well, for us.
Life is a trip..and having been dead before @ 23 years of age - I can tell you we're all headed to the same place eventually anyways, may as well enjoy the show... Hard to cope with that on the really difficult days, but remember the upside to being borderline... we feel all the good things more intensely too!
Keep your head up man... it's hard as hell and I suck at taking my own advice, but it is doable, and can get better.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: 404]
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JacksonMetaller said: Buddy, trained biochemist here. Peer-review is great but you can suffer a long time waiting for it to catch up with traditional herbalism. Herbal medicine is validated over and over and over again in the lab and there's just very little interest in funding appropriate clinical research. Nor is it necessarily applicable given the non-generalizability of these illnesses. No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
>>buddy
that is typically something used when someone takes some level of offense in a sense, especially when the two conversing parties aren't known to have any sort of pre existing friendship. I didn't mean to upset you with what i said, but peer-review is not only 'great' but how we base and build upon knowledge and check methods for errors and discrepancies that could otherwise skew the results with non-factual data. However, if you do in fact have any research on hand that supports herbal remedies that could treat OP's disorder, i would genuinely love to see some of it as i'm not currently aware of any empirical data that supports herbal supplements as a treatment for his in particular. I'm sure there are some out there that could ease the anxiety and depression, and would personally love to see those.
>>No one is telling OP to drop his meds. But like many of us he is coming to the conclusion he'd rather try something different and I'm in full support of that.
these are two conflicting statements, you say you are not supporting him to drop his meds, but then go on to say you are in support of him doing something different which inherently means stopping his current meds. not trying to stir anything up, it just doesn't compute for me.
I am very very familiar with the scientific process. However, the lack of generalizability in these illnesses poses serious limitations on peer review regarding treatment. That can be aided with the extensive historical documentation and mechanistic studies that help us understand how to apply herbs on a patient specific basis. I am not up to speed on BPD which is why I have not made any specific recommendations. I can't validate or criticize what others have recommended. It just needs to be stated that herbalism is a sophisticated art that goes way beyond conventional peer review in the west and it's not exactly helpful to attack it on that basis. A bit like criticizing the Beatles for not abiding by classical theory. One is an art. One is a science. They are best when they augment one another
And being supportive and telling him to stop are two different things. One can validate someone's decision and aid them without influencing their initial choice. OP asked us for herbs. OP said he wanted to stop meds. We did not encourage it. But we understand it. We support that choice. See the difference?
Plur I didn't realize anyone recommended American skullcap. I still can't find it so I assumed you were responding to me who said Chinese. Whatevs glad it's cleared
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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Skull cap is like a benzo and those I hear are bad for BPD.
Learn lessons from this life. Some people with BPD grow out of it.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
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I used to fear someday I might actually kill someone over something so stupid but now i'm that actually working a program the thoughts easing.. Also sometimes I would be standing near the corner of a busy road and dare myself to jump in front a high speed moving truck. I don't know what holds me back. It's not fear. Maybe I feel like i'll be missing something If I die too early.
I still fear this regularly, but will never be honest about it in a psych facility. Programs have been helpful, but I always find a way to turn things into disasters socially.
I, too have done the bus thing... as well as standing on the edges of cliffs.
This is normal. Well, for us.
Life is a trip..and having been dead before @ 23 years of age - I can tell you we're all headed to the same place eventually anyways, may as well enjoy the show... Hard to cope with that on the really difficult days, but remember the upside to being borderline... we feel all the good things more intensely too!
Keep your head up man... it's hard as hell and I suck at taking my own advice, but it is doable, and can get better.
Damn someone who understands me.. Heart break was the worst thing i've ever been through idk why I didn't off myself.. I wonder how she is doing.. I hope she is okay.
I act like i'm perfectly okay when I see a psych doc. If they ever try to put me in the psych ward i'll act like I have gun then they'll shoot me i'm not going back there..
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: JustForToday]
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<< Blames the Xanax 
Indeed, it is cleared :P
And I much agree support and chemicals are two very different things, and should be augmented together for maximum healing potential.
In regards to BPD being cured/diminishing, most personality disorders tend to decrease in intensity IF we manage to make it into our 30's and 40's.
I can see tell-tale signs of emotional maturity that I completely lacked a few years ago, so I believe it. As for being cured, that I've yet to see. While not going through hellish detox/withdrawals, psychedelics are known to be great for that sort of thing (don't advocate it during detox, again) - Check out Timothy Leary's guide to imprint the Buddhist-Tibetan experience, a write-up he came up with after The Harvard Project had flying successes. I intend to cure myself with this method as I have my OCD and some other tics, but am wise enough to wait for the right time.
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Damn someone who understands me.. Heart break was the worst thing i've ever been through idk why I didn't off myself.. I wonder how she is doing.. I hope she is okay.
I act like i'm perfectly okay when I see a psych doc. If they ever try to put me in the psych ward i'll act like I have gun then they'll shoot me i'm not going back there..
Well, personality disorders are technically coping mechanisms, my belief is that it was partly hereditary and then a hard upbringing "triggered" those genes in my early teens, and it's been quite the shit-show ever since. I have had some pretty grand moments in life despite it, though.
My first heartbreak was worse than the ones I've endured as an adult (I was 17, sadly still my longest relationship was my first, and I've...been around since then)
I sought out some of my exes and ended up regretting it deeply. The first love came back and slept with me, for the sex, then decided I was still too unstable and left again. Ouch.
The rest think I'm a sociopath because I'd always end up attracted to damaged women, and then I'd damage them more and be emotionally blunted, so it's natural they feel that way, doesn't help my conscience or self-esteem much but knowing yourself is more important than others knowing you (self-honesty before total honesty was how it went for me, being honest with myself can be a painful experience, but also liberating)
You'll survive it. I don't know your specifics so I wouldn't presume to tell you how to manage your love life, but in my experience it is best to move on, another thing we BPD do is fall in love easily (at least, after that first one, found an even better one, god I miss her...and her perfect...everything, lol)
Emotions are intensified. We tend to be highly intuitive and these features are attractive as hell to women when we're not being complete basket cases, and even then some women think they can "fix you" - avoid that, they can't, although I miss being coddled and being told how amazing I was, I always ended up hurting them.
Which is not to say you will too; just that it won't be easy hanging onto that feeling of perfection, and you'll be surprised at how many times you climb out of a hopeless pit you truly, truly believe you could never ever make it out of, just to suddenly be someone else, somewhere else, in a new chapter. It's a trip, really.
I say get as much out of life as you can. Avoid needles/benzos, stay in some form of therapy and stay within some form of support group even if you hate it, once you start isolating for years at a time the condition becomes much, much harder to cope with and makes those new chapters much more difficult to turn the page too.
Trust in this though; you will love again. I'll give you my word on that one.
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Forgot to mention. My PTSD is like 75% from my stints in psychiatric facilities, and when I was younger if I didn't have family connections through the County, they were going to send me to a 23 hour a day lockdown psych facility (same place Ed Gein died) - and yea, I'd do pretty much anything to avoid going back, including several failed attempts to taper off benzos. I always told myself if I ever make it out of this hell and strike it rich, I'd design psych facilities that actually make people feel better. Even came up with a few ideas for patents (strangle-proof ear buds for mp3 players, etc) while I was in psych wards.
In recovery circles there is a saying; "Religion is for those afraid to go to hell; Spirituality is for those who have already been there."
A charm on my arm to disarm all the harm; "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order."
Which is to say, everything happens for a reason, we just don't know. At least in hindsight.
Follow synchronicities, example from Waking Life "Ever think of a song you haven't heard of in years, and suddenly it starts playing on the car radio?" I find this to be a very helpful guide to tell me I'm on the right path. I also notice my lucid dreams go dark as hell and my subconscious tends to tell me all the ugly truths I need to hear (and probably some so bad I could live without remembering) in my dreams. Study Carl Jung, Freud is very limited in these regards. Jungian psychology has done me a lot of good, check out his concept of Individuation.
Clearly you have a big heart, you've just gotta learn how to live with it, same as me.
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Most grow out of BPD. The most promising treatment is working DBT.
OP, be honest with your docs or don't use em at all.. these people are in charge of your overall well-being. It would be wise to present an authentic case for them to treat.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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birdeatingspider said: Most grow out of BPD. The most promising treatment is working DBT.
OP, be honest with your docs or don't use em at all.. these people are in charge of your overall well-being. It would be wise to present an authentic case for them to treat.
When it comes to the whole "Are you suicidal or homicidal" thing they always ask; I find saying things like "I don't want to die, I just want to live another way, happier and healthier. But, sometimes my mind goes to dark places and it is terrifying, despite my general lack of fear in everything else."
It allows you to admit your problem exists without them being legally obligated to throw you on a 72-hour hold (or worse, given a psych history) and they will often try to work with you to resolve the issue, rather than take it so seriously they just over-medicate you. Again, this is based on my own experiences and it is totally possible yours would be the opposite, just offering incentive of things that have worked for me when dealing with "the system".
Most grow out of BPD. Got a source on that?
I agree DBT looks promising, more-so than CBT which was the standard when I first started getting treated.
I can tell this is a good person... just a person who knows real suffering as I do. Don't give up, those of us who can withstand the pain grow to gain wisdom few others ever achieve, and while it may not seem like it a lot of the time, we can do a lot of good as well. That and, if you learn to cope and get back on a happy track, you'll be happy to forget ever making this thread, and the desperation that led you to do it. It can and will pass.
Also, the reason you never killed yourself is because you are intelligent enough to know this already at a subconscious level. Doesn't hurt to get an occasional reminder, though. Sometimes the tune of your own voice in your head will drown out all the others, and "normies" telling you how to act, how to feel is quite an exercise in futility.
You will be you, VERY you. But that's cool, man.. Roll with it, and not down-hill.
You can PM me whenever you want. Always there for someone who has had to go through similar things to what I have; understanding it is... not for the normies. I only advise you admit to being suicidal or homidical if you have an actual plan set in place and are willing to make a sacrifice to prevent yourself from making that mistake. I have had to lock myself up before, for fear of what I'd do, more than once. You're not alone.
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Re: Is anyone here an herbalist or knows about naturaly remedies from getting off of psych meds? [Re: plurfekt]
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bpd is lifelong, but the symptoms generally decrease in intensity as one ages. This is also the case, i believe, for other disorders, like anti-social.
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